Originally posted by Scoobless
The police turn up:Police: Oh my god.... why did you kill Batman?
Spider-Man: I didn't mean to.... I thought the guy had like... super powers or something
Police: What?... you mean he didn't? what happened?
Spider-Man: He just jumped out of the shadows throwing sh!t at me with no warning.
Police: So what did you do?
Spider-Man: I made fun of his suit and stuff ... you know... called him a gimp, teased him about his "boy wonder"
Police: Then what happened?
Spider-Man: He tried to kick me in the head, so I smacked him and ... well.... his head kinda.... exploded
Police: Damn!
Spider-Man: tell me about it... I'm gonna be cleaning chunks of brain out of my costume for weeks
Police: Ah well... if he was just gonna keep attacking people, this was bound to happen sooner or later.
Spider-Man: This kind of thing never happens to DareDevil...
Originally posted by Juk3n
Well i don't have one now. Thats it for me. Can't argue with stone cold facts like "Batman can do some of the stuff Captain America can do so..."Like i said, the answer is staring us all dead in the face. Batman </>/= Captain America. So Batman > Spider-man.
Cool!
Yeah man it sounds like you're trying to be a dick. Anyway im not saying he can defintely beat Spiderman in a fight im just saying he can. I actually think Cap is superior to Bats but I cant be arsed to get scans to prove it. Hell im pretty sure you've read Cap and Bats comics.
If his fight were to KMC standards it should read much like an issue of any Authority comic. The Superhuman punches the human and the humans organs turn to mush. His brain and eyeballs pop out the other side of his face and splatter over the sidewalk.
Don't get me wrong, Batman is one of my favourites. He's a character who wins fights because he cheats, he's smart, he's prepared. He wins fights just by having an awesome status.
But if we are to look at it fairly and objectively, by KMC standards, just comparing the two in terms of stats, Spider-man easily outclasses Batman ✅ He's just physically superior in every way.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah man it sounds like you're trying to be a dick. Anyway im not saying he can defintely beat Spiderman in a fight im just saying he can. I actually think Cap is superior to Bats but I cant be arsed to get scans to prove it. Hell im pretty sure you've read Cap and Bats comics.
Yes im being A D!CK, and yes Steve Rogers is imo, superior to Batman, which imo is why he can hang with Spiderman.
Daredevils senses and enhanced agility/equilibrium coupled with skill let HIM hand with Spiderman.
Elektras TP coupled with what seem to be enhanced stats/speed/strength with her Skill would allow HER to hang with Spider-man.
Kingpins classic Stength allowed HIM to hang with Spiderman -
Wolverines ..well..everything allows HIM to hand with Spiderman.
Blades enhanced stats/ and expert skill combined allow HIM to hand with Spiderman.
i guess what im asking is whats Batmans excuse?
ps sorry for being a D!ck
Originally posted by Juk3n
Yes im being A D!CK, and yes [B]Steve Rogers is imo, superior to Batman, which imo is why he can hang with Spiderman.
Daredevils senses and enhanced agility/equilibrium coupled with skill let HIM hand with Spiderman.
Elektras TP coupled with what seem to be enhanced stats/speed/strength with her Skill would allow HER to hang with Spider-man.
Kingpins classic Stength allowed HIM to hang with Spiderman -
Wolverines ..well..everything allows HIM to hand with Spiderman.
Blades enhanced stats/ and expert skill combined allow HIM to hand with Spiderman.whats Batmans excuse? [/B]
Well I love all those characters as well but in one on one fights, Spidey takes them down too. Physical superiority on soooo many levels ✅ And that's not even counting the Spider-sense which renders him theoretically untouchable against those guys.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Yes im being A D!CK, and yes [B]Steve Rogers is imo, superior to Batman, which imo is why he can hang with Spiderman.
Daredevils senses and enhanced agility/equilibrium coupled with skill let HIM hand with Spiderman.
Elektras TP coupled with what seem to be enhanced stats/speed/strength with her Skill would allow HER to hang with Spider-man.
Kingpins classic Stength allowed HIM to hang with Spiderman -
Wolverines ..well..everything allows HIM to hand with Spiderman.
Blades enhanced stats/ and expert skill combined allow HIM to hand with Spiderman.i guess what im asking is whats Batmans excuse?
ps sorry for being a D!ck [/B]
Um Cap isnt superior to Batman to a massive degree. Batman stated that Cap would beat him but after a long time. Shang Chi isnt superior to Cap either but he was able to give Spiderman a good fight.
Alot of people also compare DS to Cap and DS was badly injured after fighting Batman.
Originally posted by willRules
Well I love all those characters as well but in one on one fights, Spidey takes them down too. Physical superiority on soooo many levels ✅ And that's not even counting the Spider-sense which renders him theoretically untouchable against those guys.
Aye i think so too, it was just a response to the "Bats can = Caps feats so he would be > Spiderman" esque post.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Yes im being A D!CK, and yes [B]Steve Rogers is imo, superior to Batman, which imo is why he can hang with Spiderman.
Daredevils senses and enhanced agility/equilibrium coupled with skill let HIM hand with Spiderman.
Elektras TP coupled with what seem to be enhanced stats/speed/strength with her Skill would allow HER to hang with Spider-man.
Kingpins classic Stength allowed HIM to hang with Spiderman -
Wolverines ..well..everything allows HIM to hand with Spiderman.
