Black Adam vs Superman

Originally posted by -Pr-
He would use his speed, though.

There is for Superman, generally. Even when he's brawling, a lot of the time he's doing it thoughtfully. He doesn't just wail on people.

If pushed, it is in character. If the stakes are big enough, of course Superman will do his best to put him down.

Doing it thoughtfully will be a disadvantage against someone who is trying to kill you.

This is just a random fight where there are no stakes other either winning or losing. Lois isn't on the line nor is the universe.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why wouldn't his speed matter in this match-up? Superman uses his speed to maximum uses when he's pissed ex-Mongul, Darkseid, Imperiex probes and many more times. You can't just choose to ignore his speed because you don't like to admit that adam's slower. Other aspect of this fight is that adam can't fight at high speeds, his muscles starts to tear down and his strength begins to flag. His vulnerability to heat vision based attacks is well documented, here superman hurts him with a normal heat vision blast and we both know what martian vision did to adam.

Now what would happen when superman uses his full force heat vision on adam like when he one shotted despero or diana or when he stopped infinity man in his track or like so many other times, I don't think it would be pretty. Adam doesn't have the luxury of two indestructible bracelets that can stop HV.

Who said superman's fighting here to save some people so he would be a boy scout? A murderous, cold, calculating superman can be the scariest guy you can think, just ask subjekt 17 or manchestar black or Darkseid or of and what badassery is to rip someone's head off? You want a badass superman, look down

What do you mean "full on heat vision"? In that fight that you posted, it was his full on heat vision. You must forgot that part when Superman said he doesn't need to hold back on Adam? What does those words mean to you?

Get yow skills up.

@Abhilegend

Why use the gigantic scans ? Sigh.

Yes, hv will knock him backwards but we see little to no effect on him other than being driven back. Yes, Adam took damage after taking on not only MM but about 30 some other heroes and guess what he wasn't put down either. I can also bring up characters who have rocked Superman who don't have Adam's power just the same if you want to play the hv ww 3 card. Are you up for it ?

His muscles don't start to tear down in a way to really dramatically weaken him to the point of being easy pickens. The fight they had of these two was pretty even actually which proves my point. A close fight benefits Adam more so than Superman because of the I don't hold back style of Adam's while Superman is always thinking of saving lives and death is a last resort.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What is heat vision going to do ?

Wear Adam down. The HF can be pretty effective. Numerous instances where it outright hurt or cut through characters with high durability.

His freeze breath is nothing to sneeze at, either. It's a distraction at worst, and at best it contained Bizarro Superman.

There's also solar energy exploitation. If he can keep the fight in the sun, or move it to an area where solar energy is stronger as he's done in other fights, he'll have an advantage.

Originally posted by cdtm
Wear Adam down. The HF can be pretty effective. Numerous instances where it outright hurt or cut through characters with high durability.

His freeze breath is nothing to sneeze at, either. It's a distraction at worst, and at best it contained Bizarro Superman.

There's also solar energy exploitation. If he can keep the fight in the sun, or move it to an area where solar energy is stronger as he's done in other fights, he'll have an advantage.

Not just in the sun he has to be in a certain climate for it to matter and WW had no problems cutting his throat after he was right near the sun.

Lololololhahahaha...he did get that throat sliced.

Adam doesn't have a tiara to throw and if you've forgotten he healed from it in just a few panels and was not even knocked down. Now IIRC wolverine got his throat sliced open in wolverine v3 15 or 17 by sabretooth and it took entire night to heal. Superman fought almost every villain on earth in ending battle, fought mongul, a smart bizarro, silver banshee at once after fighting straight for days, took a nuclear blast to chest while standing in kryptonite laced sand without scratch. Now where was adam's healing factor when fighting some b and c level heroes j'onn was rocking him with his punches and melted his face with martian vision or when hawkman was rocking him with his nth metal mace,huh? Superman took an extended beating by a doomsday level creature with kryptonite laced throughout his body, and was totaly healed after a few hours.

Adam took a lot of similar attacks, but he wasn't facing anyone quite on Supermans level either. Martian Manhunter or Power Girl are a step down in raw physical power, as is their heat vision (Kara's HV didn't have the effects Supermans did on Adam.)

And while I believe Adam is as fast as Superman, that doesn't mean Supes can't blitz him, as even MM blitzed Adam, and he's slower. He did it to Cyborg Superman and Ultraman, finishing them off with a single blitz of punches.

And the HV often acts as a lead in to a free hit. Say, a burst to the face, followed by a physical attack, or just something to break his concentration.

