Deathwing vs Kain

Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]The fact that you are not an Azerothian arcanist decline you the right to make that judgement revolving Endless Hunger. You're saying he beat it with nothing but fire and light, but I'll point out that there was chanting involved as well. How you're missing the point that magic is part of the spell is beyond me.

Q'Anilia earlier said that even a young magician can cast light and fire spells. If Endless Hunger was so easy to beat as you claim it to be, it first of all would never have been prohibited. Secondly, Krasus would not have risked his life taking it on. He could've escaped and informed the world of Deathwing's return, but instead risked his life by preparing a counter spell that was as dangerous to him as Endless Hunger was.

Amateur magicians has cast light and fire spells with a hand gesture. Yet you think Krasus, an elder of the Kirin Tor and on top of that, an ancient dragon is forced to resort to a deadly spell to beat another fatal one. He spoke in an ancient language where a single flaw in the chant would be the death of him. How you can even say that it's just light and heat, I can't understand. Either you're just determined on being right, or you really don't understand Warcraft mysticism.

Now over to the actual PIS case. Deathwing is a world-known betrayer of all life, hunted, hated and currently plotting on setting the planet ablaze. Have the mortal races perish once and for all and rule the planet supreme. The only thing that can prove a problem to his plans, is if someone discover the true identity of Lord Prestor.

Deathwing, intelligent as he is, knows that the only way anyone will learn the truth is to dig into Prestor's past. The only one capable of such a feat is a talented magician. The only place where this can be done, is at Lord Prestor's residence.

To no surprise, Lord Prestor set magical traps. A trap an intruder through the ways of magic would spring. A trap that not even Krasus senses as he enters the residence through his spells. If a plan you've been planning for ten thousand years has a slight risk of being exposed, you guard that plan. As Deathwing did.

Now I ask you: Why would Deathwing, one of the greatest minds on the planet, guard his scheme with a spell any amateur can counter? He wouldn't.
If anyone intrude in his past, there's only one way to make sure everything remains a secret. The intruder must die.

I don't know about you, but if I wanted to keep such a big secret safe, I'm pretty sure I'd use a prohibited spell as well. After all, a spell of such age and with such a threat magnitude, only a few on the planet can do anything about.

Krasus was one of those few, but admitted by himself, if it had grown any further, he wouldn't have been able to stop it either.

So think. Think real hard. Then answer these two questions. The rest of my post can be ignored:
1. Do you think Korialstrasz is an idiot?
2. Do you think Neltharion is an idiot? [/B]

great so he chanted to make the fire and light...

No you see, you missed my point about cast times and such alongside the fact that the hunger seems more dangerous over time, which is prob why its prohibited it could "theoretically" given time have consumed most of the world.

When has this hand gesture been made? and if so, if he could create the same forces in a few gesture as his ancient spell then that outlines why PIS is the best possible answer, since the spell was not stated to have any other traits, apart from perhaps more intensity.

Thats all it says it is, ime not saying its just light and heat am I, thats what the book says, you want it to be more than it really is.

What knocks your argument down is the first wizard that came through did indeed counter it in what? his second spell or something? sure it may be impressive to you but other than that, obvioulsy it was not as impressive as you give it credit for.

To answer both, i think your looking further into it than the book wants you to, I think that Blizzard are just good writers, want to make interesting events like they do in most books (ive read the diablo series sinwar trilogy, so I see PIS in that as well) and need to hold up some of their story events with interesting situations yet not broken because of a lack of PIS. Theres always PIS when strong powers are involved at some point. This sounds to me like one of them.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No, the only thing that limits it is a gameplay system of the reaver absorbing enemies, this is shown to be non-canon gameplay mechanic and its illogical anyway. As i said, he may not be able to target mist, its like trying to target vapour,theres no evidence of him being able to heat up small particles and all it would do is make more mist.