Blades enhanced stats/ and expert skill combined allow HIM to hand with Spiderman.i guess what im asking is whats Batmans excuse?
ps sorry for being a D!ck [/B]
the bat factor, utility and being a prep master... 😛 🙄
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Um Cap isnt superior to Batman to a massive degree. Batman stated that Cap would beat him but after a long time. Shang Chi isnt superior to Cap either but he was able to give Spiderman a good fight.Alot of people also compare DS to Cap and DS was badly injured after fighting Batman.
DS isnt Cap.
Shang-chi is low end super-human and he has the feats to back it up. Thats what allows HIM to hang with Spider-man.
Originally posted by Juk3nThe idea that despite not having any of the advantages as far as powers go, that many other characters do, and yet has example after example of hanging with or often enough beating characters like those or superpowered beings consistently, shows his sheer effectiveness in combat is far greater than most characters by a fairly vast degree when concerning the combination of his skills.
Yes im being A D!CK, and yes [B]Steve Rogers is imo, superior to Batman, which imo is why he can hang with Spiderman.
Daredevils senses and enhanced agility/equilibrium coupled with skill let HIM hand with Spiderman.
Elektras TP coupled with what seem to be enhanced stats/speed/strength with her Skill would allow HER to hang with Spider-man.
Kingpins classic Stength allowed HIM to hang with Spiderman -
Wolverines ..well..everything allows HIM to hand with Spiderman.
Blades enhanced stats/ and expert skill combined allow HIM to hand with Spiderman.i guess what im asking is whats Batmans excuse?
ps sorry for being a D!ck [/B]
Originally posted by Juk3n
DS isnt Cap.
DS is comparable to Cap thats the point.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Shang-chi is low end super-human and he has the feats to back it up. Thats what allows HIM to hang with Spider-man.
The fact that it would take along time for Cap to beat Batman is enough to imply that he can give Spiderman in a good fight.
Originally posted by Juntai
The idea that despite not having any of the advantages as far as powers go, that many other characters do, and yet has example after example of hanging with or often enough beating characters like those or superpowered beings consistently, shows his sheer effectiveness in combat is far greater than most characters by a fairly vast degree when concerning the combination of his skills.
Outside of examples of their powers specifically, Batman will equal or outperform most of the characters you mentioned there in a battle of feats against other characters.
But that only works for his greatest feats and not his worst. Like Spider-man, Batman has also inexplicably lost to much weaker opponents. Prometheus beat him to a pulp and Batman wasn't able to return the favour until he had prep.
So if the characters have both high and low end showings, the feats can only be indicators to their performance, but not necessarily offering a substantial argument as to why they would win. That's why going by their stats would be a much more objective comparison to determine who would be the victor. Going by their strengths/attributes, Spidey outclasses Batman.
Originally posted by willRules
But that only works for his greatest feats and not his worst. Like Spider-man, Batman has also inexplicably lost to much weaker opponents. Prometheus beat him to a pulp and Batman wasn't able to return the favour until he had prep.So if the characters have both high and low end showings, the feats can only be indicators to their performance, but not necessarily offering a substantial argument as to why they would win. That's why going by their stats would be a much more objective comparison to determine who would be the victor. Going by their strengths, Spidey outclasses Batman.
LOL Promotheus had absorbed the skills of the worlds martial arts expert in that state he could have possibly beaten Spiderman.....c'mon man. 😬
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The fact that it would take along time for Cap to beat Batman is enough to imply that he can give Spiderman in a good fight.
Cap, see's/reacts/can move at a level greater than any other HUMAN can ever achieve. According to the MU. This to me is why he can give Spider-man a good fight. batmans limitations stop at Human, however the DCU want to implement that. I guess it's just a circular argument becuase yes you're right Batman has comparible feats in his universe which apparently allows a much higher standard of peak humanity.
So, i guess we'll leave it as agree to dis-agree.
Originally posted by willRulesThen you're debating power-sets only and not characters, a major flaw on a comic forum.
But that only works for his greatest feats and not his worst. Like Spider-man, Batman has also inexplicably lost to much weaker opponents. Prometheus beat him to a pulp and Batman wasn't able to return the favour until he had prep.So if the characters have both high and low end showings, the feats can only be indicators to their performance, but not necessarily offering a substantial argument as to why they would win. That's why going by their stats would be a much more objective comparison to determine who would be the victor. Going by their strengths/attributes, Spidey outclasses Batman.
Bad example, Prometheus had prep, and not only took down Batman, but nearly defeated the entire JLA.
However, in a later matchup, Batman tells us specifically that can see 15 killing blows against Prometheus from across a room, and then that he's not going to use them against him. [as Batman doesn't kill.] 😉
http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=c01_batprometheus1.jpg&loc=loc208
Originally posted by Juk3n
Cap, see's/reacts/can move at a level greater than any other HUMAN can ever achieve. According to the MU. This to me is why he can give Spider-man a good fight. batmans limitations stop at Human, however the DCU want to implement that.
Um and you think Spiderman is going to stomp somebody who is slightly inferior to Cap?.
Originally posted by Juk3n
I guess it's just a circular argument becuase yes you're right Batman has comparible feats in his universe which apparently allows a much higher standard of peak humanity.So, i guess we'll leave it as agree to dis-agree.
Yeah and there was no need for the dickishnis. 😐