Also, lets not discount his vision powers. Telescopic vision is handy for long range charges, and Xray vision is good for either trying to use gorilla tactics, such as the time he went underground and came up behind Kenny Braverman, or if he merely takes both of them somewhere dark.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Adam doesn't have a tiara to throw and if you've forgotten he healed from it in just a few panels and was not even knocked down. Now IIRC wolverine got his throat sliced open in wolverine v3 15 or 17 by sabretooth and it took entire night to heal. Superman fought almost every villain on earth in ending battle, fought mongul, a smart bizarro, silver banshee at once after fighting straight for days, took a nuclear blast to chest while standing in kryptonite laced sand without scratch. Now where was adam's healing factor when fighting some b and c level heroes j'onn was rocking him with his punches and melted his face with martian vision or when hawkman was rocking him with his nth metal mace,huh? Superman took an extended beating by a doomsday level creature with kryptonite laced throughout his body, and was totaly healed after a few hours.

You are taking one showing in which he didn't even lose or slow down after the MM hv blast whereas I can do the same. I can reference much less actually defeating Superman.

Originally posted by cdtm
Adam took a lot of similar attacks, but he wasn't facing anyone quite on Supermans level either. Martian Manhunter or Power Girl are a step down in raw physical power, as is their heat vision (Kara's HV didn't have the effects Supermans did on Adam.)

And while I believe Adam is as fast as Superman, that doesn't mean Supes can't blitz him, as even MM blitzed Adam, and he's slower. He did it to Cyborg Superman and Ultraman, finishing them off with a single blitz of punches.

And the HV often acts as a lead in to a free hit. Say, a burst to the face, followed by a physical attack, or just something to break his concentration.

This fight is going to be up close and personal. It's going to be nasty and at the end of the day Black Adam won't hold back initially and has the magically amped punches thing in his favor against Superman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
@Abhilegend

Why use the gigantic scans ? Sigh.

Yes, hv will knock him backwards but we see little to no effect on him other than being driven back. Yes, Adam took damage after taking on not only MM but about 30 some other heroes and guess what he wasn't put down either. I can also bring up characters who have rocked Superman who don't have Adam's power just the same if you want to play the hv ww 3 card. Are you up for it ?

His muscles don't start to tear down in a way to really dramatically weaken him to the point of being easy pickens. The fight they had of these two was pretty even actually which proves my point. A close fight benefits Adam more so than Superman because of the I don't hold back style of Adam's while Superman is always thinking of saving lives and death is a last resort.

Originally posted by quanchi112
@Abhilegend

Why use the gigantic scans ? Sigh.

Yes, hv will knock him backwards but we see little to no effect on him other than being driven back. Yes, Adam took damage after taking on not only MM but about 30 some other heroes and guess what he wasn't put down either. I can also bring up characters who have rocked Superman who don't have Adam's power just the same if you want to play the hv ww 3 card. Are you up for it ?

His muscles don't start to tear down in a way to really dramatically weaken him to the point of being easy pickens. The fight they had of these two was pretty even actually which proves my point. A close fight benefits Adam more so than Superman because of the I don't hold back style of Adam's while Superman is always thinking of saving lives and death is a last resort.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not saying he does but her tiara and her attack on his ears hurt him just the same despite being sun amped so it won't make a difference as Black Adam is stronger and more powerful than WW.

You are taking one showing in which he didn't even lose or slow down after the MM hv blast whereas I can do the same. I can reference much less actually defeating Superman. MM isn't a step down. He's on Superman's level. Black Adam also went up against alan Scott as well as 20 some other guys in succession.

This fight is going to be up close and personal. It's going to be nasty and at the end of the day Black Adam won't hold back initially and has the magically amped punches thing in his favor against Superman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It didn't seem to wear him down in ww 3. The guy was tanking hv and attacks from over 30 foes. Adam will be up in Superman's grill so acting as if his freezebreath really changes things is kinda pushing it.

Not just in the sun he has to be in a certain climate for it to matter and WW had no problems cutting his throat after he was right near the sun.

Superman wasn't present during ww3.
Freeze breath will give Adam pause.
She had magic blades, and his throat healed seconds later. Does Adam wear a tiara too?

I honestly thought you had grown out of this...

lol @ j'onn being on superman's physical level.

He got hit with Martian Manhunters generic version of heat vision and his face nearly melted off his bones. If you're wanting to use that as your example, [completely disregarding that's a powered up Adam not present here. >.> ] then if Superman does the same, he'll be flayed to a skeleton.

Originally posted by quanchi112
A close fight benefits Adam more so than Superman because of the I don't hold back style of Adam's while Superman is always thinking of saving lives and death is a last resort.

Here Adam doesn't have those benefits.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He wasn't sun amped. The fight from start to end lasted only 1 minute and 58 seconds that includes superman taking diana to sun, her attempt to use kryptonite, him knocking her down to earth and following after her. Now if he actually got a sun amp in such a short time, it was likely that it was canceled out by close proximity of kryptonite. A sun amped superman took on a JLA that consisted of Kyle, j'onn, wally, diana, orion, barda and was beating them all at once and it took manhunter, diana and barda just to hold him down after a lengthy battle where superman didn't want to fight them and j'onn said that even all of them combined together can't restrain him for long. In exile story arc superman was struggling against pull of a yellow sun despite of mentioning that he was getting stronger and faster because the amping he gets by proximity to sun is far slower than standing on sun or taking a dip in sun. Again adam doesn't have a magic tiara which can cut him or two industructible bracelets and neither is he going to sneak up on superman. You are not comparing adam's amped fists to aegis, are you? Adam matched a still holding back superman, when superman truly stopped holding back adam backed down like a ***** and coward he is who kills children because he can't kill anyone on his level.

