Originally posted by psycho gundamFair enough, but even that's only considering a straight up fight.
^ don't forget webbing, something batman doesn't have much experience combating. add to the fact spider-man's overwhelming strength behind that webbing to reel him in if caught.
Originally posted by JuntaiI think we are debating the characters, but removing the flaws and limitations that the plot often has and bringing them into a "realistic" setting. Of course all of these characters hang and whatnot with more dangerous adversaries, but that's what they do. (Humans have done some awesome strength feats). I just feel that a suspension of disbelief has to be maintained when reading a comic, and I have no problem with characters standing up to things they shouldn't in a book,I just choose to remove it in the forum. My suspension of disbelief is gone and I'm judging everything. On the forum some characters like Magic users and speedsters and GL's get amped (also Silver Surfer), beyond what they would ever do in a comic, but that's kind of the point in the first place though.
That's not off topic at all, and I clearly understand, however, the comics are what we're supposed to debate, and even adding in a logic factor, there's a mountain of evidence that Batman would in fact give him a fight. Parker's vast physical edges and spider-sense, mean he should win a CQC fight more often than not though, against a character like Batman, I can also agree to. But you also have to remember that Batman [and even Robin] can kick trees in half, Batman has dented tempered steel with strikes or punched holes in concrete. His martial training and combat tactics are far beyond Peter's. As he's written, nearly every move he makes it stategized to create optimum effectiveness, even 6 moves later. To suggest he's not going to give Spiderman a fight, is also vastly underrating not only his character, but his known abilities, just because 'he's human'.
Yes, Batman is strategic, but Spider-man is as well in his own way, as they both have been fighting for years and MA skill doesn't 100% equate into total ability overall, a character is more than just that. Also Spider-sense gives him an edge, especially in a random fight.
Already discussed what happens here though.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterI can respect that.
I think we are debating the characters, but removing the flaws and limitations that the plot often has and bringing them into a "realistic" setting. Of course all of these characters hang and whatnot with more dangerous adversaries, but that's what they do. (Humans have done some awesome strength feats). I just feel that a suspension of disbelief has to be maintained when reading a comic, and I have no problem with characters standing up to things they shouldn't in a book,I just choose to remove it in the forum. My suspension of disbelief is gone and I'm judging everything. On the forum some characters like Magic users and speedsters and GL's get amped (also Silver Surfer), beyond what they would ever do in a comic, but that's kind of the point in the first place though.Yes, Batman is strategic, but Spider-man is as well in his own way, as they both have been fighting for years and MA skill doesn't 100% equate into total ability overall, a character is more than just that. Also Spider-sense gives him an edge, especially in a random fight.
Already discussed what happens here though.
not pissed off, just focused on kicking someone's ass without joking around.
but knowing batman, he'd devote his prep trying to figure out how to exploit spider-man's spider-sense. probably try to make it go haywire and confuse him from all angles simultaneously so he could slip in and go for the ko.
Originally posted by JuntaiI like discussing a lot more than "pwningd;oi23oq2j!!!!" people nowadays, take care.
I can respect that.
It's been fun going back and forth with you, both about the characters and the viewpoints, but I gotta run for a little while.
Peace out bro.
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Phantom, are you talking about the time when Spiderman was Blind and attacked DD out of rage of his blindness?
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterPhantom, are you talking about the time when Spiderman was Blind and attacked DD out of rage of his blindness?
Nah black suit Spiderman. Spiderman wasnt blind at all in fact the suit might have made him stronger.
P.S. By the way I think a full potential Spiderman would beat 90 percent of street levelers.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I think he was blind, I'll have to look it up.
Dont think so.
http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=14ov.jpg
http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=23rm.jpg
http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=36sa.jpg
http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=49ir.jpg
*sigh* I just checked the scans dont work on my computer.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Suit doesn't increase anything on contrary to popular belief.
Yeah thats why I said might.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Full potential was in the thread title, that's a pretty nasty Spiderman.
Yeah I know.
Originally posted by Juntai
That's not off topic at all, and I clearly understand, however, the comics are what we're supposed to debate, and even adding in a logic factor, there's a mountain of evidence that Batman would in fact give him a fight. Parker's vast physical edges and spider-sense, mean he should win a CQC fight more often than not though, against a character like Batman, I can also agree to. But you also have to remember that Batman [and even Robin] can kick trees in half, Batman has dented tempered steel with strikes or punched holes in concrete....
Do you really think someone with that level of strength- denting steel or splitting a tree- is a threat to parker? Pissed off, Parker is capable of throwing trains at batman.
Hell, parker is perfectly capable of knocking out Batman with
one finger.
note that paladin is enhanced human: strength level of about a ton and he's struggling there.
Look at parker's rogues gallery. Venom, The Goblins, The lizard, Doc Octopus, The Scorpion (classic), Rhino, Sandman, Carnage, Tombstone....any one of these would tear batman to SHREDS in H2H Combat.
