Originally posted by Digi
Kinda my point. Ogun's the man, and may very well be the correct answer to this thread. But there's other reasonable choices.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
No he got wrecked in a sword fight, wolverine beat him going berserker. Not that Logan beating anyone in a sword fight is a bad thing he one of the best sword fighters in marvel.
According to WillRules he did.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
They are good true, but there no Ogun good. Ogun is uber tier MA fighter, but he even better at sword fighting. Dracula though skilled in sword play is not Ogun good by any strech of the imganiation.
Prove it?
Here is Ogun making Kitty Pryde mute with the touch of his sword, causing her to fall to her knees with a touch of his sword that is light as a feather, then, through a series of sword slashes, culminating in one that just barely touches her forehead, putting Kitty in a trance that enables her to gain a lifetime's training in just days/weeks:
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3927/kittyprydeandwolverine0.jpg
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3927/kittyprydeandwolverine0.jpg
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3214/kittyprydeandwolverine0v.jpg
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3927/kittyprydeandwolverine0.jpg
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3927/kittyprydeandwolverine0.jpg
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/362/kittyprydeandwolverine0o.jpg
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3927/kittyprydeandwolverine0.jpg
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/3927/kittyprydeandwolverine0.jpg
Here, Ogun is stated to be the equal of Miyamoto Musashi, the greatest swordsman in Japanese history. And this was when he had 1000 years less experience:
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3927/kittyprydeandwolverine0.jpg
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/3927/kittyprydeandwolverine0.jpg
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5566/kittyprydeandwolverine0e.jpg
He is also a master of 13 sword styles, and the creator of Ogun Ryu, his own personal style:
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/611/wolverinev1ch08911.jpg
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5154/wolverinev1ch11307.jpg
Will that do?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
According to WillRules he did.
Actually he said Ogun trained Kitty to beat wolverine and he also said Wolverine beat Ogun who possesed another body, niether of which he said was in a sword fight.
Not that it matters becuase Willrules does not know more about wolverine or Ogun then I do (no disrespect to willrules knowledge, but these are my character I have read almost every issue of many many times).
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Prove it?
Iz did a good job at providing some scans to boot.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Actually he said Ogun trained Kitty to beat wolverine and he also said Wolverine beat Ogun who possesed another body, niether of which he said was in a sword fight.Not that it matters becuase Willrules does not know more about wolverine or Ogun then I do (no disrespect to willrules knowledge, but these are my character I have read almost every issue of many many times).
No you're absolutely right. Wolverine's one of my favourite characters but I know nowhere near the amount you do about his history ✅ I was just recalling all I knew about Ogun, which was very little 🙂
Originally posted by Ize19
Here is Ogun making Kitty Pryde mute with the touch of his sword, causing her to fall to her knees with a touch of his sword that is light as a feather, then, through a series of sword slashes, culminating in one that just barely touches her forehead, putting Kitty in a trance that enables her to gain a lifetime's training in just days/weeks:http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3927/kittyprydeandwolverine0.jpg
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3927/kittyprydeandwolverine0.jpg
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3214/kittyprydeandwolverine0v.jpg
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3927/kittyprydeandwolverine0.jpg
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3927/kittyprydeandwolverine0.jpg
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/362/kittyprydeandwolverine0o.jpg
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3927/kittyprydeandwolverine0.jpg
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/3927/kittyprydeandwolverine0.jpgHere, Ogun is stated to be the equal of Miyamoto Musashi, the greatest swordsman in Japanese history. And this was when he had 1000 years less experience:
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3927/kittyprydeandwolverine0.jpg
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/3927/kittyprydeandwolverine0.jpg
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5566/kittyprydeandwolverine0e.jpgHe is also a master of 13 sword styles, and the creator of Ogun Ryu, his own personal style:
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/611/wolverinev1ch08911.jpg
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5154/wolverinev1ch11307.jpgWill that do?
Sorry no, that is completely faulty logic. Just because hes instilled her martial arts knowledge doesnt neccesarily mean hes better than Drac. Karnak can smash extremely durable substances with his hands something that Black Panther couldnt do and hes tooled him twice. Show us some feats with him actually fighting somebody.
Having 1000 years of experience doesnt neccesarily make you better at martial arts look at Thor and Hercules. We dont know who MM is and he doesnt have any feats
Just because hes mastered a certain amount of styles doesnt make him better than Drac. I dont think Mantis knows alot of styles just her alien stuff.
None of those things neccsarily means that hes better than Drac or any other swordsman in the MU but it does mean hes very good. Drac has owned Black Knight in one panel how many top notch swordsman has Ogun beaten? You're just giving him the benefit of the doubt with no proof.
Originally posted by BattlehammerProve what? This is a man who cheated death achieved immortality through MA prowesses a lone, same man who achieve superhuman stat's through MA training a lone, the same man who through MA training alone is able to imprint his mind on others as well as take there knowledge through MA training a lone and he specialized and was always written as the greatest swordsmen to ever live, there really nothing to prove, you might want to read up on him.
Iz did a good job at providing some scans to boot.