Kain is not attacking adamantium, never have said he would. Well he is a sprawling mass beneath Nosgoth so he holds up a good amount of it. In-game it took numerous slashes, its unkown how many in-canon EG took, its also unkown if thats what Kain actually did, that was just gameplay, all we know is EG was only defeatable by the reaver. No it was pointed out very clear that most mortals had a soul and immortals ruined the cycle, even if we add a soul for the sake of debate and say the reaver was not strong enough to take it, thats a feat for the EG, DW still needs a soul resistance feat. healthy beings? EG is a spectoral entity, technically by LOK standards its neither dead, nor entirely alive. The soul reaver has not actually canonically absorbed the soul of anyone other than perhaps the Sarafan lord, which it killed in one canon strike, the swords function is to absorb the souls of those who it strikes, that is its function and its canon function throughout all the games, the fact it has few canon screen time is irrelvent, in truth theres no such thing as a weakened sarafan knight if hit by the reaver, they would be completly ripped apart by Kains strength and the sharpness of the blade, your playing on gameplay mechanics to underplay the SR, DW has no resistence to soul taking powers, simple as.

Or SR is destroying its very essence, you cant seem to understand what the EG is, Ime not sure I can show you either without you playing the game, ill try and find some vids but ill simply say that the EG is an enormous mass beneath the continent that is Nosgoth, every time Raziel finds a piece of him its in a diffrence place and its a diffrent form, the EG does not consist of one eye and a few tentacles lol...

He not have to lean at all, hes just going to sit there, likely not notice Kain considering how small he is in comparison and suddenly feel a cold numbness as his body drops to the ground and his conctious thought disapears. As i said above, playing on gameplay mechanics, Raziel opens his cowl and sucks souls, this same power is in the sword.

Nonsense and irrelvency just to try and make a counter argument, the Sarafan lord needing a stone is pis? what a stupid thing to say, its not stupidity on anyones part at all....

because the Demon soul was made to master the other dragons, theres no such basis for Kains powers. And i would like to see a quote of Nozmordus attack on DW without the Demon soul.

Or your opponent could be miles behind you channeling a paramout spell (DW would not necesserily know Kain spell list) or not even in the area.

Thats not what this says, this says the Demon soul caused the corruption:

http://www.wowwiki.com/Dragon_Soul

What is illogical that the reaver needs to wound the enemies in order to obtain their souls? Sounds perfectly logical to me, seen as how that has been the practise throughout the entire LoK serie, the Reaver has never as a “standard” been capable of ripping the souls, so it’s hardly irrelevant for this discussion, because you are placing all your fate in that it’s the way Kain is going to win. Why on earth does he need to target the Mist? He still has his breath and his AoE spells, Immolation, Rain of Fire, neither creates more for Kain to hide behind.

That would also be extremely stupid, but Kain still has to get past the adamantium in order to get a strike in. Proof please. While it’s correct that it’s gameplay it doesn’t change a lot, we saw that Kain cut through the tentacles, and we also know that he wounded the Elder God, but the most important thing we know is that he didn’t succeed in killing him, which further points towards that instant Soul steal and One Shit slashes isn’t enough to bring down a being of sufficient power. The Circle was ruined because the Immortals didn’t return to the wheel, they still had their soul, if they didn’t have it the Hylden Lord wouldn’t have felt a need to protect him with the Nexus stone against the Soul Reaver would he, would the arrogant Kain? Please don’t add a soul on my account, because it has already been shown that the Soul Reaver is incapable of claiming a Soul when it’s located in a shell, and I must admit that I fail to see how that suddenly turned into a feat for the Elder God that the Reaver couldn’t immediately claim a soul, like you have claimed all along that it was capable of. Healthy beings like the numerous Sarafan ore Vampire Hunters that Kain and Raziel battles. One Canon strike that killed the target, and then claimed the soul, frankly it has done a awful job trying to display that imo, the only being where it have stolen the Soul was a Dead Being. Has it stolen the Soul from a living being in the first strike so I fail to see how you can keep claiming that Kain wins through soul stealing, when the weapon he is supposed to use have never shown capable of performing the task you want it to do. The only thing I got right now is you overlooking dozens of fact that is being presented to you, The only thing you got is one incident of the Soul Reaver stealing a Soul and there the opponent died in the first slash, I have absolutely no reason to believe that, Deathwings soul would be stolen upon the reaver making contact with his flesh because it has never done it.

Frankly neither does you. What exactly do you have that proves that the Elder God is the one keeping up the entire Nosgoth Continent? Nothing really, there is no way you can prove that it’s just a part of him that we sees, again for all we know he could be teleporting himself around ore moving through the rocks underground. So sorry but that hardly proves anything.

