YuLaw versus Neo....

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Any videos of Li fighting?

Fighting record or not, Lee is in incredible shape and has extensive knowledge of martial arts. Enough for him to create his own custom form.

LeBron James is hailed as the best basketball player in the world(he isn't) but a average joe beats him in a game HORSE.

Never bothered to look for one. Have no idea.

Li is in incredible shape and is a Wushu champion. Don't think he ever created his own form though.

Okay, but if we put that average Joe and James in a basketball court and said 'have at it', who would you bet on winning?

I doubt Li in his prime was in the shape of Lee. Bruce Lee could do tricks like bulking up his body. I've yet to hear about or see Li doing things like two-hand pushups and such.

Of course LeBron would beat the average joe in one on one. The average joe had his number in HORSE which takes real skill.

Lee might not have been as much of a professional competitive martial artist. Doesn't mean he isn't one of the greatest fighters to walk the earth. There are plenty of people who are top tier martial artist who do it for reasons other than tournaments. Should we consider a tournament fighter better? Lee has even been challenged by people on the street and "methodically took" them "apart". Various individuals have claimed he is fake and gotten there asses kicked by Lee.

Much of what you're saying about Lee is all hearsay and hype built upon legends that grew over time. It's silly, so stop it.

Granted, Lee might have really been the best ever; from a logical standpoint, I'm going with the fighter with the record.

It's the reason why Ali would have kicked Lee's ass.

Originally posted by Robtard
Much of what you're saying about Lee is all hearsay and hype built upon legends that grew over time. It's silly, so stop it.

Granted, Lee might have really been the best ever; from a logical standpoint, I'm going with the fighter with the record.

It's the reason why Ali would have kicked Lee's ass.

I'm not so sure about Ali kicking Lee's ass. Two totally different martial artists. It's a much more complex debate than our current one. We'd have to factor in height, weight, enviorment, clothing, etc.

Hey guys, how is this related lol?

Originally posted by Placidity
Hey guys, how is this related lol?

It's not at all. Neo already won the thread, even gimped Neo.

Originally posted by Placidity
Hey guys, how is this related lol?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It really wasn't, but it's demeaning to have to explain how the Matrix works to a 26 year old.

Save everyone the time and don't demean yourself with your false and ignorant ideas of how the Matrix works, then.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not painting you as anything, you do that for me.

Yeah, except, no.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
When you choose to present any point in a madly immature, stupid and troll-based demeanour, you don't deserve to have them taken seriously, even if they are.

-AC

So this is how someone side steps being pwned?

I just read the rest of the thread.

Neo is NOT a god or THE god of the Matrix. Not even close.

Here's his abilities:

1. Amped durability beyond the human subroutine.

2. Can fly, but other than that, we don't see him manipulate gravity except for bullets.

3. Can stop bullets. Other than that, he shows no other signs of TK, other than flying. (3 and 2 and very similar...but not the same. They deserve their own bullet points.)

4. Neo shocked Trinity back alive by shocking her heart. It's the one and only time we see him do that. It may be the only time he can do that, since it was Trinity. Don't you guys think Neo would have saved a lot more lives if he could do that on a whim?

5. Neo has a form of precognition...but it's not really precognition at all. It's just reacting extremely fast to things around him and...

6. Uber senses while in the Matrix.

7. Hugely amped strength while in the matrix, but the strength amp isn't huge.

What everyone fails to realize is Neo is not manipulating the Matrix as he sees fit, like Morpheus said The One could do, he is manipulating the Matrix EXACTLY how he was programmed to be allowed to do by the Architect and the Oracle. 😐

That's right: what Neo does is part of the fuggin' program. 😐

Hell, what the hackers do in the Matrix by altering it (adding guns, and other hacks) are more Godlike than what Neo does. If Neo was the god of the Matrix, then he could change reality completely, as he saw fit. He wouldn't be destructable (we see him take damage, even after becoming The One.), and his strength would be immeasurable instead of limited, as we see. In fact, he wouldn't have need for physical strength, really.

