Originally posted by Darth Martin
Bruce Lee comes from an age where there aren't any tricks or wires. I'm convinced he was a better athlete and had a far more intense training regime. That's why he died.Are we talking competition fighting or streetfight? I'm convinced Lee would win both. Tony Jaa is a more worthy opponent for Lee. Jaa is a better athlete than either.
Li doesn't use wire-fu in all his movies and Bruce Lee's movies are just that, movies. You don't really think he kicked everyone's ass on the island, now.
What convinces you of this? Surely not Bruce Lee's fight record. Jaa is also another actor and his stunts are as staged as Lee's or Li's.
Originally posted by RobtardWhat island? He's faster than Li from what I've seen and as far as I'm concerned stronger as well. Like I said, I b
Li doesn't use wire-fu in all his movies and Bruce Lee's movies are just that, movies. You don't really think he kicked everyone's ass on the island, now.What convinces you of this? Surely not Bruce Lee's fight record. Jaa is also another actor and his stunts are as staged as Lee's or Li's.
Tony Jaa is clearly the better athlete. I've yet to see Li or Lee do some of the things I've seen Jaa do in his films.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Our way is our way, the other way is their way, neither is the correct way, you know.
No, you're objectively being silly about it.
You're ignoring what's right about what I'm saying because it's me saying it. Now that the thread is flooded with more people agreeing, you're backpedalling.
-AC
I don't see a problem with RJ's scenario. He removed flight to see how good they matchup in H2H combat. Whats hard to understand about that?
This sort of topic pretty much fills the Comics Vs.
Its comparable to a Wolverine vs Capt America topic where Wolvie can't use his claws in a H2H combat topic. Would you go cry gimping on that one? I don't think so...
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Again with the Matrix threads.When is Impediment going to reinstate the rules of no Matrix characters?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Impediment agreed with me multiple times, he mods the forum.If he agrees with the fact that these drawn out, hyperbolic, gimpy-spite threads are pointless, then he should outlaw them.
-AC
To be brutally honest with you AC, I agree with you that Matrix characters, at least, especially, Neo, are, essentially, a waste of thread space since Neo is, as you put it, God whilst in the Matrix.
However, if I outlawed Matrix fights, then I'd have to outlaw the next character(s) that people shared the same views upon as you and I do about Neo and his entourage.
My opinion? Just let everyone else debate it out.
Originally posted by Placidity
I don't see a problem with RJ's scenario. He removed flight to see how good they matchup in H2H combat. Whats hard to understand about that?This sort of topic pretty much fills the Comics Vs.
Its comparable to a Wolverine vs Capt America topic where Wolvie can't use his claws in a H2H combat topic. Would you go cry gimping on that one? I don't think so...
Yes, yes I would.
-AC
Originally posted by Darth Martin
What island? He's faster than Li from what I've seen and as far as I'm concerned stronger as well. Like I said, I b
elieve Lee's training regime was superior to Li's. After all, Lee did create a martial art. I will admit I'm not much of a Jet Li fan. I never got into the foreign martial art films.Tony Jaa is clearly the better athlete. I've yet to see Li or Lee do some of the things I've seen Jaa do in his films.
Han's island, from Enter The Dragon. Lee's ass-kicking in that movie was just that, a movie.
Training is awesome, but you're ignoring Li's fight record and multi-championship in Wushu.
Everything you've seen Jaa do is in the movies, right? They're movies, it's all scripted and being a better athlete doesn't mean you're kicking ass in a fight just because of that. Brian Boitano was a better athlete than Tank Abbot, yet he's not kicking Tank's ass, not then; not now.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, yes I would.-AC
Then you are the extreme minority, and you shouldn't expect to get your way.
Oh lets take a look...
The Swordsmen thread... SW Characters not allowed the Force - GIMP!
Imped's Necromorphs vs. The Gladiators topic... Gladiators outnumber them 3:1 - GIMP! If you change it to a great enough ratio, eventually anyone would win right?
Rorschach vs. Agent 47... No weapons allowed? - GIMP! We all know 47 is better with weapons and he would win, but trying to compare H2H ability is apparently a gimp if you try hard enough.
Theres a lot more... just take a look around.
People just cry gimp when it fits them or because the character they think should win in a real unconditional 1v1 is in question.
