Originally posted by Burning thought
As I said above, Kain could be teleporting constantly which he would be doing considering the DS power and Kain is no fool, and if he is melted he would prob reform as mist, hell the mist form is an instant transformation of his body so he could resist this melting from that by turning himself even less viscous, gas>liquid. I doubt DW will use this power anyway, hes got the choice of all this power from the DS or his melting trick, I doubt hes going to choose melting.Its relevent because the EG was massively wounded by it, it was the only weapon capable, I was outlining out stating it to be just a soul stealing weapon is folly when it has other unususal properties, including hitting a being that both spectral and material beings cant seem to strike. because thats what the sword is made to do and DW so far has no resistance shown. When did a dreadlord attempt to steal the soul of a dragon? or DW? was the dragon shielded or defenceless? and no, the only time the Soul reaver has an instant effect in gameplay is in BO1, where its a one hit kill which obliterates the beings body as well. Hardly continental? Nosgoth is either a continent or a planet, either way the EG is enormous (and can make itself far larger on a whim) and far larger than things in Warcraft, it would probably smother even a titan with its size.
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, the power of the gun is exactley the same when fired at a tank, the only problem is the resistance of the tank is massively higher than the guns power and it is "resisted". Only in this case, we have Kains power of his sword and seemingly zero resistance from DW. Furthermore the only reason the Hylden Lords soul is not taken is because of the Nexus stone which protects him from the reavers power, Kain uses it agains him to regain the sword in the end of BO2. The EG is an unkown being, it may not even have a soul, we know it absorbs them, eats them and then puts them into the wheel to recreate them as life but thats it. We know it slices through his tentacles like butter.As I said, timing could also be important, perhaps the light he creates is no more than an Luminous from harry potter or w/e its called and not enough, perhaps his fireball takes too long to cast or he was not certain it would have been useful so he used this dangerous spell which he thought was the strongest he could have performed in the time period he had. Either way this hunger is featless and due to the fact it would devour DW and kain cna escape it with ease its irrelvent, a useless spell in comparison to DS and this melting.
I dont know, can he teleport? if so has he done it in Dragon form? Do we know the plates heat up like this to burn Kain? and as I said, Kain could stand on Deathwing, theres no evidence to suggest a plate covers ever piece of skin DW has, its illogical, there would have to be slits between plates so DW can move, especially on his arms, tail, neck etc. Malygos is a huge dragon, he would be an easy target to strike with the soul, Kain being small has an advantage over Malygos.
Kain puts up his repel shield early on to repel magic back at DW, then he continues on to teleport to escape this melting fate or blasts from the DS and DW physical attacks. He teleports atop DW and fires an incapacitation bolt into DW head, freezing him in time who drops like a rock into the ground below. kain finishes his opponent with one of his soul devouring powers, unless he can claim the DS for himself and use it to blast DW into piecies. [/B]
If he teleports around constantly the chance for him to get a killing stricke in imo decrease, never claimed he was. The melten rock in case you might have overlooked it vanished, even if Kain reforms it would still count as a knockout. Yes because mist most certainly could withstand the temperatues that is required to melt a rock.. Perhaps not, it is still a possible option for him, and with the demon soul at his disposal the speed ore effect would be greatly empowered.
It was wounding the elder god that was basically just flesh, furthermore Kain was stricking directly at the eye of the Elder God the most undefended part of the entire body. But the main point is that when the Soul Stealing didn't affect the Elder God the slightest I have no reason to believe that it would affect Deathwing. It might have other usefull abilities but against Deathwing I doesn't see any of those abilities playing a role that could help Kain. Neither has the Elder God yet it managed fine against the Soul Reaver. A single Dreadlord tried during the war of the ancient to affect a Dragon with what I would describe as a soul stealing spell, he failed. And I would assume that the Dragon had no defense at that point of time. So you entire reason for saying that the Soul Reaver steals the Soul of Deathwing is a gameplay mechanic? Let me rephase my question, has the Soul Reaver ever stolen the soul from a healthty being on the first hit (and only stolen the soul)? So you are suggesting that this being http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhLQXcaVM0k That must be some very small continents in LoK, you entire that he can shapeshift his size... Has he ever done that ore are you speculating that he can?