When people claim that Neo is a God in the Matrix and he can do whatever he wants, that is to miss the point of The One. The One never was a God of the Matrix. It is just a probability, fully calculated and implemented by the Architect and the Oracle. To assume other wise is to miss the point of The One.

I think the counter-argument was yea he "could have, but then there wouldn't be a movie".

That is just so beyond logic I don't even know how to respond to that.

I know, right? haermm

RJ, you were the guy in school that stood behind the guys who had something to say and just agreed with them out loud, weren't you? Like the tiny mob boss henchman; "Yeah bawss".

I've never actually seen you provide any lengthy debate, only chime in and ride the coattails of other peoples' opinions.

Sad, but I suppose that if you can't handle me the next best thing is to hope someone can. I may create a thread specifically to get your opinion.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I just read the rest of the thread.

Neo is NOT a god or THE god of the Matrix. Not even close.

Here's his abilities:

1. Amped durability beyond the human subroutine.

2. Can fly, but other than that, we don't see him manipulate gravity except for bullets.

3. Can stop bullets. Other than that, he shows no other signs of TK, other than flying. (3 and 2 and very similar...but not the same. They deserve their own bullet points.)

4. Neo shocked Trinity back alive by shocking her heart. It's the one and only time we see him do that. It may be the only time he can do that, since it was Trinity. Don't you guys think Neo would have saved a lot more lives if he could do that on a whim?

5. Neo has a form of precognition...but it's not really precognition at all. It's just reacting extremely fast to things around him and...

6. Uber senses while in the Matrix.

7. Hugely amped strength while in the matrix, but the strength amp isn't huge.

What everyone fails to realize is Neo is not manipulating the Matrix as he sees fit, like Morpheus said The One could do, he is manipulating the Matrix EXACTLY how he was programmed to be allowed to do by the Architect and the Oracle. 😐

That's right: what Neo does is part of the fuggin' program. 😐

Hell, what the hackers do in the Matrix by altering it (adding guns, and other hacks) are more Godlike than what Neo does. If Neo was the god of the Matrix, then he could change reality completely, as he saw fit. He wouldn't be destructable (we see him take damage, even after becoming The One.), and his strength would be immeasurable instead of limited, as we see. In fact, he wouldn't have need for physical strength, really.

When people claim that Neo is a God in the Matrix and he can do whatever he wants, that is to miss the point of The One. The One never was a God of the Matrix. It is just a probability, fully calculated and implemented by the Architect and the Oracle. To assume other wise is to miss the point of The One.

Flaw: I never said he was a literal, actual God. I said "pretty much". Never said he was unkillable, indestructible etc. I expected you'd overlook that.

As for the agents argument, it's not beyond logic, is it? It is, in fact, the most logical point. Look at any movie; the enemy could often be easily beaten, but that'd mean the movie would be less exciting.

Neo is clearly way more advanced than even the upgraded agents, he doesn't need to be God, because he's beyond them anyway. He knew how to eradicate even the most powerful form of Smith because he was that powerful over the Matrix.

He could have eradicated them all beforehand if he wished, but then why would we be watching?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Flaw: I never said he was a literal, actual God. I said "pretty much". Never said he was unkillable, indestructible etc. I expected you'd overlook that.

Flaw in calling my argument a flaw. "Virtually", "for all intents and purposes", and "basically" mean much more of a God than not. I cannot argue against him being a 99% God or a 0% God. He is most certainly not 99% God, and that is "basically" a God. That's the end of that dodge. Nice try, though.

Reality: He isn't anywhere near being a god of the Matrix.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
As for the agents argument, it's not beyond logic, is it? It is, in fact, the most logical point. Look at any movie; the enemy could often be easily beaten, but that'd mean the movie would be less exciting.

Neo is clearly way more advanced than even the upgraded agents, he doesn't need to be God, because he's beyond them anyway. He knew how to eradicate even the most powerful form of Smith because he was that powerful over the Matrix.