You actually got any scans of him fighting anybody with a sword. 😬
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Sorry no, that is completely faulty logic. Just because hes instilled her martial arts knowledge doesnt neccesarily mean hes better than Drac. Karnak can smash extremely durable substances with his hands something that Black Panther couldnt do and hes tooled him twice. Show us some feats with him actually fighting somebody.
Actually, the feats were: making her go mute, fall to her knees, and enter a hypnotic trance, all with touches of the sword. As for fights, he only has a couple (he doesn't have many appearances,) but I can't access them right now, as I'm on vacation. If nobody posts them before I get home, I will do so when I can.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Having 1000 years of experience doesnt neccesarily make you better at martial arts look at Thor and Hercules. We dont know who MM is and he doesnt have any feats
😆 Miyamoto Musashi was the greatest swordsman in the history of Japan. He won over 60 duels without a single defeat, he beat his one rival with a wooden sword made from the oar he rowed to the fight with, and from then on, he only carried a wooden sword, and still never lost.
If this was Ogun's only feat, it would be enough to make him a contender, the fact that he had 1000 years to improve, only emphasizes his dominance in this category.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Just because hes mastered a certain amount of styles doesnt make him better than Drac. I dont think Mantis knows alot of styles just her alien stuff.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
None of those things neccsarily means that hes better than Drac or any other swordsman in the MU but it does mean hes very good. Drac has owned Black Knight in one panel how many top notch swordsman has Ogun beaten? You're just giving him the benefit of the doubt with no proof.You actually got any scans of him fighting anybody with a sword. 😬
He was equal with Miyamoto Musashi, owned Wolverine more than once, and cheated death for 1000 years, all through sheer skill. I'll post scans of his swordfights when I get home.
Originally posted by willRules
No you're absolutely right. Wolverine's one of my favourite characters but I know nowhere near the amount you do about his history ✅ I was just recalling all I knew about Ogun, which was very little 🙂
I am honored you respect my opinion on the matter.
you were extremely closes on your recollection of the fights you have quite the memory.
as for alf iz answered it perfectly
Originally posted by Ize19
Actually, the feats were: making her go mute, fall to her knees, and enter a hypnotic trance, all with touches of the sword. As for fights, he only has a couple (he doesn't have many appearances,) but I can't access them right now, as I'm on vacation. If nobody posts them before I get home, I will do so when I can.
They're not fighting feats so thats nothing conclusive.
Originally posted by Ize19
😆 Miyamoto Musashi was the greatest swordsman in the history of Japan. He won over 60 duels without a single defeat, he beat his one rival with a wooden sword made from the oar he rowed to the fight with, and from then on, he only carried a wooden sword, and still never lost.If this was Ogun's only feat, it would be enough to make him a contender, the fact that he had 1000 years to improve, only emphasizes his dominance in this category.
It might make him a contender but doesnt make him better than Drac. thats impressive but he was fighting human samurai who probably werent even peak human.
Originally posted by Ize19
Maybe not, but it is an example of his technical knowledge. Until I see Dracula performing the first list of feats with pure swordsmanship, I say that he falls short.
What feats? Transfering his skill with a sword? As already explained that doesnt make him a better swordsman he actually has to have feats beating people with a sword. Anyway heres Drac owning BK in 3 panels. Oh and thats after getting attacked by Spitfire and taking a full-force left hook from Captain Britain...im not sure if he was in tip-top shape.
http://h.imagehost.org/view/0934/cbmi13_15_017-1280-Minutemen-DTs-n-Tyler
Im sure there are scans of Drac owning blade as well.
Originally posted by Ize19
He was equal with Miyamoto Musashi, owned Wolverine more than once, and cheated death for 1000 years, all through sheer skill. I'll post scans of his swordfights when I get home.
Please post scans of swordfights until then you dont have anything im afraid.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
They're not fighting feats so thats nothing conclusive.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
It might make him a contender but doesnt make him better than Drac. thats impressive but he was fighting human samurai who probably werent even peak human.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What feats? Transfering his skill with a sword? As already explained that doesnt make him a better swordsman he actually has to have feats beating people with a sword. Anyway heres Drac owning BK in 3 panels. Oh and thats after getting attacked by Spitfire and taking a full-force left hook from Captain Britain...im not sure if he was in tip-top shape.http://h.imagehost.org/view/0934/cbmi13_15_017-1280-Minutemen-DTs-n-Tyler
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Actaully there feats of swordmenship that drac has never done, just because you want to ignore them does not take away from the fact they are feats of skill with a sword drac has never touched.
Show me fighting feats not going to explain it you again.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Actaully it does make him better, have you even read anything on Miyamoto Musashi he beat people using a wooden sword vs real swords.......he was rediclous, in his auto biography he stated he saw fights in the third person making him untouchable. When Ogun faught him Ogun was only human it was not til later did he achieve immortality. Hell that a lone makes he better the drac.
Show me fighting feats not going to explain it you again.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
edit the scan did work, but I have read and have the issue on my computer. Drac even states he won due to his speed not skill, good job there champ. nice job taking the scan out of context might as well be lying to are faces.
Just because Drac is a vampire doesnt mean hes not skillful at swordsmanship. This is what he specfically states.
http://h.imagehost.org/view/0841/cbmi13_15_018-1280-Minutemen-DTs-n-Tyler
Also Ogun is superhuman as well so I dont see how that changes anything.