The power/effect of the gun is also reduced then. Deathwing got something that the Elder God didn't have, Adamantium plating around it's entire body and again the Soul Reaver didn't on the first hit Steal the Soul of the Elder God I have no reason to believe it would on Deathwing. I would like to see the quote ore movie clip that points out that the Hylden Lord soul is only protected by a nexus. Sorry but that doesn't automatic grant him immunity, the fact still remains that the Soul Reaver, Didn't autosteal his soul like you are suggesting it's going to do against Deathwing.
That is farfetched imo, Krasus immidiately after the encounter creates light and the Immolation in WotA it also more ore less happens immidiately, you are suggesting that Krasus a old and wise being that is respected by all his collegues in Dalaran thought "Damm I can cast this Fireball spell and Light spell but wait I could also cast this intense and highly dangerous spell that could with a single wrong phase kill me, let me for the fun of it try the one that can instant kill me" Is that what you are suggesting? That Krasus is a idiot? The Hunger is most certainly not featless, It devoured anything in it's path and shown that the counterspell that should have killed it was devoured too, it shows that it feast on anything, magic ore material alike.
Yes he has teleported both in his Dragon Form and without it. Are you seriously suggesting that a metal that is placed next to something that is around somewhere from 700-2500 degrees isn't going to be hot? Do you have anything that suggest that his mist form can be near this level of heat? It covers his entire body, I would say it's just as inlogical as Kain standing on Deathwing. The size of the Object didn't matter it was iirc a Area of Effect spell that simply lashed out from Deathwing, all the blue Dragons around him was instantly killed, while Malygos toke a fly. Q can probably recall it better.
You have yet to provide anything that would suggest that Kain's repel shield would protect him from the transmutation effect. Deathwing got alot more to offer then Physical attacks. I think this is third time it escaped you notice but Deathwing can raise a Magical shield to protect him. Again right infront of Deathwing with the Demon Soul? He wouldn't even have time, secondly a time based attack against a being that holds the power from (atleast according to DotD) the Aspect of time good luck, thirdly in DotD Nozdormu tried with a Time Attack against Deathwing it failed, this was Nozdormy that still according to Krasus could with a grain of Sand erase him from Time and space forever (ore untill Nozdormu bothered bringing him back), none would ever know he had existed. The Demon Soul doesn't have any effect on Deathwing so I don't quite see how getting it would help Kain.
To try and run the same as you this is what I see happen: Kain beings by activating his repel shield (he has a dragon infront of him anything else would be suicide) Deathwing maybe tries a few spells and notice they are being repeled (I personally doesn't think that the Repel Shield is strong enough to withstand magical attack from Deathwing but nvm) and then tries Melting, Kain notices it and teleports away like you say probably on top of Deathwing, Deathwing notices his Enemy is gone unleashes the attack that he used against Malygos even if Kain does go into his mist form it will be blown to the wind litterally, otherwise he will be killed instantly.
Originally posted by Utrigita
If he teleports around constantly the chance for him to get a killing stricke in imo decrease, never claimed he was. The melten rock in case you might have overlooked it vanished, even if Kain reforms it would still count as a knockout. Yes because mist most certainly could withstand the temperatues that is required to melt a rock.. Perhaps not, it is still a possible option for him, and with the demon soul at his disposal the speed ore effect would be greatly empowered.It was wounding the elder god that was basically just flesh, furthermore Kain was stricking directly at the eye of the Elder God the most undefended part of the entire body. But the main point is that when the Soul Stealing didn't affect the Elder God the slightest I have no reason to believe that it would affect Deathwing. It might have other usefull abilities but against Deathwing I doesn't see any of those abilities playing a role that could help Kain. Neither has the Elder God yet it managed fine against the Soul Reaver. A single Dreadlord tried during the war of the ancient to affect a Dragon with what I would describe as a soul stealing spell, he failed. And I would assume that the Dragon had no defense at that point of time. So you entire reason for saying that the Soul Reaver steals the Soul of Deathwing is a gameplay mechanic? Let me rephase my question, has the Soul Reaver ever stolen the soul from a healthty being on the first hit (and only stolen the soul)? So you are suggesting that this being http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhLQXcaVM0k That must be some very small continents in LoK, you entire that he can shapeshift his size... Has he ever done that ore are you speculating that he can?