Again sit on Hot plating, and btw how did Kain get through the magical Shield? Deathwing noticed and could pick a small insect that Malygos had conjured up upon his plating, if he can do that he can notice Kain aswell. And as shown in the Video the soul needs to either be without a holster ore the Holster needs to be weakened, neither of this is going to be the case after one thrust into Deathwings body even if he gets that far.

Frankly it’s you that is being Foolish BT, we here have a spell that all points towards that Kain has absolutely no way of counter, that has become more and more obvious as this discussion have advanced, yet you choose to pull the PIS card which isn’t even useable in the given situation, PIS stands for Plot Induced Stupidity, please explain how exactly you think that the describtion of PIS fits into what happened between Krasus and the Endless Hunger. Now allow me to explain why no defense from Kain ore the Sarafan was needed, as shown in the Video the Reaver doesn’t autosteal the soul when it gets struck neither is it of any danger to the wielder, It’s sharp and so on but the defense that the Stone could offer (against the soul steal which ofcause is the greatest threat) is something that was shown in Defiance as being irrelevant since normal mortals doesn’t get their soul stolen upon contact. Perhaps Plot Device is a better word, but neither is useable in the situation you labelled as PIS. If anything the Spell that Krasus used was a plot device to allow that he kept breathing.

It doesn’t make any difference when Deathwing withstood it without the Demon Soul. Sure

Nozdormu threw the sands at time at Deathwing and threatened atleast for a moment to stop him, he felt his body became weakened and his thoughts slow but before the effect was permanent the raw force of the Chaos Dragon poured forward and overcame the spell

True, but Deathwing has no reason to believe that Kain is capable of casting a spell of that magnitude, also added to this, is the fact that the Demon Soul throws all magical attacks back in the head of the attacker, so he wouldn’t have to worry about that, what he has to worry about is the Physical and what better way to counter it then what he did to Malygos? Additionally I was under the impression that the rules granted access to the knowledge that is normally associated with the given character.

They need to check their sources

They corrupted the great benevolent Dragon Aspect Neltharion, to create for them the extremely powerful Demon Soul which they empowered as well, to have Sargeras use to unintentionally set them free. The Demon Soul was taken from Neltharion by Malfurion, then taken from him by Illidan and put in the Sargeras-summoning matrix, then taken back by Neltharion, who shortly thereafter was struck away by the Old Gods, who wished to have the summoning completed. Malfurion picked up the Demon Soul after Neltharion dropped it, and used it (in conjunction with Illidan) to prevent Sargeras' entry. It was then given to the dragons, stolen by Nekros ten-thousand years later, taken back by the dragons, and then destroyed.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Old_Gods

And if you look at your own Quote it also mentions that it was the Old Gods that caused the corruption in the first place.

I sometimes wonder if Deathwing even has a soul anymore.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I sometimes wonder if Deathwing even has a soul anymore.

I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't 😛

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I sometimes wonder if Deathwing even has a soul anymore.

One could wonder that yes.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I debate, not feed trolls, which is why ill w8 for utrigitos to post for a debate. Although you, Moo and the rest of the kiddies can continue to troll this and other threads, ive reported you both btw.

Should I count "kiddies" as "childish" variation?

Edit: Meh, I will.

Originally posted by Utrigita
What is illogical that the reaver needs to wound the enemies in order to obtain their souls? Sounds perfectly logical to me, seen as how that has been the practise throughout the entire LoK serie, the Reaver has never as a “standard” been capable of ripping the souls, so it’s hardly irrelevant for this discussion, because you are placing all your fate in that it’s the way Kain is going to win. Why on earth does he need to target the Mist? He still has his breath and his AoE spells, Immolation, Rain of Fire, neither creates more for Kain to hide behind.

