Mace vs Bane

no darkside energy bane unleashes will touch mace because of vaapad

How is a Force Push 'darkside energy'?

But it is not always darkside energy Bane unleashes, as in a spectrum of it he is using force push, which is more of a neutral power. However it is almost always dark side energy. And if Mace's bones are a liquid or jelly, do you really think Vapaad will matter?

Originally posted by Nephthys
How is a Force Push 'darkside energy'?

I actually agree with Incanus for the most part on this one.

Bane using force push isn't the same thing as letting his rage/anger/whatever he uses as his main focus to call on the darkside to unleash a blast that devastating.

So ya I interpret that as a darkside blast.

The bone crushing wave is his form of advanced force push. He used it before he became truly powerful in the darkside. It was in POD. On Lehon.

Originally posted by Incanus
The bone crushing wave is his form of advanced force push. He used it before he became truly powerful in the darkside. It was in POD. On Lehon.

if he called upon the darkside to do it regardless of how powerful in the darkside he is it's still darkside energy.

Originally posted by Nephthys
How is a Force Push 'darkside energy'?

theres no such thing as a "neutral power". the only thing that determines the alignment of an ability is the users intent and his mindset. dark siders use the force by harnessing their hatred and compassion so it doesnt matter what "type" of move it is the move itself doesnt actually require dark side or light energy specifically. thats why luke and mace and that creek freezing guy can use stuff like crush and choke and lightning and still be lightsiders. the type of energy used depends on the users alignment.

bane harnesses the force by using his anger so any force attack he uses will be powered by the dark side.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
... both Mace and Bane should be overawed at that fact that Mace has time traveled back to face him---sup with that?

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Ms.Marvel
bane harnesses the force by using his anger so any force attack he uses will be powered by the dark side.

Originally posted by Eminence
Techniques like crush or choke are simply telekinesis used with malicious intent. They aren't composed of "dark energy."

Originally posted by Eminence
Techniques like crush or choke are simply telekinesis used with malicious intent. They aren't composed of "dark energy."

those are still darkside powers.

Yes, because if you use them you have most likely fallen ,to the dark side, or are a believer in the Potentium. Or maybe you are like Luke ad remade the powers into lighside powers. Kyle Katarn used them, and he wasnt a dark sider. He always used choke and such with the intent to kill(malicious) stormtroopers, and he always gave off lightside energies doing it. The force has no light or dark, it is the intent of the user on how to use them. So if Bane uses the powers trying to utterly destroy Mace, then it is dark side. If he intends to hurt not kill, then it is not. If he intends to kill, but not leave Mace as a pile of jelly, then it is not dark side.(May be a little hypocrisy here but i couldnt think of any other wordings that wouldnt make it sound like it.)

Originally posted by Eminence
Techniques like crush or choke are simply telekinesis used with malicious intent. They aren't composed of "dark energy."

almost none of the force powers in the mythos use actual dark energy but many of them are considered dark side techniques... which further proves my point. what matters is what you feel inside you when you use it more then the actual nature of the technique.

a force push is simple TK but it still involves you connecting to the force itself. so if you connect to the force by using your anger and hatred then imo your force push will still be evil in nature.

Originally posted by Incanus
Yes, because if you use them you have most likely fallen ,to the dark side, or are a believer in the Potentium. Or maybe you are like Luke ad remade the powers into lighside powers.

when did luke remake powers into lightside powers?

The point is vaapad is a superconductive loop of darkside energy and if they are calling upon the darkside to do ANYTHING it's still the darkside and it still goes back at the user.

Electric jusgement is like force lightning, right? he shoots lightning from his fingers....... And Bane has been established as a good duelist, but Mace more so. I htink Mace would win with lightsabers if he could exploint Banes Shatterpoint(s), but in force i think Bane wins.

Originally posted by Incanus
Electric jusgement is like force lightning, right? he shoots lightning from his fingers....... And Bane has been established as a good duelist, but Mace more so. I htink Mace would win with lightsabers if he could exploint Banes Shatterpoint(s), but in force i think Bane wins.

Lukes electric judgement in the last NJO book wasn't just lightside lightning it wasn't even electric judgement it was something completely new.

Oh........ havnt read any books except part of one couldnt keep it for long.......

Wow, I really don't come here often anymore. Excuse me for the late reply.

Originally posted by Kotor3
How wasn't it also a force battle?

Sidious used the force to boost his speed.
Mace used his force techniques to put Sidious on his ass and deflect Sidious force lightning.
Sidious used force lightning.

You always use the force to boost your speed in a lightsaber only battle. Not sure about Shatterpoint, but I think it can also be used in a lightsaber fight (though that would only be bad for the A-B-C as Sids then doesn't use the Force while Mace does).

Sidious only used Force lightning after the fight was over and he was disarmed while Mace used his lightsaber to deflect the lightning.