The power/effect of the gun is also reduced then. Deathwing got something that the Elder God didn't have, Adamantium plating around it's entire body and again the Soul Reaver didn't on the first hit Steal the Soul of the Elder God I have no reason to believe it would on Deathwing. I would like to see the quote ore movie clip that points out that the Hylden Lord soul is only protected by a nexus. Sorry but that doesn't automatic grant him immunity, the fact still remains that the Soul Reaver, Didn't autosteal his soul like you are suggesting it's going to do against Deathwing.
That is farfetched imo, Krasus immidiately after the encounter creates light and the Immolation in WotA it also more ore less happens immidiately, you are suggesting that Krasus a old and wise being that is respected by all his collegues in Dalaran thought "Damm I can cast this Fireball spell and Light spell but wait I could also cast this intense and highly dangerous spell that could with a single wrong phase kill me, let me for the fun of it try the one that can instant kill me" Is that what you are suggesting? That Krasus is a idiot? The Hunger is most certainly not featless, It devoured anything in it's path and shown that the counterspell that should have killed it was devoured too, it shows that it feast on anything, magic ore material alike.
Yes he has teleported both in his Dragon Form and without it. Are you seriously suggesting that a metal that is placed next to something that is around somewhere from 700-2500 degrees isn't going to be hot? Do you have anything that suggest that his mist form can be near this level of heat? It covers his entire body, I would say it's just as inlogical as Kain standing on Deathwing. The size of the Object didn't matter it was iirc a Area of Effect spell that simply lashed out from Deathwing, all the blue Dragons around him was instantly killed, while Malygos toke a fly. Q can probably recall it better.
You have yet to provide anything that would suggest that Kain's repel shield would protect him from the transmutation effect. Deathwing got alot more to offer then Physical attacks. I think this is third time it escaped you notice but Deathwing can raise a Magical shield to protect him. Again right infront of Deathwing with the Demon Soul? He wouldn't even have time, secondly a time based attack against a being that holds the power from (atleast according to DotD) the Aspect of time good luck, thirdly in DotD Nozdormu tried with a Time Attack against Deathwing it failed, this was Nozdormy that still according to Krasus could with a grain of Sand erase him from Time and space forever (ore untill Nozdormu bothered bringing him back), none would ever know he had existed. The Demon Soul doesn't have any effect on Deathwing so I don't quite see how getting it would help Kain.
To try and run the same as you this is what I see happen: Kain beings by activating his repel shield (he has a dragon infront of him anything else would be suicide) Deathwing maybe tries a few spells and notice they are being repeled (I personally doesn't think that the Repel Shield is strong enough to withstand magical attack from Deathwing but nvm) and then tries Melting, Kain notices it and teleports away like you say probably on top of Deathwing, Deathwing notices his Enemy is gone unleashes the attack that he used against Malygos even if Kain does go into his mist form it will be blown to the wind litterally, otherwise he will be killed instantly.
Why? one of Kains dimentional teleports is an actual move that is supposed to strike, Kain uses it to strike many enemies in diffrent places with precision, teleportation will be too much for DW to react or follow to and certainly not use this power on. Mist may not be a viable target at all....