That would also be extremely stupid, but Kain still has to get past the adamantium in order to get a strike in. Proof please. While it’s correct that it’s gameplay it doesn’t change a lot, we saw that Kain cut through the tentacles, and we also know that he wounded the Elder God, but the most important thing we know is that he didn’t succeed in killing him, which further points towards that instant Soul steal and One Shit slashes isn’t enough to bring down a being of sufficient power. The Circle was ruined because the Immortals didn’t return to the wheel, they still had their soul, if they didn’t have it the Hylden Lord wouldn’t have felt a need to protect him with the Nexus stone against the Soul Reaver would he, would the arrogant Kain? Please don’t add a soul on my account, because it has already been shown that the Soul Reaver is incapable of claiming a Soul when it’s located in a shell, and I must admit that I fail to see how that suddenly turned into a feat for the Elder God that the Reaver couldn’t immediately claim a soul, like you have claimed all along that it was capable of. Healthy beings like the numerous Sarafan ore Vampire Hunters that Kain and Raziel battles. One Canon strike that killed the target, and then claimed the soul, frankly it has done a awful job trying to display that imo, the only being where it have stolen the Soul was a Dead Being. Has it stolen the Soul from a living being in the first strike so I fail to see how you can keep claiming that Kain wins through soul stealing, when the weapon he is supposed to use have never shown capable of performing the task you want it to do. The only thing I got right now is you overlooking dozens of fact that is being presented to you, The only thing you got is one incident of the Soul Reaver stealing a Soul and there the opponent died in the first slash, I have absolutely no reason to believe that, Deathwings soul would be stolen upon the reaver making contact with his flesh because it has never done it.

Frankly neither does you. What exactly do you have that proves that the Elder God is the one keeping up the entire Nosgoth Continent? Nothing really, there is no way you can prove that it’s just a part of him that we sees, again for all we know he could be teleporting himself around ore moving through the rocks underground. So sorry but that hardly proves anything.

Again sit on Hot plating, and btw how did Kain get through the magical Shield? Deathwing noticed and could pick a small insect that Malygos had conjured up upon his plating, if he can do that he can notice Kain aswell. And as shown in the Video the soul needs to either be without a holster ore the Holster needs to be weakened, neither of this is going to be the case after one thrust into Deathwings body even if he gets that far.

Frankly it’s you that is being Foolish BT, we here have a spell that all points towards that Kain has absolutely no way of counter, that has become more and more obvious as this discussion have advanced, yet you choose to pull the PIS card which isn’t even useable in the given situation, PIS stands for Plot Induced Stupidity, please explain how exactly you think that the describtion of PIS fits into what happened between Krasus and the Endless Hunger. Now allow me to explain why no defense from Kain ore the Sarafan was needed, as shown in the Video the Reaver doesn’t autosteal the soul when it gets struck neither is it of any danger to the wielder, It’s sharp and so on but the defense that the Stone could offer (against the soul steal which ofcause is the greatest threat) is something that was shown in Defiance as being irrelevant since normal mortals doesn’t get their soul stolen upon contact. Perhaps Plot Device is a better word, but neither is useable in the situation you labelled as PIS. If anything the Spell that Krasus used was a plot device to allow that he kept breathing.

It doesn’t make any difference when Deathwing withstood it without the Demon Soul. Sure

Again get the English version if you want it without the obvious translation error.

True, but Deathwing has no reason to believe that Kain is capable of casting a spell of that magnitude, also added to this, is the fact that the Demon Soul throws all magical attacks back in the head of the attacker, so he wouldn’t have to worry about that, what he has to worry about is the Physical and what better way to counter it then what he did to Malygos? Additionally I was under the impression that the rules granted access to the knowledge that is normally associated with the given character.

They need to check their sources

http://www.wowwiki.com/Old_Gods

And if you look at your own Quote it also mentions that it was the Old Gods that caused the corruption in the first place.

Because taking a soul is nothing to do with destroying the flesh, its the other way round in LOK, if you destroy the soul the body usually dies with it, its like that in Bo1, whch is the only time you can use the SR against anyone other than bosses. And it one strikes them, destroying them and their souls or vice versa, Kain himself says that the sword takes the souls of those he strikes, not the souls of those he kills. Also he has a spell that rips souls as well, reason i brought that up is that that does not need his opponent "weakened" before he can use it and their body dissolves after their soul is gone. Your playing on nothing but gameplay mechanics, the same mechanics where Kain slashes a sarafan knight 6+ times before it dies.

