Black Adam vs Superman

Originally posted by cdtm
Neither do any of the villains on his level that Superman fights, like Zod.

Busiek hit the nail on the head. There's villains who are genuinely tough or experienced, but it's really the heroes who are experienced against a wide array of bloodlusted characters, day in and day out. IMO, Superman has far more practical experience than Adam, who normally only faces Captain Marvel or teams of heroes that refuse to kill.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Well, the difference is, Adam isn't amped.
Of course it would. Why wouldn't it?
Yes, when he wasn't fighting at his best, and she was clear headed. There were extentuating circumstances. She was "barely" holding back, and the damage to him wasn't that extensive. She's a lot more skilled than Adam, for starters.

The "he won't use his speed" angle.

Not physically, no. Even at base levels, J'onn is a notch below; always has been.

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Now I know you're just doing it to bait people.

Her skill isn't the point it's her attacks which obviously hurt him. If her attacks can do so a stronger character can hurt him even more so than she can.

If he does it won't decide the battle and I feel confident in saying Black adam can definitely keep up if he does decide to do so.

What makes you say Jonn has always been a notch below him ? In terms of formidability yes but not in terms of strength.

Originally posted by Juntai
Exactly the point, Superman running around saving lives and holding back still went to toe to toe with Adam, who doesn't. 😉 Once Superman was getting ready to take it to the next level, Adam didn't want to fight anymore.

Here Adam doesn't have those benefits.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Black Adam isn't in as many comics as Superman is but the common opponent they have is Marvel who matches up quite well with Superman all the same. An unamped Adam has damaged the Spectre before with a few attacks in a dov crossover. He also walked all over Marvel as well.

Her skill isn't the point it's her attacks which obviously hurt him. If her attacks can do so a stronger character can hurt him even more so than she can.

If he does it won't decide the battle and I feel confident in saying Black adam can definitely keep up if he does decide to do so.

What makes you say Jonn has always been a notch below him ? In terms of formidability yes but not in terms of strength.

Really, don't get in to a feat war. 😬

So the fact that he was mentally impaired and she's that skilled had nothing to do with it? 😑

I disagree.

In terms of raw strength, yes, Superman is a notch above. Speed too. J'onn's greatness was always his adaptability and his multitude of powers, not any one particular great one (except maybe telepathy or his shifting).

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Lol? Adam wasnt even taking the fight serious and was beating superman ass, post the scans

Yes he was. He didn't want to fight, but that's not the same thing.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Really, don't get in to a feat war. 😬

So the fact that he was mentally impaired and she's that skilled had nothing to do with it? 😑

I disagree.

In terms of raw strength, yes, Superman is a notch above. Speed too. J'onn's greatness was always his adaptability and his multitude of powers, not any one particular great one (except maybe telepathy or his shifting).

Yes he was. He didn't want to fight, but that's not the same thing.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
No he wasnt, both were holding back period

You can take a fight seriously and still hold back.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Really, don't get in to a feat war. 😬

So the fact that he was mentally impaired and she's that skilled had nothing to do with it? 😑

I disagree.

In terms of raw strength, yes, Superman is a notch above. Speed too. J'onn's greatness was always his adaptability and his multitude of powers, not any one particular great one (except maybe telepathy or his shifting).

Yes he was. He didn't want to fight, but that's not the same thing.

My point has nothing to do with whether or not she'd be able to achieve those attacks against Superman if he was normal it has more to do with the attacks hurt him just the same. He can't alter his durability. If his thought process is different maybe he doesn't get tagged but if he is tagged in the same fashion he TAKES THE SAME damage.

What proof if there Superman was always a notch above is what I am saying.

BA is a better fighter.

BA wins.

We all know it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman has far more feats but he also has more more losses as well. Black Adam's always been in Superman's league.

My point has nothing to do with whether or not she'd be able to achieve those attacks against Superman if he was normal it has more to do with the attacks hurt him just the same. He can't alter his durability. If his thought process is different maybe he doesn't get tagged but if he is tagged in the same fashion he TAKES THE SAME damage.

What proof if there Superman was always a notch above is what I am saying.

Superman has better feats in general, though. Nobody was saying he wasn't.

Hurting Superman isn't the issue. Plenty of people can and have done it. It's hurting him enough to keep him down, which even Wonder Woman couldn't do. She even stated herself that all she was doing was slowing him down.

His strength feats? How he's generally portrayed? You'd have a hard time proving J'onn was stronger than Diana, much less Clark.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You can take a fight seriously and still hold back.

If you fight your best friend you would hold back

So you think if black adam fought a random guy who killed his wife he would be the same attitude as he was when he fought superman?

Compare the showings and you will see in one he held back

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Yea you can,

If you fight your best friend you would hold back

So you think if black adam fought a random guy who killed his wife he would be the same attitude as he was when he fought superman?

Compare the showings and you will see in one he held back

Most people Adam fights, he's willing to tear in half like a phonebook. Just not Superman. He simply didn't want to fight, but that didn't stop him defending himself.

I didn't say or suggest they weren't holding back.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman has better feats in general, though. Nobody was saying he wasn't.

Hurting Superman isn't the issue. Plenty of people can and have done it. It's hurting him enough to keep him down, which even Wonder Woman couldn't do. She even stated herself that all she was doing was slowing him down.

His strength feats? How he's generally portrayed? You'd have a hard time proving J'onn was stronger than Diana, much less Clark.

Which is something Black Adam imo can do.

Based on feats probably but based on portrayal he's in Superman's league in overall power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Feats don't really determine superiority.

Which is something Black Adam imo can do.

Based on feats probably but based on portrayal he's in Superman's league in overall power.

In concert with fights, they can.

Nobody said he couldn't hurt Superman. It's just a question of who can hurt the other the most first.

In a general sense, sure.

Adam at first was portrayed more powerful that superman or cap, if he was more popular he would of stayed that way

Originally posted by -Pr-
In concert with fights, they can.

Nobody said he couldn't hurt Superman. It's just a question of who can hurt the other the most first.

In a general sense, sure.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Adam at first was portrayed more powerful that superman or cap, if he was more popular he would of stayed that way

He was a villain; he was never going to be that way, popularity or not.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't think so. I think it comes down to personality and what each guy brings to the fight.

By those criteria, I'd go with Superman.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He was a villain; he was never going to be that way, popularity or not.

By those criteria, I'd go with Superman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
And I still am siding with Black Adam.

I'm sure Mindset loves that you're on his side.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He was a villain; he was never going to be that way, popularity or not.

By those criteria, I'd go with Superman.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Have you seen the scans of Black Adam Vs Superman & Captain America? Were he beats up both

Captain America?

Or do you mean the pre-crisis fight with Captain Marvel?

Originally posted by -Pr-

By those criteria, I'd go with Superman.