Originally posted by Phantom Zone
They're not fighting feats so thats nothing conclusive.
They are feats of skill, which I have yet to see Dracula match.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
It might make him a contender but doesnt make him better than Drac. thats impressive but he was fighting human samurai who probably werent even peak human.
No, they weren't peak human, but keep in mind, neither was Miyamoto Musashi! Just for the record, you do know that Musashi was a real person, right? He was a historical figure that Claremont brought into the comic, in order to give a benchmark for how good Ogun was 1000 years ago.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What feats? Transfering his skill with a sword? As already explained that doesnt make him a better swordsman he actually has to have feats beating people with a sword. Anyway heres Drac owning BK in 3 panels. Oh and thats after getting attacked by Spitfire and taking a full-force left hook from Captain Britain...im not sure if he was in tip-top shape.
Um, having better feats of skill with the sword, kinda does make him a better swordsman. As for fights, I'll post some when I can.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
http://h.imagehost.org/view/0934/cbmi13_15_017-1280-Minutemen-DTs-n-TylerIm sure there are scans of Drac owning blade as well.
That's nice, but definitely not "conclusive." Don't forget, Dracula is a superhuman opponent, and that gives him a large advantage. On the other hand, Ogun's superhuman traits come solely through his training in swordsmanship and the martial arts.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Please post scans of swordfights until then you dont have anything im afraid.
When I get home, I will.
Originally posted by Ize19
They are feats of skill, which I have yet to see Dracula match.No, they weren't peak human, but keep in mind, neither was Miyamoto Musashi! Just for the record, you do know that Musashi was a real person, right? He was a historical figure that Claremont brought into the comic, in order to give a benchmark for how good Ogun was 1000 years ago.
Um, having better feats of skill with the sword, kinda does make him a better swordsman. As for fights, I'll post some when I can.
That's nice, but definitely not "conclusive." Don't forget, Dracula is a superhuman opponent, and that gives him a large advantage. On the other hand, Ogun's superhuman traits come solely through his training in swordsmanship and the martial arts.
When I get home, I will.
I know nothing about Wolverine's solo comics, and really, I'd prefer not to, but just as a sidenote, if a "real life" person ever gave you trouble in a fight, you're not much of a comics character.
Originally posted by Ize19
They are feats of skill, which I have yet to see Dracula match.
He doesnt have to because those feats are not fighting ones.
Originally posted by Ize19
No, they weren't peak human, but keep in mind, neither was Miyamoto Musashi! Just for the record, you do know that Musashi was a real person, right? He was a historical figure that Claremont brought into the comic, in order to give a benchmark for how good Ogun was 1000 years ago.
Yes I know who he is.
Originally posted by Ize19
Um, having better feats of skill with the sword, kinda does make him a better swordsman. As for fights, I'll post some when I can.
Those feats dont count because they're not fighting one.
Originally posted by Ize19
That's nice, but definitely not "conclusive." Don't forget, Dracula is a superhuman opponent, and that gives him a large advantage. On the other hand, Ogun's superhuman traits come solely through his training in swordsmanship and the martial arts.
http://marvel.com/universe/Ogun
Powers
Ogun was a powerful sorcerer who possessed the ability to mystically bind others to his will with the potential to imprint his own psyche upon their minds, erasing their true personalities and replacing them with his own. Ogun’s powers also caused him to age little, if at all, over time, and sufficiently protected him from most forms of physical injury enough to allow him to once survive a direct impalement through the chest with a sword.
Either the bio is wrong or you didnt read the comic properly. 😬
Originally posted by Ize19
When I get home, I will.
Ok.
Originally posted by tjcoady
I know nothing about Wolverine's solo comics, and really, I'd prefer not to, but just as a sidenote, if a "real life" person ever gave you trouble in a fight, you're not much of a comics character.
Lol. Well first of all, this wasn't revealed in Wolverine's solo comic, but in the miniseries Kitty Pryde & Wolverine. Secondly, this "fight" happened over 1000 years ago, so, aside from the fact that Ogun is stronger now than he was then, it has no bearing on how strong he is right now.
And lastly, if Musashi was a comic book character, he'd be one of the best swordsmen in comics right now. The man beat every major swordsman of his day, killed his one rival with a "sword" fashioned from the oar he used to get to the fight, and fought every duel he had from then on with a wooden sword, and ended his life undefeated.
It is no shame to be considered equal with Musashi, and that happened when Ogun was 1000 years LESS EXPERIENCED!
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
We dont know who MM is and he doesnt have any feats
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
thats impressive but he was fighting human samurai who probably werent even peak human.