All these spells hes going to use at the same time as casting endless hunger, rolling and dashing with Kain on his back? etc etc, I think we need to make a more clear debate on what the characters are going to do.

Nope, he does not have to get past adamantium, not unless you can prove it covers ever half inch of his body including eyes, mouth, that there are no joints for him to move etc.

Red herring, but ill provide proof for EG when it becomes relevent. It points to nothing apart from that the EG resists soul steal or has no soul, your talking irelevenicies and making no sense whatsoever, power of a being? that makes no sense, the sword takes the soul, the fact the being can lift huge rocks, throw fireballs, work magic with its physical or non physical form means nothing to the soul, saying just because a being is apprently powerful means nothing on its soul resistence, otherwise Kain is more powerful than a rock which is the only thing DW has used melt on, so he is immune....

The soul reaver as ive mentioned has not canonically struck any foe other than Raziels former self, which in the canon was killed in one hit anyway. In canon on the other hand its stated all the time the Soul reaver takes the soul, Kain said on strike, Kain>you and gameplay mechanics as does the logic thats behind why the soul reaver sucks souls.

The point is that the EG is capable of taking out most of Warcraft, your red herrings are irrelvent, and you claiming I dont know who the EG is after playing all the LOK games is laughable when your basing it on what evidence I provided, which is irrelvent anyway, fact is hes beneath the ground and extremely deep so the pressure of the mantle is not enough to crush or damage him.

Hot adamantium plating? sorry but the metal does not exist, give me a reason why Deathwing does not melt through the ground when he walks over it or has a constant shimmer, tell me why this heat does not set light to his surroundings as soon as he arrives?

One teleport is its counter, plot induced stupidity is Krasus not using a couple of his basic spells like light and fire to defeat the hunger other than this more interesting/exciting spell that could kill him to increase the intrigue in the book rather than having this spell defence. defeated with ease which would be boring. The reaver shows nothing useful to you.

He overcame the spell, the spell was not actually in effect at the time, the quote clearly says that "before the effect was permanent".

DW has no reason to belive kain a threat at all, so he prob wouldnt cast a huge AOE explosion that knocked an aspect across the planet anyway considering your logic. Ive not seen actual proof for the DS throwing all spells back at Kain yet.

Check their sources? that does not contradict that the souls corruption was the thing that damaged neltharians body....the EG corrupted Neltharian mentally sure, but the physical damage comes from the soul.

Originally posted by Phantom Miria
1. Do you think Korialstrasz is an idiot?
2. Do you think Neltharion is an idiot? [/B]

Far from it. If this was Marvel or DC, they would have the superpower "Super Intelligence". They are both Azerothian masterminds.

Originally posted by Burning thought
All these spells hes going to use at the same time as casting endless hunger, rolling and dashing with Kain on his back? etc etc, I think we need to make a more clear debate on what the characters are going to do.

Nope, he does not have to get past adamantium, not unless you can prove it covers ever half inch of his body including eyes, mouth, that there are no joints for him to move etc.

Red herring, but ill provide proof for EG when it becomes relevent. It points to nothing apart from that the EG resists soul steal or has no soul, your talking irelevenicies and making no sense whatsoever, power of a being? that makes no sense, the sword takes the soul, the fact the being can lift huge rocks, throw fireballs, work magic with its physical or non physical form means nothing to the soul, saying just because a being is apprently powerful means nothing on its soul resistence, otherwise Kain is more powerful than a rock which is the only thing DW has used melt on, so he is immune....

The soul reaver as ive mentioned has not canonically struck any foe other than Raziels former self, which in the canon was killed in one hit anyway. In canon on the other hand its stated all the time the Soul reaver takes the soul, Kain said on strike, Kain>you and gameplay mechanics as does the logic thats behind why the soul reaver sucks souls.

The point is that the EG is capable of taking out most of Warcraft, your red herrings are irrelvent, and you claiming I dont know who the EG is after playing all the LOK games is laughable when your basing it on what evidence I provided, which is irrelvent anyway, fact is hes beneath the ground and extremely deep so the pressure of the mantle is not enough to crush or damage him.

Hot adamantium plating? sorry but the metal does not exist, give me a reason why Deathwing does not melt through the ground when he walks over it or has a constant shimmer, tell me why this heat does not set light to his surroundings as soon as he arrives?