That's a pitiful argument. If he really could have eradicated them, then he would have. Instead, we have many different parts of the film, proving that he isn't even close to God of the Matrix, and dialogue that also indicates he is "all part of the plan."

Also, he defeated Smith NOT because he was "that much more powerful over the Matrix" but because he was smart. 😐 He outsmarted Smith. 😐

Did you pay attention to the meeting with the Architect and Neo? The architect clearly indicates that Neo is smarter than the other The Ones.

So, no, he couldn't if he wanted to.

Did you ever stop to think that The One was designed to be more powerful than the agents? You know, the ones designed to hunt and kill Red Pills and kill them with ease? Don't you think The One serves a purpose other than just being better than agents? You think that's air you're breathing? Hmm?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
He could have eradicated them all beforehand if he wished, but then why would we be watching?

-AC

Here's a fact for you: no couldn't. 😐

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
RJ, you were the guy in school that stood behind the guys who had something to say and just agreed with them out loud, weren't you? Like the tiny mob boss henchman; "Yeah bawss".

I've never actually seen you provide any lengthy debate, only chime in and ride the coattails of other peoples' opinions.

Sad, but I suppose that if you can't handle me the next best thing is to hope someone can. I may create a thread specifically to get your opinion.

-AC

On the contrary, I was a bit of a loner, small groups of friends here and there, but when it came down to it I rolled solo. Nice fail, though.

Handle you? Nothing really to handle, just an arrogant windbag so full of himself he says his own name when he masturbates.

You sign on here, you talk shit, talk down on others, ***** and moan like a little girl, but God forbid they say anything back to you, right? I mean the whole world revolves around you and your Texas sized ego, doesn't it? And now that DDM is handing you your ass on a silver platter, you are lashing out at anyone and everyone trying to prove your worth.

Alpha Centauri = BUNCHA HOT AIR.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Here's a fact for you: no couldn't. 😐

Wrong, sir. He was only limited to what he believed himself capable of.

The Prophecy was a source of code ensuring that the Matrix cycle of destruction and rebuilding ensues, generation after generation after generation. The very fact that Neo went against it (the programming) and didn't enter the 'source door' like the other five before him proves he is beyond the limits of the code originally set on him.

The Architext explained this nonsense in the second film and Neo went against his prochecy(program), ergo changing what should have been unchangeable to him.

Even if Mon was handing me my ass, Peter, he'd still be doing a damn sight more than you were EVER capable of.

So I don't hold it against you for cheering for him. Funny, though. Lashing out at EVERYONE? Like who? I have no issues with Placidity or Mon himself, even if I find the latter to be immature. At least he can form lengthy replies and arguments. You are just a complete leech, and it's sad. You sit there just cheering folks on, and when you're proven wrong, you just try to ignore it. You have no opinion that can allow you to hang with those superior to you, so you just ask people for theirs and agree or disagree. It must be horrible, but it's not my fault. Maybe if you spent more time trying to become that which you wished you were, you'd be closer.

You're a fool, and I am beyond you. To the point that I don't even dislike you anymore, I pity you. I look at you with the opinion that I wish I could help you, but there is no helping you. You're a lost cause trying to recapture youth by acting like a child.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Flaw in calling my argument a flaw. "Virtually", "for all intents and purposes", and "basically" mean much more of a God than not. I cannot argue against him being a 99% God or a 0% God. He is most certainly not 99% God, and that is "basically" a God. That's the end of that dodge. Nice try, though.

I never called him a God, that's the only counter I need give.

Originally posted by dadudemon
He isn't anywhere near being a god of the Matrix.

God-LIKE, hence my comment.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's a pitiful argument. If he really could have eradicated them, then he would have. Instead, we have many different parts of the film, proving that he isn't even close to God of the Matrix, and dialogue that also indicates he is "all part of the plan."

