Mace vs Bane

Originally posted by Incanus
Yeah, but say he is able to immobilize Mace long enough using a power he learned from Revan, or Nadds holocron, what about then? Mace would be screwed if Bane pulled a force storm off. He may even be able to change the weather of the planet using that power. Idk. Maybe.

Yeah, but he did learn force techniques from those holocrons, and Belia Darzu's. He may not have shown them yet, but he has. What Sith Lord would NOT put all their knowledge in their holocrons, which were where they stored all their knowledge? Maybe he learned an advanced form of stasis field that works on powerful force users. Maybe not. But still, it would be a good fight. And if Bane dosnt use lightning, then the Orbalisks would protect him from Maces lightsaber, he could swat it away and decapitate him, like he did to Farfalla. I should quote Farfalla with this, remember, an echani jedi wapons master, and him, empowered by battle meditaition, were fighting him at the same time: "Hes to strong. Both physically and in the force. Its like fighting a force of nature. We cant do this alone." Johun! Sarro! We need reinforcements!" I think that that would be kind of hard for Mace to fight that. Even though Vapaad owns dark siders, Mace would have a killer fight. Btw, both were jedi masters, with an Ithorian jedi master who focused on perfecting his battle meditation empowered them.

Yes true. But Johun was something of an impediment, and Farfalla's graceful style of dueling (most likely Makashi) has nothing on Mace's Vaapad. And in terms of generality, I'd substitute Bane's stalemate against 3 opponents empowered by Battle Mediditation for Mace's Vaapad and Shatterpoint any day.

Originally posted by Incanus
Yeah, but he did learn force techniques from those holocrons, and Belia Darzu's. He may not have shown them yet, but he has. What Sith Lord would NOT put all their knowledge in their holocrons, which were where they stored all their knowledge? Maybe he learned an advanced form of stasis field that works on powerful force users. Maybe not. But still, it would be a good fight. And if Bane dosnt use lightning, then the Orbalisks would protect him from Maces lightsaber, he could swat it away and decapitate him, like he did to Farfalla. I should quote Farfalla with this, remember, an echani jedi wapons master, and him, empowered by battle meditaition, were fighting him at the same time: "Hes to strong. Both physically and in the force. Its like fighting a force of nature. We cant do this alone." Johun! Sarro! We need reinforcements!" I think that that would be kind of hard for Mace to fight that. Even though Vapaad owns dark siders, Mace would have a killer fight. Btw, both were jedi masters, with an Ithorian jedi master who focused on perfecting his battle meditation empowered them.

according to GL's statement that the PT jedi are the golden age of Lightsaber combatants that makes all the jedi in that fight<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<to Mace.

Ok, shatterpoint shows Mace his enemies weak spots right? Well, how accurate is his lightsaber? Can he guide it to a very small joint without a master of battle meditation, and the enchani thrived off Johun being there, it said so in the book. And if he hits the joints, he will think Bane is dead, but Bane would be more powerful from the pain, the Orbalisks would heal him, then Mace would be freaked out how he nearly chopped off the dudes arm2, then he uses that arm to keep fighting like nothing happened. @ xxxpoppunker182 And dude, Tulak Hord would utterly destroy ANY jedi of the era in pure lightsaber combat, as they are probably less than children playing with toys compared to them.

Originally posted by Incanus
Ok, shatterpoint shows Mace his enemies weak spots right? Well, how accurate is his lightsaber? Can he guide it to a very small joint without a master of battle meditation, and the enchani thrived off Johun being there, it said so in the book. And if he hits the joints, he will think Bane is dead, but Bane would be more powerful from the pain, the Orbalisks would heal him, then Mace would be freaked out how he nearly chopped off the dudes arm, then he uses that arm to keep fighting like nothing happened.

not if mace cuts his head off

and shatterpoint points out ALL weakness's believe it or not those orbalisks on him would FALL off of bane if one knew their weakness which shatterpoint shows mace.

and how old are you? you sound like you're 14 and like you just want bane to win so you disregaurd some cannon evidence which makes you a fanboy

Uhhh, i havnt read any of those things that indicate Mace would win, so its more like lack of material evidence. And the only weakness in the orbalisks is electricity, and does Mace know force lightning? i thought not. And I am not a Bane fanboy. Only lack of material, and i read the Bane books.

Originally posted by Incanus
@ xxxpoppunker182 And dude, Tulak Hord would utterly destroy ANY jedi of the era in pure lightsaber combat, as they are probably less than children playing with toys compared to them.

Originally posted by Incanus
Uhhh, i havnt read any of those things that indicate Mace would win, so its more like lack of material evidence. And the only weakness in the orbalisks is electricity, and does Mace know force lightning? i thought not. And I am not a Bane fanboy. Only lack of material, and i read the Bane books.

wookieepedia.com

check this out and consult this site on information on SW characters and come to a conclusion about the outcome of vs's fights before making threads. and whenever you hear about something you don't know of go there and look it up.

here is the definition of shatterpoint.