One teleport is its counter, plot induced stupidity is Krasus not using a couple of his basic spells like light and fire to defeat the hunger other than this more interesting/exciting spell that could kill him to increase the intrigue in the book rather than having this spell defence. defeated with ease which would be boring. The reaver shows nothing useful to you.

He overcame the spell, the spell was not actually in effect at the time, the quote clearly says that "before the effect was permanent".

DW has no reason to belive kain a threat at all, so he prob wouldnt cast a huge AOE explosion that knocked an aspect across the planet anyway considering your logic. Ive not seen actual proof for the DS throwing all spells back at Kain yet.

Check their sources? that does not contradict that the souls corruption was the thing that damaged neltharians body....the EG corrupted Neltharian mentally sure, but the physical damage comes from the soul.

Sorry but in each incident in LoK it has something to do with that, same in Warcraft. In a speciel mode you mentioned so earlier, it wasn’t it standard attack, and if Kain tries to use his magic to steal the soul of Deathwing he gets it thrown right back in his face. You mentioned below that the Reaver has oneshotted the Sarafan Lord, with that in mind how many do you seriously think that have survived being struck by the Soul Reaver if we only take that into consideration (because the numerous other incidents where it didn’t steal the Soul on the first hit obviously contradict Kain), as mentioned above it’s a spell correct? Then it isn’t getting past the Demon Soul and as mentioned further below, Warlocks in Warcraft has access to Soul destroying, stealing abilities (Nekros that had the Demon Soul was a warlock and he could do absolutely nothing against Deathwing), I’m going on what the Soul Reaver has shown capable of accomplishing against healthy opponents other sources seems to be rather thin on the subject.

I have already outlined the strategy I think Deathwing is going to use, why should I mention it again, it’s a few posts back.

It isn’t up to you to decide when you think the statement you made requires evidence just like it wasn’t up to me to decide when you wanted the quotes from the book’s, it’s up to the opposite part (in this case me) and I would like it as soon as possible. What beings have you encountered in LoK that didn’t have a soul? I would like the numbers of soulless beings in LoK to narrow down either the possibility ore the lack of it on whether ore not the Elder God has a Soul. The power of a being most certainly plays a role, first of it helps the being to avoid the soul steal in the first place (by avoiding the attacks, it’s only logical that the more powerful the being is the easier it will become) secondly in Warcraft the ability to steal a Soul isn’t a uncommon ability, regular warlocks has it so the chances in itself that Deathwing would be vulnerable to soul steal’s is unlikely, thirdly in cases that have been presented (except one in Warcraft) so far both in Warcraft and LoK the being that you are going to steal the soul from has to be dead, you haven’t BT provided anything at all that suggest that the touch from the Reaver alone is enough. There is a great difference between the Rock example and the attack you are supporting, When you are melting a rock only the durability of the rock should be important and it’s resistance to damage (which is basically the same as durability) where as a soul is a much more complex item to attack, I hope you can see that.

So now it has strucked both the Sarafan Lord and the Raziel, the numbers at least increases, but I fail to see how exactly it helps your argument in any way (after all Kain more ore less knew that the spirit reaver would bind itself to Raziel), and the Sarafan Lord still died before his Soul was claimed, Also you are forgetting that the Soul Reaver has in Canon struck the Elder God and failed to steal it’s Soul, also are you know denying that Kain has fought in Canon through the enemies that he did in the Games? On immediate contact ore when the targets died, additionally proof of these numerous times would be nice. Yes Kain > me, just like Krasus > you on what could stop the Endless Hunger yet somehow you continue to think that you know better then Krasus, I’m not pretending that I know better then Kain, but fact remains that his sword have failed to steal the soul on numerous Enemies on strike alone. Also Found this

When Raziel allowed his soul to be drawn into the Reaver

Hardly supports your statement.