Nexus stone protecting Sarafan lord:
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/az/nexus.php
Basically just flesh? one beings flesh could be stronger than anothers, and its not just flesh, it was thick tentacles that could pound through stone and survive the weight of the rest of the world as he burrows under it, yet Kains sword slices through it like air. Eye and tentacles. Elder God may not have a soul, its not something that would have a soul, its already an ethereal creature itself on the level of a soul. The EG has not shown soul resistance? Raziel has opened his cowl in its presence many times, the EG does not have a soul, it may be an enormous being made out of some sort of spectral matter ,but its not a soul. What you would describe as a soul steal? a spell as well? sorry but thats not good enough, was it soul stealing or not? no it has not stolen a soul from a healthy being alone on the first hit although in the LOK universe (or at least in BO1), when your soul is ripped out your body explodes even if Kain uses a spell to disect it. So that question is fairly useless. And no, my reason for the Soul reaver taking DW soul is because hes defenceless against soul ripping which the Soul reaver does unless your trying to claim it does not take souls now? 🙄
Small continents or that was only the piece of the EG on the old sanctuary, not the piece that is in the swamps, the time streaming chamber, the underworld, beneath the abyss etc etc, and as you see in the video, he multiplies the amount of tentacles he has several times almost instantly.
yeh thats going ot be useful when Kain pushes his sword through a hole in the plating, in a connection point for the arms/tail/neck to move or in Neltharians eye. DW is defenceless and the EG has survived millions of soulike entities sucking in souls around him, you do realise Raziel every time he opens his cowl is like a suction that absorbs all souls within an area around him.
old, respected, wise, has done two spells with the same effect as his "ancient" one. It could just be PIS to make this not so endless hunger seem impressive before its immedialtey defeated. Your inventing this heat based on logic on real life metals, Adamantium is not, also the more dense a metal is, the more heat it can absorb before melting point, I am assuming this Adamantium could take a ton of heat before melting so it may be cool to the touch. Unless theres evidence this adamantium is hot its a moot point. Kain could just quickly apparate in and slash Neltharians eyes, blinding the beast and taking its soul at once.
You are understanding that DS has the element of power Noz and these other dragons draw from, part of their essence which is why the dragons were screwed because DW had a part of them, they could not do much to him because he had their power, but thats not to suggest a time spell from Kain, or anything else from him would be effected, its a diffrent type of spell, from a diffrent source.
Why would he go straight to using the attack he used against malygos? if he cant see his opponent, also I would like to see evidence of this spell, what it can do but more importantly how long it took to cast and what it was like, was it an AOE like you claim or just projected force, maybe DW did not have full control over its use and it was a passive attack from the DS.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Do you care to illustrate what Kain is going to do with the Demon Soul once he gets it (beside enraging Deathwing), Nekros couldn't and he had experience using it, do anything to Deathwing with the Demon Soul in his possession, only look powerless as Deathwing claimed what he wanted.
I dont know, thats why I said "unless Kain can" claim it for himself, I didnt say he could do so, I do not know how it DS is used.
Originally posted by Burning thought
old, respected, wise, has done two spells with the same effect as his "ancient" one. It could just be PIS to make this not so endless hunger seem impressive before its immedialtey defeated
Should've expected PIS to join in on the party. I would've brought more cookies.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Adamantium is not, also the more dense a metal is, the more heat it can absorb before melting point, I am assuming this Adamantium could take a ton of heat before melting so it may be cool to the touch. Unless theres evidence this adamantium is hot its a moot point. Kain could just quickly apparate in and slash Neltharians eyes, blinding the beast and taking its soul at once.
Adamantium can heat up but it can't be melted, destroyed or broke down unless you have some incredibly powerful cosmic powers or control over magnetism on a molecular level. Adamantium once completed isn't hot at all. If the question is if Kain could affect, break or slice through adamantium then I'll go ahead and say no he can't.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Adamantium can heat up but it can't be melted, destroyed or broke down unless you have some incredibly powerful cosmic powers or control over magnetism on a molecular level. Adamantium once completed isn't hot at all. If the question is if Kain could affect, break or slice through adamantium then I'll go ahead and say no he can't.
It's not the same as in Marvel.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Wow...here's a guy who feels incredibly stupid. I thought ADA only existed in Marvel.