So what ? Is this from the king of the world storyline ? Again, Black Adam had his mind attacked after he let MM go with a free pass and while Marvel brought down the thunder to depower him. That's not the same as getting beaten up either. The group he took on was more impressive than Superman's group. There were also a lot more of them to boot.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Quan, why are you using normal, holding back superman here. If you read rules it is stated that there would be no bystanders or buildings so that opponents can focus on each other. Here superman is not coming to save lives, he is coming to avenge his wife as OP said that "ADAM KILLED LOIS". He was not using HV on adam at full power as when he used it on blackrock, the heat bouncing off of his shields was melting metal to several blocks. HV is not simple heat, it has stopped a charging mongul in his tracks and sent him through a building. He can use it as a high luminous light blast to blind adam in fight. It was just a race at mach 500 and adam's strength was flagging, now imagine a fight with a guy stronger than you, beating your face in, blasting you with heat hotter than sun's core at least ABOVE 2000 mps and you got the idea. (2000 mps is just for carver otherwise he would come and start rambling how only gladiator and hulk can fight at light speed, I know that superman can and has fought at lightspeed, because you know I ACTUALLY read the comics.)

Cite one instance where he's fought someone at lightspeed.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman wasn't present during ww3.
Freeze breath will give Adam pause.
She had magic blades, and his throat healed seconds later. Does Adam wear a tiara too?

I honestly thought you had grown out of this...

lol @ j'onn being on superman's physical level.

She also damaged him with a kick and rung his eardrums as well. The point is she damaged him while holding back with her physical attacks. Adam is stronger than she is and won't hold back.

Grown out of what ?

He certainly is. Superman gets the majority due to being the superior fighter but they are definitely in the same weight class.

Originally posted by Juntai
Exactly the point, Superman running around saving lives and holding back still went to toe to toe with Adam, who doesn't. 😉 Once Superman was getting ready to take it to the next level, Adam didn't want to fight anymore.

Here Adam doesn't have those benefits.

Originally posted by quanchi112

..Black Adam won't hold back initially..

Neither do any of the villains on his level that Superman fights, like Zod.

Busiek hit the nail on the head. There's villains who are genuinely tough or experienced, but it's really the heroes who are experienced against a wide array of bloodlusted characters, day in and day out. IMO, Superman has far more practical experience than Adam, who normally only faces Captain Marvel or teams of heroes that refuse to kill.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Lucky for Superman he wasn't present in ww 3. A brief pause which won't matter much in a battle between these two.

She also damaged him with a kick and rung his eardrums as well. The point is she damaged him while holding back with her physical attacks. Adam is stronger than she is and won't hold back.

Grown out of what ?

He certainly is. Superman gets the majority due to being the superior fighter but they are definitely in the same weight class.
Adam actually showed he's more intelligent than Superman and schooled him. Superman lost it while Adam had the cooler head which kinda shows up Superman's critical thinking. The guy can lose it like everyone else in the heat of combat.

Well, the difference is, Adam isn't amped.
Of course it would. Why wouldn't it?
Yes, when he wasn't fighting at his best, and she was clear headed. There were extentuating circumstances. She was "barely" holding back, and the damage to him wasn't that extensive. She's a lot more skilled than Adam, for starters.

The "he won't use his speed" angle.

Not physically, no. Even at base levels, J'onn is a notch below; always has been.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Lucky for Superman he wasn't present in ww 3. A brief pause which won't matter much in a battle between these two.

She also damaged him with a kick and rung his eardrums as well. The point is she damaged him while holding back with her physical attacks. Adam is stronger than she is and won't hold back.

Grown out of what ?

He certainly is. Superman gets the majority due to being the superior fighter but they are definitely in the same weight class.
Adam actually showed he's more intelligent than Superman and schooled him. Superman lost it while Adam had the cooler head which kinda shows up Superman's critical thinking. The guy can lose it like everyone else in the heat of combat.

pr1983

Now I know you're just doing it to bait people.

Originally posted by cdtm
Neither do any of the villains on his level that Superman fights, like Zod.

Busiek hit the nail on the head. There's villains who are genuinely tough or experienced, but it's really the heroes who are experienced against a wide array of bloodlusted characters, day in and day out. IMO, Superman has far more practical experience than Adam, who normally only faces Captain Marvel or teams of heroes that refuse to kill.

Trinity?