What if the Empire invaded the FOTJ era galaxy

Originally posted by Gideon
Bullshit. Anyone at any point could have walked right in and killed him and he knew it. Why bother with security when you're just that feeble?

This is getting redundant, man. I agreed that Palpatine's "security" clearly wasn't designed to protect him against rival Force-users.

Right, but no one's insulting you now.

Guards? What guards? This thread clearly states "RotJ Sidious vs. the FotJ Galaxy & FotJ Luke Skywalker & FotJ Jedi Council."

Besides, even if there were guards,

Before, your sarcasm was at least indirectly stating arguments. Now, however, they aren't. Your sarcasm actually debunked your argument: the guards can't detect Luke and the Masters if they cloak themselves (or, more likely, Luke cloaks all of them) in the Force. So your sarcasm, which was your intention, actually isn't sarcasm, so your non-sarcastic argument is actually the sarcastic one. In other words, you got pwned.

Originally posted by Nephthys

Seriously, basic scanners have infer-red and bodyheat-vision modes. Luke doesn't make it 10 feet.

Luke fooled a star destroyer's sensors before.

Originally posted by Gideon
Uh, no. I'm laughing because you apparently think you've made a valid point.

HWKN will curbstomp your ass.

Indeed. Although your intent was obviously sarcasm, I actually did curbstomp his argument. So your sarcasm actually isn't, and your real arugment is.

You have a way with logic...

NOW PWN THE INFIDELS WHO BELIEVE THAT THE EMPIRE WAS POWERFUL FOR A REASON AND THAT THEY ARE EQUIPPED WITH ANTI-FORCE USER SECURITY!

Show them the error of their ways...

Originally posted by Gideon
Uh, no. I'm laughing because you apparently think you've made a valid point.

HWKN will curbstomp your ass.

Oh noes! 😱

Originally posted by Gideon
You have a way with logic...

NOW PWN THE INFIDELS WHO BELIEVE THAT THE EMPIRE WAS POWERFUL FOR A REASON AND THAT THEY ARE EQUIPPED WITH ANTI-FORCE USER SECURITY!

Show them the error of their ways...

You have NO proof that Sidious prepared against a Force user as powerful as Luke Skywalker Force Melded with 12 other formidable Jedi Masters. No Force user as powerful as Luke Skywalker existed, the closest being Sidious himself and Yoda, nor were there 12 formidable Jedi Masters that survived, knew Battle Meld, and were in communication. I'll admit that Sidious likely had some security installed to defend himself against Force users, but none capable enough to stop an attack of this magnitude.

Luke fooled a star destroyer's sensors before.

When? I want the exact quote and context. Factz pls.

HWKN
You have NO proof that Sidious prepared against a Force user as powerful as Luke Skywalker Force Melded with 12 other formidable Jedi Masters

I'm not saying that. Some people are suggesting that Palpatine would be surrounded by anti-Force user security. They're probably thinking of legions of troops (ranging from the lowly stormtrooper to the Imperial Sovereign Protector to Imperial Purge Troopers to dark side adepts), redundant and complex security sensors, indicators, alarms, etc., and probably a Star Destroyer or ten in orbit just in case.

They're idiots.

I'm surprised no one has dared to suggest that, since this is RotJ Palpatine, he could simply shift his spirit into a clone.

But Luke probably knows where all of them are and would instantly PWN them with his awesomeness.

Why are we blathering on for weeks about the security system when vader sensed obi-wan the moment he was aboard the death star?

The emperor won't sense both luke and 12 force users trying to sneak in?

OFM
The emperor won't sense both luke and 12 force users trying to sneak in?

They'll cloak themselves in the Force and PWN him. And, if he tries to cloak himself (like he did successfully for decades in the prequels?), they'll still PWN him.

Originally posted by Gideon
I'm not saying that. Some people are suggesting that Palpatine would be surrounded by anti-Force user security. They're probably thinking of legions of troops (ranging from the lowly stormtrooper to the Imperial Sovereign Protector to Imperial Purge Troopers to dark side adepts), redundant and complex security sensors, indicators, alarms, etc., and probably a Star Destroyer or ten in orbit just in case

They're idiots.

None of this really helps Sidious: Luke has been shown to be able to fool sensors, and I've explained how they get past the guards many times now.

I'm surprised no one has dared to suggest that, since this is RotJ Palpatine, he could simply shift his spirit into a clone.

But Luke probably knows where all of them are and would instantly PWN them with his awesomeness.

Luke already destroyed them...thus, he'd know where they are, since this is as of ROTJ. And if Sidious reappears in a clone body...then Luke and his Council friends kill him again! DE Sidious wouldn't fare much better against Luke Battle Melded with the NJO Council.

Originally posted by One Free Man
Why are we blathering on for weeks about the security system when vader sensed obi-wan the moment he was aboard the death star?

The emperor won't sense both luke and 12 force users trying to sneak in?

Luke and many other NJO Jedi can hide themselves in the Force.

Originally posted by Gideon
They'll cloak themselves in the Force and PWN him. And, if he tries to cloak himself (like he did successfully for decades in the prequels?), they'll still PWN him.

Your sarcasm is a joke. Luke's only appearance in the Prequels was as a baby near the end of ROTS.