No, in Warcraft Deathwing requested of the goblins to be clad in adamantium plating so that his skin wouldn't melt and his body defeat itself. As far as I'm aware, it's the second most durable metal in Warcraft.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Why? one of Kains dimentional teleports is an actual move that is supposed to strike, Kain uses it to strike many enemies in diffrent places with precision, teleportation will be too much for DW to react or follow to and certainly not use this power on. Mist may not be a viable target at all....Nexus stone protecting Sarafan lord:
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/az/nexus.phpBasically just flesh? one beings flesh could be stronger than anothers, and its not just flesh, it was thick tentacles that could pound through stone and survive the weight of the rest of the world as he burrows under it, yet Kains sword slices through it like air. Eye and tentacles. Elder God may not have a soul, its not something that would have a soul, its already an ethereal creature itself on the level of a soul. The EG has not shown soul resistance? Raziel has opened his cowl in its presence many times, the EG does not have a soul, it may be an enormous being made out of some sort of spectral matter ,but its not a soul. What you would describe as a soul steal? a spell as well? sorry but thats not good enough, was it soul stealing or not? no it has not stolen a soul from a healthy being alone on the first hit although in the LOK universe (or at least in BO1), when your soul is ripped out your body explodes even if Kain uses a spell to disect it. So that question is fairly useless. And no, my reason for the Soul reaver taking DW soul is because hes defenceless against soul ripping which the Soul reaver does unless your trying to claim it does not take souls now? 🙄
Small continents or that was only the piece of the EG on the old sanctuary, not the piece that is in the swamps, the time streaming chamber, the underworld, beneath the abyss etc etc, and as you see in the video, he multiplies the amount of tentacles he has several times almost instantly.
yeh thats going ot be useful when Kain pushes his sword through a hole in the plating, in a connection point for the arms/tail/neck to move or in Neltharians eye. DW is defenceless and the EG has survived millions of soulike entities sucking in souls around him, you do realise Raziel every time he opens his cowl is like a suction that absorbs all souls within an area around him.
old, respected, wise, has done two spells with the same effect as his "ancient" one. It could just be PIS to make this not so endless hunger seem impressive before its immedialtey defeated. Your inventing this heat based on logic on real life metals, Adamantium is not, also the more dense a metal is, the more heat it can absorb before melting point, I am assuming this Adamantium could take a ton of heat before melting so it may be cool to the touch. Unless theres evidence this adamantium is hot its a moot point. Kain could just quickly apparate in and slash Neltharians eyes, blinding the beast and taking its soul at once.
You are understanding that DS has the element of power Noz and these other dragons draw from, part of their essence which is why the dragons were screwed because DW had a part of them, they could not do much to him because he had their power, but thats not to suggest a time spell from Kain, or anything else from him would be effected, its a diffrent type of spell, from a diffrent source.
Why would he go straight to using the attack he used against malygos? if he cant see his opponent, also I would like to see evidence of this spell, what it can do but more importantly how long it took to cast and what it was like, was it an AOE like you claim or just projected force, maybe DW did not have full control over its use and it was a passive attack from the DS.
But it takes energy to be performed, it can't be done constantly throughout the game. I'm as mentioned above not even suggesting that Deathwing should begin and follow Kain around but rather utilize his blast against Kain like he did against Malygos. Mist can still be disrupted ore dispelled, and there is no reason to believe that Deathwing should be unable to follow Mist that suddenly appears on the ground where Kain was located a second earlier, Deathwing isn't stupid either.
Fair enough.
