Originally posted by Incanus
Uhh, maybe Banes shatterpoint is Zannah? He is focused on training her till he dies, and that is his ONLY focus. He has no goal other than to train the person who will succeed him. I doubt Mace would hold off both Zannah AND Bane, which it would come to if he tried to kill her.
i am positive zannah isnt his ONLY SHATTERPOINT u are clearly reaching for any excuse to make bane
u are a complete and utter fanboy
dude, i am only thinking from a few months after reading the book, so i cant remmeber all of Banes weaknesses. I know lightning is one, and so is Zannah, obviously. There is a small joint connetcting the orbalisks that they left exposed, but they cover the other side, so you cant cut all the way thru. That spot dosnt matter then, because the orbalisks will heal him in a second or two.
Originally posted by Eminence
The implication is that Grievous couldn't "replicate" Vaapad because he wasn't a Force-sensitive, and therefore was unable to even attempt the "technique of dark flirtation." A few moments of dueling seems to be enough time for him to mimic much of the physical nature of the form, though.
ares834That's pretty much exactly what I just said.
I don't see your "implication" at all. What I see is that Greivous is unable to replicate the state of mind which is as important to the form as the moves which the General seemingly leanred.
poppunker
i am positive zannah isnt his ONLY SHATTERPOINT
Eminence
This would be an obvious indicator that individuals don't necessarily have to have combat-related shatterpoints, which, if I'm understanding him correctly, was Neph's point. Palpatine's greatest flaw was that he had complete faith in Anakin; that's irrelevant in a situation like the one we're discussing, a versus match.Bane's "weak places" would be his head, wrists, and ankles. If you want to call those "shatterpoints" go right ahead, but then you may as well note eyeballs, extremities, and genitals to be [mostly?] universal shatterpoints. You wouldn't necessarily be wrong, it just isn't a very relevant conclusion.
IncanusIf I'm reading it right, this is actually correct. I believe what he's saying is that while a lightsaber may be able to penetrate the underside of an orbalisk, it'll still have to cut through the shell on the way out, which it can't.
No, the inside of the shell. The skin is suceptible, but not the shell. The shell is immune to virtually any weapon.
But I have to ask, how is this relevant? No one's going to be attacking the inside of the orbalisks while they're still attached to Bane.
@ Incanus and Eminence
yes the shell of orbalisks is impenetrable to lightsabers BUT do you know what happens when you KILL the orbalisk? It falls off right after it injects you with poison.
That + the force behind the thrust of the lightsaber blade WOULD cut his hand off.
@Eminence
It really isn't a big deal but I am right so at this point I'm just defending my own honor.
I seem to have swept myself off my feet........
Here is an example of VALID abc:
Mace Windu beat Sidious.
Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu_XLDlDWLQ
Most claim that Sidious is the most powerful sith of all time.
Proof: Read all of the numerous Sidious vs X sith threads.
Question to Bane supporters: If Mace Windu is capable of defeating the most powerful sith of all time, then why can't he defeat the not-most powerful sith of all time? Does Bane have some special advantage over Mace Windu that Sidious doesn't?
Suspected rebuttal: That's ABC!!!!!!!
Rebuttal to rebuttal: ABCs are sometimes inaccurate because A only beats B due to some advantage/circumstance that would not apply to A vs C. For example: A bomber could blow up a tank, and I'm pretty sure that a tank could blow up a bunch of SAMS. Does that mean that a bomber has the advantage over a bunch of SAMS? In this scenario however, A (Mace Windu) beat B (Sidious) due to great skill (albiet not superior to Sidious's), vapaad and shatterpoint, ALL OF WHICH STILL APPLY TO A vs C (Bane).
Conclusion: Mace Windu could PROBABLY defeat Bane.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Here is an example of VALID abc:Mace Windu beat Sidious.
Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu_XLDlDWLQ
Most claim that Sidious is the most powerful sith of all time.
Proof: Read all of the numerous Sidious vs X sith threads.
Question to Bane supporters: If Mace Windu is capable of defeating the most powerful sith of all time, then why can't he defeat the not-most powerful sith of all time? Does Bane have some special advantage over Mace Windu that Sidious doesn't?
Suspected rebuttal: That's ABC!!!!!!!
Rebuttal to rebuttal: ABCs are sometimes inaccurate because A only beats B due to some advantage/circumstance that would not apply to A vs C. For example: A bomber could blow up a tank, and I'm pretty sure that a tank could blow up a bunch of SAMS. Does that mean that a bomber has the advantage over a bunch of SAMS? In this scenario however, A (Mace Windu) beat B (Sidious) due to great skill (albiet not superior to Sidious's), vapaad and shatterpoint, ALL OF WHICH STILL APPLY TO A vs C (Bane).
Conclusion: Mace Windu could PROBABLY defeat Bane.
Well, it's still not entirely valid because the Sids vs Mace fight was in a closed area and it was a lightsaber fight, not a force battle.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Well, it's still not entirely valid because the Sids vs Mace fight was in a closed area and it was a lightsaber fight, not a force battle.
How wasn't it also a force battle?
Sidious used the force to boost his speed.
Mace used his force techniques to put Sidious on his ass and deflect Sidious force lightning.
Sidious used force lightning.
Originally posted by Incanus
But Bane would make a concussive force that would pulverize every bone in Maces body if he couldnt protect himself from it to at least a moderate degree. I would say Mace at least 5-6/10 with Bane winning the rest. Very good fight though.
no darkside energy bane unleashes will touch mace because of vaapad.
Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
see how this in the can kid makes shit up?
Do you think I'm making stuff up?