Shatterpoints were perceived like faults in a Corusca gem. In relation to events, a single "strike," or action, could cause events to transpire completely differently than they might otherwise have. Often, shatterpoints existed for only brief moments, as they could be affected by even the smallest actions.[1] Shatterpoints could also be discovered in the physiology of living beings. Cade Skywalker was able to perceive shatterpoints in Darth Talon, whom he had previously healed from mortal injury. By focusing through the Force on where the healing had taken place, Skywalker was able to see where her old wounds were, and reopen them. [2]

When applied to physical items, shatterpoints worked much in the same manner. An individual would view an item through the Force, noting where it came together and also noting weak points in its composition. By allowing the Force to surge through them into the weak point, individuals could effectively "shatter" the object, causing it to break into multiple fragments. Because the Force granted supernatural ability to those who were adept in its use, materials thought to be near-indestructible were easily destroyed. Such was the case with Jedi Knight Jaina Solo, who effortlessly shattered a disc of pure beskar while practicing the technique under her uncle, Luke Skywalker. [3]

What makes you think Bane didnt learn this if it had been discovered in his time? And i have read Banes wookieepedia, but not Mace's. Wolverine thinks that none of it can be used here. It can, and i know that, but i just havnt read Mace's.

Originally posted by Incanus
What makes you think Bane didnt learn this if it had been discovered in his time? And i have read Banes wookieepedia, but not Mace's. Wolverine thinks that none of it can be used here. It can, and i know that, but i just havnt read Mace's.

@Incanus as to Tulak hord Lucien proved you wrong with canon now let me show you the error of your conclusion.

Kraya is an IN universe character who just so happens to be a master manipulator and a treacherous liar Sith Lord. NOTHING she say's in game is can be taken as infallible accept for the ending remarks on the LS ending and maybe some others.

Mace wins this. As has been said before his skill with Vaapad will easily give him an edge, factor in his shatterpoints and its a victory for Mace.

Beyond that Mace has shown some insane force feats that even would make Bane gasp in awe such as sending hundreds of battle droids away with a push and easily pushing away a AT-TE.

I finally read Maces page, and yeah, he may be able to win. Shatterpoint would be huge factor in getting past the Orbalisks, but what about Banes skill with a lightsaber? And Mace would gasp in awe when hhe saw Bane as a relitively untrained sith (he had maybe a year or so)crush a temple with 1 single blast. While it probably took Mace years to be able to do hwat he did, i think Banes was a little more impressive. And yes, i am losing right now, but my material for Bane is a bit limited. Even with wookieepedia. And Kreia wasnt lying when she said those things about the sith that were entombed upon Korriban, why would she? It wouldnt help the Exile, or hurt her.

Originally posted by Incanus
I finally read Maces page, and yeah, he may be able to win. Shatterpoint would be huge factor in getting past the Orbalisks, but what about Banes skill with a lightsaber? And Mace would gasp in awe when hhe saw Bane as a relitively untrained sith (he had maybe a year or so)crush a temple with 1 single blast. While it probably took Mace years to be able to do hwat he did, i think Banes was a little more impressive. And yes, i am losing right now, but my material for Bane is a bit limited. Even with wookieepedia. And Kreia wasnt lying when she said those things about the sith that were entombed upon Korriban, why would she? It wouldnt help the Exile, or hurt her.

And Kreia was lieing. Even if the game designers didn't intend her to, it contradicts Lucas' statement of the PT being the best of the best of the Jedi Order--ever. In fact, the only way to avoid Kreia lieing in this case is if she is comparing the Ancients to the KotOR era, with no nevermind towards the later PT which is superior to both of the older time frames.

Ok then. But Bane would more likely have been revived than Mace going back in time. Like what happened to Sidious, only with his original corpse. That would be freaky, Bane be brought back to life on Lehon. Or wherever he is buried. I still think Mace would have a hard time killing Bane, dont you?

Definitely, very hard indeed. Bane is anything but lightweight. He's at least 3rd or 4th on the most powerful Sith list. But ultimately, in any evenly set situation which doesn't involve PIS or handicaps---Mace will win.

Yeah, most likely. But Bane still has 1 advatage: Mace may have created Vapaad, but Bane would most likely find a form that he knows to effectively counter it. He knew every single lightsaber form, including Jar'Kai at a later age, as when he went to Tython. But as long as 1 orbalisk is attached to Bane, which Shatterpoint can only break where they are connected, not break the entire thing, but as long as 1 survives, Bane can be stabbed and heal almost immediatly. Dont forget, that Mace would have to hit Bane before he knew he couldnt be killed by a lightsaber. then he would try the rest of Banes body, all while trying to fend off Banes reckless pounding. It would be hard for anyone to do that. Bane has a chance of winning, no denying. and it is a decent chance, Mace just has a better.

Originally posted by Incanus
Yeah, most likely. But Bane still has 1 advatage: Mace may have created Vapaad, but Bane would most likely find a form that he knows to effectively counter it. He knew every single lightsaber form, including Jar'Kai at a later age, as when he went to Tython. But as long as 1 orbalisk is attached to Bane, which Shatterpoint can only break where they are connected, not break the entire thing, but as long as 1 survives, Bane can be stabbed and heal almost immediatly. Dont forget, that Mace would have to hit Bane before he knew he couldnt be killed by a lightsaber. then he would try the rest of Banes body, all while trying to fend off Banes reckless pounding. It would be hard for anyone to do that. Bane has a chance of winning, no denying. and it is a decent chance, Mace just has a better.

Dude to be a master of vaapad( which is maces adaptation to juyo) you must learn and be very well trained in like 4 other lightsaber forms and there is no counter to vaapad's superconducting loop

Dude, Vapaad I know is almost if not purely offense. Bane has masted Soresu and Ataru, which are almost purely defensive forms. I think with his dueling skills, the orbalisks, and his raw power he would hold Mace off till they are both extremely tired.