Yes just flesh, you got anything suggesting that his Flesh is harder Deathwings adamantium plating? So now he according to you holds up the entire Nosgoth continent… interesting, and no Kain did as say strike through the tentacles but the eye required numerous slashes from Kain in order for Kain to injure the Elder God. So you don’t know if he even got it ore if the Soul Reaver simply wasn’t strong enough to affect the soul? I however think it was pointed out very clear that every being in LoK got a soul. The fact that Raziel have proven incapable of sucking in the soul of the Elder God, doesn’t prove anything consideret how many healthy beings Raziel have sucked the soul out of which iirc is zero. A spell that attempts to draw the spiritual energy out of a being I would describe as a soul steal, I can’t be sure because it was, iirc, what Malfurion said the dread lord was attempting. No that question is hardly useless, it clearly shows that you entire argument that the Soul Reaver can instantly upon the first hit steal the Soul of Deathwing (even if he didn’t have protection) irrelevant, because if it was incapable of doing it against a regular mortal being, what chances does it then have against a Eternal Dragon? Imo none. I’m not claiming that it can’t claim souls, but in every game I have played concerning the LoK the Soul Reaver as a standard has to wound and damage the target to a certain degree before it can rip out the soul it isn’t a one hit wonder. Unless you suggest that the Soul Reaver is going to perform something that it has never done on panel.
Yes it’s clearly beyond the Elder God to move itself around as it sees fit, if the part that Kain attacks was just a aspect of the total Elder God it shouldn’t have been more wounded that you become when you cut yourself in the finger with a knife.
Yes I’m sure Deathwing will lean himself back and open the small cracks between the armor and then wait for Kain to strike his sword in between them, and I’m absolutely certain that Deathwing wouldn’t do a turn in the air if Kain suddenly appears on top of his head. He is sucking in Souls that isn’t in a actual holster, even the beings the Sluagh has to be weakened before Raziel can refill his energy on their souls. So to suggest that just the fact that Raziel opens the cowl is a auto eating soul attack is neglecting the circumstances around each soul devouring imo. http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=da&q=Raziel&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=4AFqSp2oFsbs-AbA9IiMCw&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=8#q=Raziel+vs+Sluagh&hl=da&emb=0 I especially like 3:56 that clearly shows that the beings even though they have a soul have to be weakened before Raziel can claim their souls.
Oh yes lets blaim it all on PIS, I personally find it PIS that the Sarafan Lord and Kain has to get a Nexus stone to protect themselves from the Soul Reaver, ridiculous really seen as how it isn’t exactly a one hit one kill weapon on regular mortals, yet I’m not going to Label it as PIS, I suggest you do the same to the Endless Hunger. Did I say he had only done two spells with the same effect as the one that was going to kill him? No I stated that he had done things that could at the very least duplicate a fireball spell and a Light spell, which you for some reason thinks is enough to defeat the Endless Hunger, The Endless hunger was placed in the Book to give the reader a idea on just how powerful lord Prestor (later found out to be Deathwing) actually was even in comparison to Krasus, how was regarded by the rest of the Kirin Tor (The elite of Dalaran) as the most powerful mage in the council. It has been on his body for the last 10.000 years to suggest that it after that time hasn’t been heated (in around 700-2500 degrees) is to entirely ignore the basics of heat and Iron imo. That it doesn’t melt is by no means the same as saying that Heat doesn’t affect it.
I think you might have overlooked the fact that the time where Nozdormu attacked Deathwing, Deathwing didn’t have the Demon Soul in his possession, and he still shrugged of the Time attack from Nozdormu with ease. If we are going to work with that line of though, then why exactly am I going to debate if a soul steal in LoK is useable on a Warcraft being?
It’s only logic, if I lost sight of my opponent and I had the option to utilize a AoE attack, I would and why? Because it would make sure that my opponent most certainly wasn’t anywhere near me. I think what effect it produced doesn’t require more explanation as for the rest you will have to ask another to post it I don’t have the book any longer so I can’t post the quote.
Originally posted by Burning thought
And I was not suggesting he attacks the adamantium at all anyway. DW had his body plated in it because the Demon Soul was destroying his body.
No, he was plated in Adamantium because of his corruption the Demon soul had nothing to do with it.
Originally posted by Utrigita
But it takes energy to be performed, it can't be done constantly throughout the game. I'm as mentioned above not even suggesting that Deathwing should begin and follow Kain around but rather utilize his blast against Kain like he did against Malygos. Mist can still be disrupted ore dispelled, and there is no reason to believe that Deathwing should be unable to follow Mist that suddenly appears on the ground where Kain was located a second earlier, Deathwing isn't stupid either.Fair enough.