All of them will know how to cloak themselves in the force? Why didn't a skilled Jedi Master such as obi-wan cloak himself when he went aboard the Imperial flagship? If he was incapable of this, who taught the discipline to luke?

Originally posted by One Free Man
All of them will know how to cloak themselves in the force? Why didn't a skilled Jedi Master such as obi-wan cloak himself when he went aboard the Imperial flagship? If he was incapable of this, who taught the discipline to luke?

Luke > Obi Wan

Luke has cloaked himself in the Force before. It's canon.

Originally posted by One Free Man
All of them will know how to cloak themselves in the force? Why didn't a skilled Jedi Master such as obi-wan cloak himself when he went aboard the Imperial flagship? If he was incapable of this, who taught the discipline to luke?

So how do all the padawans do it? I mean, what if one of the weaker jedi isn't up to snuff as far as cloaking goes, or one gets killed or loses concentration? I mean, 12 people, one of them's gonna be the weakest link.

Is this something that's covered on day one of
"how to be a jedi?"

Oh, and Gideon: that star destroyer(s) in orbit won't be able to do much unless if they want to blow Sidious up as well.

HWKN
None of this really helps Sidious: Luke has been shown to be able to fool sensors,

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When? I want the exact quote and context. Factz pls.

HWKN
and I've explained how they get past the guards many times now.

I know, I know. "'Cuz [you] say so!"

HWKN
Luke already destroyed them...

He destroyed some of them.

HWKN
thus, he'd know where they are, since this is as of ROTJ.

He'd know where some of them are.

HWKN
And if Sidious reappears in a clone body...then Luke and his Council friends kill him again!

Exactly, which is why it's pointless to argue, right?

HWKN
Luke and many other NJO Jedi can hide themselves in the Force.

In some canon sources, so can Palpatine.

HWKN
Your sarcasm is a joke.

😂

HWKN
Luke's only appearance in the Prequels was as a baby near the end of ROTS.

haermm

You don't say?

HWKN
Oh, and Gideon: that star destroyer(s) in orbit won't be able to do much unless if they want to blow Sidious up as well.

haermm

Because they aren't capable of surgical strikes?

Also, since when has cloak and dagger operations into the throne room to assassinate the emperor been the way of the Jedi? Good-guy look is far more likely to meet the emperor in battle by other means, and then he's not going to gank him.

I mean, last time that happened, all the Jedi died...

Originally posted by Gideon
I know, I know. "'Cuz [you] say so!"

I don't have the exact quote with me, but I remember him doing so. In addition, he also reduced the heat emissions that someone made. He can also short circuit electronic devices.

He destroyed some of them.

So he destroys some of them, aka the less decayed ones.

He'd know where some of them are.

Correct.

Exactly, which is why it's pointless to argue, right?

Right.

In some canon sources, so can Palpatine.

"some canon sources"? Oh, and this is irrelevant; Sidious isn't going to be hiding himself in the Force 24/7, and even if he did they could just find his palace/throne room, which would be where he pretty much always would be.

😂

haermm

You don't say?

haermm

Because they aren't capable of surgical strikes?

So what was the point of that sarcastic statement?

Force cloak can be defeated, as shown by Bane and Luke himself. And you do know that Sidious could just use the same tactics, as he can both hide hid presence so that the entire jedi order couldn't find him and can of course use Force cloak. So how exactly are they meant to find him in the first place HWKN?

I will now adopt the personal of an Infidel and demonstrate the sort of response you can expect,

HWKN
I don't have the exact quote with me,

Then STFU 'til you have it.

HWKN
So he destroys some of them, aka the less decayed ones.

He destroys some of them. Some. As in not all. You do realize the reason that Palpatine succumbed to death was because of betrayals that saw the destruction of the genetic source material and his remaining clones by Imperial personnel, who are not Luke Skywalker?

HWKN
Correct.

Indeed I am correct, which means that Luke won't know where the rest are, you fvcking moron. Which means he can't stop Palpatine from being reborn in another clone and striking from who knows where.

HWKN
Right.

Right... up until Palpatine changes locations and unleashes his entire wrath on the galaxy through utter bombardment and annihilation? Luke's fvcked from the get-go. He can't stop Palpatine.

HWKN
"some canon sources"?

Some bullshit known as THE MOVIES, which are apparently G-CANON sources.

Can't blame you if you haven't watched them, but apparently they're important to the story?

HWKN
Oh, and this is irrelevant; Sidious isn't going to be hiding himself in the Force 24/7, and even if he did they could just find his palace/throne room, which would be where he pretty much always would be.

You ever consider lending your intellect to liberals? They could parade you in front of the conservative Senators at Washington and make them change their collective fvcking minds about the merits of abortion.

HWKN
So what was the point of that sarcastic statement?

That Palpatine can shield his presence in the Force from powerful Force users, jackass. And that, from the Thrawn Trilogy, Gilad Pellaeon makes it abundantly clear that Star Destroyer gunners are capable of unbelievably accurate surgical strikes -- he claims they can level buildings without "singing the grass" on the lawn outside.

To recap: Palpatine's smarter than Luke, by far. He's capable of shielding himself in the Force. He's also able to possess the bodies of clones, only some of which Luke is aware of. Coupled with his abundant security and military measures, he curbstomps the Jedi and then obliterates the GA.

I win, you lose.

The end.

DS would be proud.