These quotes seem to belie this one:
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yes I know who he is.
Now, if in the time between the previous two posts and the last one you researched "MM," then good for you. He had a pretty amazing life, and if you like manga at all, then give Vagabond a read, as it is all about Musashi.
On the other hand, if you really do know who Musashi is, then you know how impressive it is that Ogun was his equal, and there was no reason to try to downlplay him.
This will probably be my last post for a while, as I'm getting tired of saying that I'll post scans later, so the next time I post, I'll have them on hand to answer your questions.
Originally posted by Ize19
These quotes seem to belie this one:Now, if in the time between the previous two posts and the last one you researched "MM," then good for you. He had a pretty amazing life, and if you like manga at all, then give Vagabond a read, as it is all about Musashi.
On the other hand, if you really do know who Musashi is, then you know how impressive it is that Ogun was his equal, and there was no reason to try to downlplay him.
Your just not getting it it doesnt prove that hes BETTER than Dracula. Your just having a real hard time trying to comprehend that.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He doesnt have to because those feats are not [b]fighting ones.Those feats dont count because they're not fighting one.
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For starters you do not decide what is usable and what is not. This thread is designed to find who is the greatest swordmaster, which those feats help prove Ogun is. He is displaying his skills with a sword being so good he can make a person mute, just because you don’t like what it shows does not give you the right to dismiss it. They are perfect examples of skill and much better then what you provided. You brought forth an out of context scan which you dam well new was out of context and yet you still tried to play it off as drac winnign through skill. Drac one through superior physical attributes against BK and certainly does not show the level of skill with a sword as the feats provided by IZ.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
http://marvel.com/universe/OgunPowers
who possessed the ability to mystically bind others to his will with the potential to imprint his own psyche upon their minds, erasing their true personalities and replacing them with his own. Ogun’s powers also caused him to age little, if at all, over time, and sufficiently protected him from most forms of physical injury enough to allow him to once survive a direct impalement through the chest with a sword.
Ogun was a powerful [b]sorcerer
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How about you go read some comics with Ogun in them before you speak? He gained his abilties through studying the dark martial arts, much like Elektra, he gained the abilities through skill in MA. Drac was granted his powers he did not train to achieve them. Not the same thing at all. Also when that scan of the stalemate with Ogun vs the great Miyamoto Musashi was prior to him developing any powers through MA.
You have brought nothing to prove your point in this thread and have completely dismissed evidence based on the fact you don’t like it, which is not how this works buddy.
Phantom, stop trolling. I'll only ask nicely once.
But how is marvel.com a secondary source? It's approved by Marvel. Since Marvel publishes his comics, it's a primary source, as the source of the information (same company) is the key. If it were, say, wikipedia, then it would be a secondary source. It would be like saying the writer of a comic is a secondary source if he says something in an interview instead of writing it into a comic. Same source, different medium. Both primary, however.
Originally posted by Digi
Phantom, stop trolling. I'll only ask nicely once.But how is marvel.com a secondary source? It's approved by Marvel. Since Marvel publishes his comics, it's a primary source, as the source of the information (same company) is the key. If it were, say, wikipedia, then it would be a secondary source. It would be like saying the writer of a comic is a secondary source if he says something in an interview instead of writing it into a comic. Same source, different medium. Both primary, however.
qft
a lot of these guys have beef with handbooks/official bio's cause of teh power rating, angry they won't say logan's a 2 tonner/ sabretooth can lift 25 tons 😆
i jus call em as i see em
but seriously, handbooks do have thier flaws but shoudl be considered primary hammer, maybe you coudl send them an email to data correction with links to your scans
Originally posted by Digi
But how is marvel.com a secondary source? It's approved by Marvel. Since Marvel publishes his comics, it's a primary source, as the source of the information (same company) is the key. If it were, say, wikipedia, then it would be a secondary source. It would be like saying the writer of a comic is a secondary source if he says something in an interview instead of writing it into a comic. Same source, different medium. Both primary, however.
It actually is a form of wikipedia as if you have enough "hero points" anyone can edit the bios similar to wiki. Hell I have.
Just dropping some knowledge. *flys away*
Originally posted by -K-M-
It actually is a form of wikipedia as if you have enough "hero points" anyone can edit the bios similar to wiki. Hell I have.Just dropping some knowledge. *flys away*
According to my understanding of the site, changes still have to be approved by Marvel GM's (kinda like their global moderators) before they go live. I made some changes to the Adam Warlock one, for instance, but they didn't go live for a few weeks.