Also, he defeated Smith NOT because he was "that much more powerful over the Matrix" but because he was smart. 😐 He outsmarted Smith. 😐

Did you pay attention to the meeting with the Architect and Neo? The architect clearly indicates that Neo is smarter than the other The Ones.

So, no, he couldn't if he wanted to.

Did you ever stop to think that The One was designed to be more powerful than the agents? You know, the ones designed to hunt and kill Red Pills and kill them with ease? Don't you think The One serves a purpose other than just being better than agents? You think that's air you're breathing? Hmm?

Here's a fact for you: no couldn't. 😐

He could have, though. That's the point.

He saved Trinity's life by resurrecting the dead, he proved he could do it, so why are we assuming he couldn't do it to anyone else? Your logic says "Because he didn't.". Who else could he have saved that was worth saving in the grand scheme of things, AT that time or after? He DID do it, we've seen him do it. It's illogical to say "But he didn't do it more.", and have that as your basis.

As Rob said, he was given a choice. If he wasn't anything more than another part of the prophecy or the program, he'd have reinserted it and restarted the cycle. Did he? No. He went above the two programs that can claim to be more powerful and CHANGED it all. It's Neo's doing that caused everything to change, he resurrected reality in a way. He did so by breaking apart everything those "above him" claimed to be doing. He then not only handled the cataclysmic consequences of going against the system, but overcame them and saved everyone by doing so.

So yes, he was definitely above and beyond the single role you claim he was limited to.

He was not meant to do what he did, but he did. So your whole "limited to the prophecy" argument is nonsense. There was no prophecy, there was programming, which he was above and beyond. He was beyond his creators.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Even if Mon was handing me my ass, Peter, he'd still be doing a damn sight more than you were EVER capable of.

So I don't hold it against you for cheering for him. Funny, though. Lashing out at EVERYONE? Like who? I have no issues with Placidity or Mon himself, even if I find the latter to be immature. At least he can form lengthy replies and arguments. You are just a complete leech, and it's sad. You sit there just cheering folks on, and when you're proven wrong, you just try to ignore it. You have no opinion that can allow you to hang with those superior to you, so you just ask people for theirs and agree or disagree. It must be horrible, but it's not my fault. Maybe if you spent more time trying to become that which you wished you were, you'd be closer.

You're a fool, and I am beyond you. To the point that I don't even dislike you anymore, I pity you. I look at you with the opinion that I wish I could help you, but there is no helping you. You're a lost cause trying to recapture youth by acting like a child.

-AC

Tell you what, I'll go back to the way you like it:

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Happy, Pappy? 😄

I'll do what I do, and you, well, you do what you do:

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Proof if it were ever needed.

The only way you can successfully post against me is if I give you reason to act like this. Do you have nothing better to do? Post maturely or don't post, or go have fun with your girlf...ohh.

Awk-warrrd.

-AC

Not the least bit akward for me, she's out shopping. ✅

Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong, sir. He was only limited to what he believed himself capable of.

Wrong, sir. He was limited by what The One programming allowed him to do.

Originally posted by Robtard
The Prophecy was a

Another form of control.

Originally posted by Robtard
source of code ensuring that the Matrix cycle of destruction and rebuilding ensues, generation after generation after generation. The very fact that Neo went against it (the programming) and didn't enter the 'source door' like the other five before him proves he is beyond the limits of the code originally set on him.

No. All it means is Neo was more arrogant and selfish than the others, thinking he could save the red pills AND save Trinity. Which both are true.

Neo was also smarter than the previous The Ones, as the architect indirectly indicated.

Originally posted by Robtard
The Architext explained this nonsense in the second film and Neo went against his prochecy(program), ergo changing what should have been unchangeable to him.

No. The previos The Ones didn't have a deep connection to humanity via one individual, like Neo did. That was the difference. The previous ones were connected to humanity in a more general way. That was explained by the Architect.

Neo didn't go against the programming at all. He just didn't fullfil his job as The One because of his selfishness and arrogance. It just so happens that it worked out in the end. It was a huge risk and Neo could have effed everything up.