Thor/Beta ray bill/Orion vs Surfer/Star dust/Superman

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Someone seem to have poured all their stat points in dodging. Thor isn't as fast as Superman. He's just more than fast enough to keep up with him.

You're welcome to believe that. I don't think he is, because of not only the speed but the precision and skill Superman adds to that speed.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Don't get upset because Superman's sole argument on this forum for keeping up with heralds is "ZOMFG SPEED" where as the rest seem to have a multitude of different ways to approach a fight.

lol Superman has more than enough in his locker to keep up with these heralds. He has a natural autoshield, and if we're free to use every power in continuity like you seem to do with Thor, he has Torquasm Rao which will prevent any soul draining.

Originally posted by Allankles
You're welcome to believe that. I don't think he is, because of not only the speed but the precision and skill Superman adds to that speed.

lol Superman has more than enough in his locker to keep up with these heralds. He has a natural autoshield, and if we're free to use every power in continuity like you seem to do with Thor, he has Torquasm Rao which will prevent any soul draining.

He doesnt have torquasm anymore 😕

Originally posted by carver9
He doesnt have torquasm anymore 😕

Torquasm Vo might be retconned, but I don't know about Torquasm Rao. Rao was more like deep meditative exercises that tethered the soul to the cosmos or was the whole scientific discipline of the ancient Kryptonians, with Vo being just one part of Rao.

Originally posted by Allankles
Torquasm Vao might be retconned, but I don't know about Torquasm Rao. Rao was more like deep meditative exercises that tethered the soul to the cosmos.

He doesnt have it and was kris said was true, the only thing that makes him even a threat towards any high herald is his speed, without it he wouldnt even last 3 panels against them.

What Kris said was far fetched. Doesn't fall under CIS even, Rao is just as valid truth be told, like the Phantom Zone projector or esoteric powers to be called upon at the insistence of the plot.

Originally posted by Allankles
What Kris said was far fetched. Doesn't fall under CIS even, Rao is just as valid truth be told, like the Phantom Zone projector or esoteric powers to be called upon at the insistence of the plot.

Kris made a good point, without speed supes along with wonder woman, etc...
wouldnt last 2 to 3 panels against someone like thor, surfer, brb, etc...
and Supes no longer possess that power so why're you still bringing it
up. When was the last time he actually even used it?

Originally posted by carver9
the only thing that makes him even a threat towards any high herald is his speed

Originally posted by kgkg

cant pull it up, at work. What is it?

Kris was far fetched. He brought up Thor's high end feats and ignored Superman's. Two, Thor's defense is far from impregnable. Further Superman has his own energy attacks.

Just not a balanced analysis at all. I mean, no one brings up Superman's absorption feats, like the Mageddon war head or his ability to get stronger with electricity absorption, because whatever kind of debate we're having would lose focus, and it's better to argue averages.

Lastly, Rao is just as valid seeing as it's not a direct combat power but a body of mental and physical disciplines. I only brought it up to balance out the over-the-top non CIS argument.

Originally posted by Allankles
Kris was far fetched. He brought up Thor's high end feats and ignored Superman's. Two, Thor's defense is far from impregnable. Further Superman has his own energy attacks.

Just not a balanced analysis at all. I mean, no one brings up Superman's absorption feats, like the Mageddon war head or his ability to get stronger with electricity absorption, because whatever kind of debate we're having would lose focus, and it's better to argue averages.

Lastly, Rao is just as valid seeing as it's not a direct combat power but a body of mental and physical disciplines. I only brought it up to balance out the over-the-top non CIS argument.

No one is arguing that superman is weak because he is very powerful BUT
if you compare his power toooooooooooooo, lets say, surfer, thor, and beta ray
bill, he falls far behind. The three of them is equal to him physically,
BUT they're much more powerful than him. The only thing that gives superman
a saving grace, basically HOPE against them is his speed. Without his speed
each of them could basically just one shot him every damn time. Heat vision
wont work on any high herald, ice breath sure as hell aint working against
the 3 on this list so superman only option is to fight it out and without
the small speed edge that he has he would get CRUSHED by the high heralds
list above in this post.

I say team 2.

Team 1 is deffinitively more powerful, on paper.

But team 2 have more possibilities: Orion can be bfr, Stardust is un killable, and even if team 1 is fast, team 2 is helluva more faster. And Surfer or Stardust can amp Superman really fast too.

Originally posted by carver9
Heat vision
wont work on any high herald,

Heat vision won't work but some ambigous energy or magical blast will? You don't get it, he has abilities in every category, he just doesn't have the versatility; soul powers, transmutation etc. abilities that are not useful against their peers and other powerful beings for the most part.

And no one here is one shotting Superman, he's tanked several blasts from magical skyfathers and beat on a few himself.

And if we're listing abilities superman already has an energy shield around his body that might be breached by Thor's and BRB's lightning but he's taken such attacks for years and he's not going to make himself an easy target.

For most scenarios Supes has the beatings of both.

Thor vs Surfer - 6/10
Thor vs Stardust 6/10
Thor vs Superman 5/10

BRB vs Surfer - 4/10
BRB vs Stardust - 5/10
BRB vs Superman - 4/10

Orion vs Surfer - 4/10
Orion vs Stardust 5/10
Orion vs Superman 4/10

i think it more like this

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Orion can be bfr,

Originally posted by Allankles
Heat vision won't work but some ambigous energy or magical blast will? You don't get it, he has abilities in every category, he just doesn't have the versatility; soul powers, transmutation etc. abilities that are not useful against their peers and other powerful beings for the most part.

And no one here is one shotting Superman, he's tanked several blasts from magical skyfathers and beat on a few himself.

And if we're listing abilities superman already has an energy shield around his body that might be breached by Thor's and BRB's lightning but he's taken such attacks for years and he's not going to make himself an easy target.

For most scenarios Supes has the beatings of both.

So you honestly think that supes could withstand the attacks that Beta ray
bill was dishing out on stardust? I think it would kill him, hell I think
he would be koed by the attacks that beta ray bill put on the fernus wolf.

I agree also with the statement that supes has an energy shield around him
but so does hyperion and hyperion shields allowed him to withstand an
exploding sun but he still fell to thors hammer and commented on the blunt
of impact that it possess. Glads survived a solar system destroying blast
without even feeling it and swam in stars but he also comment on thors hammer
and overrall power, supes would get dropped if thor wanted to. This is if
supes doesnt rely on his speed.

I'm pretty sure if sufer hit supes with some of the attacks he hit unilord with
it would ko him. I'm pretty sure if thor hit supes with the god blast it
would either ko him or kill him. Im pretty sure if brb hit supes with the attack
that he hit stardust with that destroyed a planet, it would ko supes. Each
of them have ways of one shotting supes.

Originally posted by Allankles
What Kris said was far fetched. Doesn't fall under CIS even, Rao is just as valid truth be told, like the Phantom Zone projector or esoteric powers to be called upon at the insistence of the plot.

You're bringing up retconned shit. Talk about far fetching.

I'd like to know how energy absorption would fall under plot power, considering that Thor uses it every other god damned issue.

thor/beta ray vs superman should be a battlezone fight.

Good luck finding people who want to dig up that many scans,anyways whats stopping thor from anti-force blasting supes and don't bring in the he hardly uses it crap he uses it all the time.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
thor/beta ray vs superman should be a battlezone fight.

And it will be.

Only I'll be representing Loki in his shitstomp against Superman.

kewl