The frankly part was a reference to the fact that you didn’t know whether ore not the Elder God has a Soul what you have done so far is from my point of view only speculating on the subject. I see nothing in that post that even remotely covers your previous statement that the Elder God is continental in size. You have provided Evidence for the Nexus stone and nothing else so far, while I have only failed to provide you with the actual quotes on One (two?) occasions, you haven’t brought me a single shred of evidence that helps the foundation of your argument (Kain soul steal with Reaver = Win)

Yes hot Adamantium plating. You are correct however basic science shouldn’t be totally neglected, can you find me one Metal that isn’t going to get heated if you place it in molten Lava? Please by all means go ahead. We isn’t talking Sargeras level temperatures, also as I believe mentioned he can to some degree control it even disregarding that, to know suggest that Deathwing haven’t in his last 10.000 years managed to weave a spell that could suppress it so his surroundings wouldn’t be affected is disregarding what we know about Deathwing as a mage.

The Stone certainly helped a lot if the canon is that the Sarafan Lord died with one strike. That is pure nonsense, Obviously you have a wrong understand off that PIS actually means, PIS is when Flash doesn’t knock out his opponent in the first page of the Comic, ore when Firelord (Mid level Herald) loses to Spiderman, in this case Plot Induced STUPIDITY would be if Neltharion hadn’t guarded his mansion (to allow Krasus to enter unhindered), then Neltharion would have jobbed for the sake of the plot, Krasus didn’t Job for the sake of the plot, Krasus stretched his abilities and knowledge to its limit and barely survived. As a weapon against Deathwing that is going to kill him in the first strike according to you? No. Is it a great weapon, yes but here it’s up against a being that it’s from my point of view while be lucky if it can damage much less kill Deathwing.

The spell began to affect him, but he disabled it before it could overcome him, this shows that Deathwing without the Demon Soul has a resistance to timebased attacks, so I see no reason why Deathwing with the demon soul and the power (according to DotD) of Nozdormu should be unable to accomplish the exact same feat.

Why exactly wouldn’t he? If you got a better suggestion on how to clear the immediate area around yourself when your opponent vanish from sight please go ahead, if you would do something different then please by all means enlighten me. I haven’t seen proof that the Soul Reaver can instantly steal a beings soul upon contact.

Even if it did (which I don’t recall at all being the case but fair enough) what relevance does it have?

(sorry I had to cut away some of your post but the post got to long.)

Originally posted by Utrigita
The Stone certainly helped a lot if the canon is that the Sarafan Lord died with one strike. That is pure nonsense, Obviously you have a wrong understand off that PIS actually means, PIS is when Flash doesn’t knock out his opponent in the first page of the Comic, ore when Firelord (Mid level Herald) loses to Spiderman, in this case Plot Induced STUPIDITY would be if Neltharion hadn’t guarded his mansion (to allow Krasus to enter unhindered), then Neltharion would have jobbed for the sake of the plot, Krasus didn’t Job for the sake of the plot, Krasus stretched his abilities and knowledge to its limit and barely survived. As a weapon against Deathwing that is going to kill him in the first strike according to you? No. Is it a great weapon, yes but here it’s up against a being that it’s from my point of view while be lucky if it can damage much less kill Deathwing.

When I came to that part of DotD, there was not a single bit of surprise in my mind. Both Neltharion and Korialstrasz lived up to what's expected of them. Neltharion is smart enough to set a trap so dangerous, that mortal magicians as well as most immortal magicians and even eternal level magicians would die from it.
Korialstrasz would later come to narrate that he in fact had studied the magical arts longer than most, since ancient times. When other dragons had soared the skies, he had studied magic. The fact that Korlaistrasz was forced to bring up a spell that was virtually an unknown is not only a feat worth respecting Deathwing for, but him as well. Both the fact that he knew of this, and that he succeeded in casting it.

Korialstrasz is acknowledged by each member of The Six seperately to be the most powerful in the Kirin Tor. That's not a title lightly given, especially as the Kirin Tor (As stated by Medivh) are conceited as well as arrogant magicians. Deathwing later commendated the mystical intruder of his mansion for having survived the Endless Hunger. Worth mentioning, Deathwing is even tougher to have compliment someone else than The Six. The only other Deathwing has complimented, is Medivh.

Truth be told, if there's any PIS at all in this encounter, it's that Lord Prestor did not have a better concealed past, or worked out. Korialstrasz uncovered more than he was supposed to not due to what Deathwing did, but rather discovered due to the lack of a background.