Yes just flesh, you got anything suggesting that his Flesh is harder Deathwings adamantium plating? So now he according to you holds up the entire Nosgoth continent… interesting, and no Kain did as say strike through the tentacles but the eye required numerous slashes from Kain in order for Kain to injure the Elder God. So you don’t know if he even got it ore if the Soul Reaver simply wasn’t strong enough to affect the soul? I however think it was pointed out very clear that every being in LoK got a soul. The fact that Raziel have proven incapable of sucking in the soul of the Elder God, doesn’t prove anything consideret how many healthy beings Raziel have sucked the soul out of which iirc is zero. A spell that attempts to draw the spiritual energy out of a being I would describe as a soul steal, I can’t be sure because it was, iirc, what Malfurion said the dread lord was attempting. No that question is hardly useless, it clearly shows that you entire argument that the Soul Reaver can instantly upon the first hit steal the Soul of Deathwing (even if he didn’t have protection) irrelevant, because if it was incapable of doing it against a regular mortal being, what chances does it then have against a Eternal Dragon? Imo none. I’m not claiming that it can’t claim souls, but in every game I have played concerning the LoK the Soul Reaver as a standard has to wound and damage the target to a certain degree before it can rip out the soul it isn’t a one hit wonder. Unless you suggest that the Soul Reaver is going to perform something that it has never done on panel.
Yes it’s clearly beyond the Elder God to move itself around as it sees fit, if the part that Kain attacks was just a aspect of the total Elder God it shouldn’t have been more wounded that you become when you cut yourself in the finger with a knife.
Yes I’m sure Deathwing will lean himself back and open the small cracks between the armor and then wait for Kain to strike his sword in between them, and I’m absolutely certain that Deathwing wouldn’t do a turn in the air if Kain suddenly appears on top of his head. He is sucking in Souls that isn’t in a actual holster, even the beings the Sluagh has to be weakened before Raziel can refill his energy on their souls. So to suggest that just the fact that Raziel opens the cowl is a auto eating soul attack is neglecting the circumstances around each soul devouring imo. http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=da&q=Raziel&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=4AFqSp2oFsbs-AbA9IiMCw&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=8#q=Raziel+vs+Sluagh&hl=da&emb=0 I especially like 3:56 that clearly shows that the beings even though they have a soul have to be weakened before Raziel can claim their souls.
Oh yes lets blaim it all on PIS, I personally find it PIS that the Sarafan Lord and Kain has to get a Nexus stone to protect themselves from the Soul Reaver, ridiculous really seen as how it isn’t exactly a one hit one kill weapon on regular mortals, yet I’m not going to Label it as PIS, I suggest you do the same to the Endless Hunger. Did I say he had only done two spells with the same effect as the one that was going to kill him? No I stated that he had done things that could at the very least duplicate a fireball spell and a Light spell, which you for some reason thinks is enough to defeat the Endless Hunger, The Endless hunger was placed in the Book to give the reader a idea on just how powerful lord Prestor (later found out to be Deathwing) actually was even in comparison to Krasus, how was regarded by the rest of the Kirin Tor (The elite of Dalaran) as the most powerful mage in the council. It has been on his body for the last 10.000 years to suggest that it after that time hasn’t been heated (in around 700-2500 degrees) is to entirely ignore the basics of heat and Iron imo. That it doesn’t melt is by no means the same as saying that Heat doesn’t affect it.
I think you might have overlooked the fact that the time where Nozdormu attacked Deathwing, Deathwing didn’t have the Demon Soul in his possession, and he still shrugged of the Time attack from Nozdormu with ease. If we are going to work with that line of though, then why exactly am I going to debate if a soul steal in LoK is useable on a Warcraft being?
It’s only logic, if I lost sight of my opponent and I had the option to utilize a AoE attack, I would and why? Because it would make sure that my opponent most certainly wasn’t anywhere near me. I think what effect it produced doesn’t require more explanation as for the rest you will have to ask another to post it I don’t have the book any longer so I can’t post the quote.