RJ is just trying to compare H2H ability by removing flight. Its not like Neo has his strength and speed halved or anything like that, now that would be unreasonable and genuine gimping.
Originally posted by RobtardI'm not taking any of those fights where a character pwns a whole group of people into consideration. I'm judging based on experiences, backgrounds, and physical abilitites.
Han's island, from Enter The Dragon. Lee's ass-kicking in that movie was just that, a movie.Training is awesome, but you're ignoring Li's fight record and multi-championship in Wushu.
Everything you've seen Jaa do is in the movies, right? They're movies, it's all scripted and being a better athlete doesn't mean you're kicking ass in a fight just because of that. Brian Boitano was a better athlete than Tank Abbot, yet he's not kicking Tank's ass, not then; not now.
Lee has entered martial arts and boxing tournaments and won. All in all, I don't think Lee was much of a competitive fighter. I myself have studied two martial arts: Okinawa Shorin Ryu Karate and Tae Kwon Do. In Osan, Korea my instructor who was a Grand Master repeatedly tried to convince me to enter various tournaments. I myself was only doing martial arts as a means of self defense, I had no interest in the sport part of it. Lee could have been the same way.
As I said I'm not a big fan of Li. When I saw him take out a dozen or so UFC fighters I lost faith. I know it's a movie but that's why I don't watch.
I wouldn't say Tank Abbot is very skilled. I wouldn't want to get in the ring with him but that's do to size.
Training must be taken into account as well as experience. By being able to do all of those vastly difficult strength manuevers he could hit harder because of it. He demonstrated this all the time at tournaments. Some of which you can find on YouTube.
And about Jaa, he's done things, scripted yes but without wires or stunt doubles, I've yet to see either Lee or Li do before. He's alot more of an acrobat. It seems he combines Muay Thai with his incredible Free Run technique and is able to do incredible feats. That can also be used to propose he has more stamina.
I can't account for Li in his prime because the earliest I've seen him is Lethal Weapon 4.
Originally posted by Placidity
Imped's Necromorphs vs. The Gladiators topic... Gladiators outnumber them 3:1 - GIMP! If you change it to a great enough ratio, eventually anyone would win right?
Actually, 'tis the other way around. I put the Necros against the Gladiators 3:1 since the Infectors are a factor in the fight.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
I'm not taking any of those fights where a character pwns a whole group of people into consideration. I'm judging based on experiences, backgrounds, and physical abilitites.Lee has entered martial arts and boxing tournaments and won. All in all, I don't think Lee was much of a competitive fighter. I myself have studied two martial arts: Okinawa Shorin Ryu Karate and Tae Kwon Do. In Osan, Korea my instructor who was a Grand Master repeatedly tried to convince me to enter various tournaments. I myself was only doing martial arts as a means of self defense, I had no interest in the sport part of it. Lee could have been the same way.
As I said I'm not a big fan of Li. When I saw him take out a dozen or so UFC fighters I lost faith. I know it's a movie but that's why I don't watch.
I wouldn't say Tank Abbot is very skilled. I wouldn't want to get in the ring with him but that's do to size.
Training must be taken into account as well as experience. By being able to do all of those vastly difficult strength manuevers he could hit harder because of it. He demonstrated this all the time at tournaments. Some of which you can find on YouTube.
In that case; when it comes to fighting, Li has far greater experience, as Lee's record is relatively very small and Li is a multi-time champion.
Yes, doing two-finger push-ups and punching boards is awesome, but as Lee said himself in ETD, "boards do not hit back."
As I said above, he may not have been too crazy about competitive martial arts. I don't know since I've never met either.
Two-finger push ups which have allowed him to have incredible punching power. Seriously, the guy has knocked people over by touching them. It's on YouTube somewhere. It wasn't staged or a film, it was at a demonstration.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
As I said above, he may not have been too crazy about competitive martial arts. I don't know since I've never met either.Two-finger push ups which have allowed him to have incredible punching power. Seriously, the guy has knocked people over by touching them. It's on YouTube somewhere. It wasn't staged or a film, it was at a demonstration.
Yes, the two-inch punch, I've seen it many a time and I'm not arguing that Bruce Lee wasn't in incredible physical conditioning.
I am arguing that the other Asian with the extensive fight record could probably beat the guy who pushed people about and did push-ups on his fingers, because of him actually having a fighting record.