And those feats you listed are batman's VERY top end. Parker routinely holds back because his "top end" would easily kill someone with batman's stats. He can throw out hits to match batman's peak all day, every day without breaking a sweat.
His martial training and combat tactics are far beyond Peter's. As he's written, nearly every move he makes it stategized to create optimum effectiveness, even 6 moves later. To suggest he's not going to give Spiderman a fight, is also vastly underrating not only his character, but his known abilities, just because 'he's human'. [/B]
and this is why expert martial artists like Daredevil, Wolverine, and Captain America effortlessly own spiderman every time they fight. Oh, I'm sorry, they don't. Daredevil gets his ass kicked constantly by parker, and Cap and Wolverine have enhanced stats beyond peak human and still REALLY have to work for it- and again, parker doesn't fight anywhere NEAR his peak against these two.
At some point, you have to admit that "human", even "peak human" is a liability and a limitation when fighting opponents who can throw sedans like baseballs.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
Do you really think someone with that level of strength- denting steel or splitting a tree- is a threat to parker? Pissed off, Parker is capable of [b]throwing trains at batman.Hell, parker is perfectly capable of knocking out Batman with
one finger.note that paladin is enhanced human: strength level of about a ton and he's struggling there.
Look at parker's rogues gallery. Venom, The Goblins, The lizard, Doc Octopus, The Scorpion (classic), Rhino, Sandman, Carnage, Tombstone....any one of these would tear batman to SHREDS in H2H Combat.
And those feats you listed are batman's VERY top end. Parker routinely holds back because his "top end" would easily kill someone with batman's stats. He can throw out hits to match batman's peak all day, every day without breaking a sweat.
and this is why expert martial artists like Daredevil, Wolverine, and Captain America effortlessly own spiderman every time they fight. Oh, I'm sorry, they don't. Daredevil gets his ass kicked constantly by parker, and Cap and Wolverine have enhanced stats beyond peak human and still REALLY have to work for it- and again, parker doesn't fight anywhere NEAR his peak against these two.
At some point, you have to admit that "human", even "peak human" is a liability and a limitation when fighting opponents who can throw sedans like baseballs. [/B]
Theres alot of faulty logic in that post. Too tired to reply.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
hmm....... i really have an issue with your last statement with cap yes. spidey holds back..w/logan he has actually given everything he had in speed and strength and still came up short.
Spiderman isn't going to go all out and attempt to kill logan, no matter how mad he is.
but that aside, again- logan has enhanced human stats, a healing factor, and an indestructible skeleton on TOP of insanely high level MA skills.
There's a very good argument he CAN take parker's best and go toe to toe with him.
Theres alot of faulty logic in that post. Too tired to reply.
which logic? The logic that says parker is easily strong enough to kill or permanently disable a human with one hit? because that's true.
The logic that says parker routinely fights and defeats opponents in H2H that dish out and take levels of damage that batman doesn't have a prayer of replicating? because that's true too.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
which logic? The logic that says parker is easily strong enough to kill or permanently disable a human with one hit? because that's true.The logic that says parker routinely fights and defeats opponents in H2H that dish out and take levels of damage that batman doesn't have a prayer of replicating? because that's true too.
The logic that shows what you're saying disagrees with Batman's optimum on-panel showings.
SM withan injured arm can accomplish this. KO a normal guy by tapping the guy in the forehead :
http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/ankur2113/Spider-Man588010.jpg
SM has to roll with the opunch of a superstrong guy to avoid breaking the guys wrists:
Originally posted by ankur29spidey takes a punch from hyde created spiderman copy , he rolls with the punch to avoid breaking the guys wrist , i take it he does that for anyone with strength less than this guy and don't know how to throw a proper punch ... explains jonah punching him :
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Originally posted by ankur29
SM withan injured arm can accomplish this. KO a normal guy by tapping the guy in the forehead :http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/ankur2113/Spider-Man588010.jpg
Batman could never do something like that...
http://img104.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc129&image=afd_batouch2.jpg#
Originally posted by ankur29That was the same arc where the guy punches him and he goes "The reason I turned my head was so you wouldn't break your hand punching my jaw..."
SM withan injured arm can accomplish this. KO a normal guy by tapping the guy in the forehead :http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/ankur2113/Spider-Man588010.jpg
SM has to roll with the opunch of a superstrong guy to avoid breaking the guys wrists:
Classic, badass.
There are ways for humans to use precision to ko people rather easily, will someone tell me the honest context of that scan however.
Originally posted by grimify
Batman could never do something like that...http://img104.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc129&image=afd_batouch2.jpg#
Looks like the guy jobbed and fainted to me. 😮
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Nah black suit Spiderman. Spiderman wasnt blind at all in fact the suit might have made him stronger.P.S. By the way I think a full potential Spiderman would beat 90 percent of street levelers.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS???
The symbiote never enhanced Spiderman's abilities in the comic book-EVER!! Please don't use his period with the symbiote to say Pete had a high saying "b'cos he had the symbiote then"