No, he was plated in Adamantium because of his corruption the Demon soul had nothing to do with it.
No, the only thing that limits it is a gameplay system of the reaver absorbing enemies, this is shown to be non-canon gameplay mechanic and its illogical anyway. As i said, he may not be able to target mist, its like trying to target vapour,theres no evidence of him being able to heat up small particles and all it would do is make more mist.
Kain is not attacking adamantium, never have said he would. Well he is a sprawling mass beneath Nosgoth so he holds up a good amount of it. In-game it took numerous slashes, its unkown how many in-canon EG took, its also unkown if thats what Kain actually did, that was just gameplay, all we know is EG was only defeatable by the reaver. No it was pointed out very clear that most mortals had a soul and immortals ruined the cycle, even if we add a soul for the sake of debate and say the reaver was not strong enough to take it, thats a feat for the EG, DW still needs a soul resistance feat. healthy beings? EG is a spectoral entity, technically by LOK standards its neither dead, nor entirely alive. The soul reaver has not actually canonically absorbed the soul of anyone other than perhaps the Sarafan lord, which it killed in one canon strike, the swords function is to absorb the souls of those who it strikes, that is its function and its canon function throughout all the games, the fact it has few canon screen time is irrelvent, in truth theres no such thing as a weakened sarafan knight if hit by the reaver, they would be completly ripped apart by Kains strength and the sharpness of the blade, your playing on gameplay mechanics to underplay the SR, DW has no resistence to soul taking powers, simple as.
Or SR is destroying its very essence, you cant seem to understand what the EG is, Ime not sure I can show you either without you playing the game, ill try and find some vids but ill simply say that the EG is an enormous mass beneath the continent that is Nosgoth, every time Raziel finds a piece of him its in a diffrence place and its a diffrent form, the EG does not consist of one eye and a few tentacles lol...
He not have to lean at all, hes just going to sit there, likely not notice Kain considering how small he is in comparison and suddenly feel a cold numbness as his body drops to the ground and his conctious thought disapears. As i said above, playing on gameplay mechanics, Raziel opens his cowl and sucks souls, this same power is in the sword.
Nonsense and irrelvency just to try and make a counter argument, the Sarafan lord needing a stone is pis? what a stupid thing to say, its not stupidity on anyones part at all....
because the Demon soul was made to master the other dragons, theres no such basis for Kains powers. And i would like to see a quote of Nozmordus attack on DW without the Demon soul.
Or your opponent could be miles behind you channeling a paramout spell (DW would not necesserily know Kain spell list) or not even in the area.
Thats not what this says, this says the Demon soul caused the corruption:
Originally posted by Burning thought
Nonsense and irrelvency just to try and make a counter argument, the Sarafan lord needing a stone is pis? what a stupid thing to say, its not stupidity on anyones part at all...
I'm sorry, but your PIS claim was pretty stupid too. Even I can say that, and I'm no Warcraft adept.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats not what this says, this says the Demon soul caused the corruption:
Wiki!
Originally posted by Burning thought
No your a warcraft fan and an anti-Kain/BT supporter. And I can claim PIS if I wish, youve claimed it in the past.Go and find a better piece of evidence, Wiki is useful for information on KMC and is marginally better than proofless words by most members.
Never said you can't call PIS ermm You said his PIS call was stupid. I said your PIS call was stupid. That's all there was to it mmm
Let me tell you though, that I love Kain.
Originally posted by Burning thought
I see......chidlike foolery as I imagined so....wish I had a facepalm picture to spam every so often.Nonsense and thats not clever either.
Nothing childish with it. Your PIS claim WAS stupid.
Think what you want of my opinion revolving Kain. Just don't credit yourself with the lie that you've turned me into a hater. Kain is an awesome character, despite you.
Originally posted by Burning thought
I see......chidlike foolery as I imagined so....wish I had a facepalm picture to spam every so often.Nonsense and thats not clever either.
I'm counting every time you use the word "child" or any variation on it as an insult.
Starting right now, at 7, because I know you've used it at least 7 times by now.