Ozymandias vs. Spiderman.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
The other reason that Viedt appeared to move so fast in anticipation was just that.

He knew the people he fought well. (Despite being such a goon as to forget that his method of Killing Manhattan doesnt work, which we may be able to chop up to the time honoured tale of the smartass not actually being as smart as he thinks he is' motiff...)

I reckon his unfamiliarity with Spidey as a mental/physical opponent would be just another nail in Veidt's coffin.

I mean, if Spidey hung about too long, or became predictable then Veidty may see a pattern to learn.

But 'til then, advantage Spiderman, again.

He spent many long hours calculating that sending Manhatten through a similar process would prevent him from reforming.

He didn't know that Manhattan could reform after he disintegrated him through a similar process. It DID work, for a while. It took Manhattan a bit to pull himself together.

He also calculated that shitting out a load of tachyons would stop a virtual God's omniscience. How's that stupid?

Well he screwed the pooch there, didnt he...

See above

Well every dog has his day I guess.
But if Einstein walks into an open cupboard door that he absent mindedly left open, in comedic fashion, some would still shout "dumbass".

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well he screwed the pooch there, didnt he...

See above

Well every dog has his day I guess.
But if Einstein walks into an open cupboard door that he absent mindedly left open, in comedic fashion, some would still shout "dumbass".

True.

Sometimes, I bumb into my own ass, but that's only because I have a big ass. 😐

😂

Originally posted by dadudemon
Why does one need to move faster than needed, again? Why would one as smart as Ozy need to move that fast, wasting energy that doesn't need to be wasted, again?

Wasting energy? Wow thats such a good argument 🙄

Why did he even try and dodge the bullet? She was idle for a few seconds, if he was so fast he could've just snatched the gun out of her hand and then punch her in the baby-maker.

Originally posted by dadudemon

No it doesn't.

You obviously don't know much about muscles and strength.

Yes it does. Please do enlighten me if you think otherwise. I am very eager to listen to your expert knowledge on muscles and strength.

Originally posted by dadudemon

See Dr. Jose Antonio's early to mid 90s work on hyperplasia and hypertrophy.

Uh huh. Just mentioning two terms doesn't do anything for you. Hypertrophy would be increase in muscle fibre size, which is what I was saying. Hyperplasia is completely irrelevant to what I was saying.

Spider-man wins.

Lol at anyone thinking Ozy wins. And in that first argument about Doc Ock being human, he clearly wasn't human in terms of durability after the arms fused with him. He took hits and damaged that would have killed a normal man.

Spiderman with ease.

oh wow. i must read this thread to see what the arguments for Ozy winning could possibly be.

LoL, this thread again. Poor Veidt could beat on Peter(if he stood still) all day and hardly make a scratch.

Only way Veidt can win is if we allow him his resources and enough prep where he could put some ingenious scheme together.

Well yeah he beats peter in the brains department. I think people make these threads for the sole purpose of seeing watchmen fans defend their characters to the bitter end. Like they expect us to be like, fanboys or something.

Originally posted by omgchos
Well yeah he beats peter in the brains department. I think people make these threads for the sole purpose of seeing watchmen fans defend their characters to the bitter end. Like they expect us to be like, fanboys or something.

Its just a coincidence that im watchmen fan. Im not down with fanboyism......

Unless it comes to V.

Originally posted by Placidity
Yes it does. Please do enlighten me if you think otherwise. I am very eager to listen to your expert knowledge on muscles and strength.

I already did quite soundly destroy your argument in the same post you quoted:

"By your logic, body builders should be the strongest people on Earth, and they aren't. Sure, they are strong."

Clearly, there is something else at play that determines strength than just cross-sectional area, at least for humans.

Originally posted by Placidity
Uh huh. Just mentioning two terms doesn't do anything for you.

I take this to mean you have no idea what I'm talking about so you just pretend the other guy is "talking out of his ass". Sorry, that is not how it works. If you don't know what I'm talking about, don't even attempt to rebutte: just let the argument go.

Originally posted by Placidity
Hypertrophy would be increase in muscle fibre size, which is what I was saying.

Which did occur on Spider-man However, the increase in size was very negligible. Obviously, the increase in size did not account for the increase from a 50-100 kilogram lifter to a 10-tonne (yes, tonne) lifter. His muscle-physiology changed so completely that something else was at play to give him his strength.

Originally posted by Placidity
Hyperplasia is completely irrelevant to what I was saying.

Actually, it is not. Hyperplasia is what can occur when power-lifting training is undertaken. This is part of what I referenced with Dr. Jose Antionio's work in the 90s. What he did with his group was considered controversial. In the medical-muscles world, his work was like discovering AIDS is caused by peaches: it was that groundbreaking. It clearly indicates that "bigger muscles" do not equal "more strength", contrary to he cross-sectional area muscle fiber belief. That is important. Why? Because it leaves room for silly fictional characters like Spider-man being super strong via methods other than absurd hypertrophy (Rhino, Juggernaut, etc...though they are not nearly as big as they should be for their strength requirements). Sure, Spider-man got stronger through means other than hyperplasia, but I only disagreed with the fundamental error of saying hypertrohphy makes one stronger: tens of thousands of bodybuilders that get out-lifted by skinny, 75 kg dudes can't be wrong.

Some of these elements are:
Number of fibers recruited during concentric movements.
Cross-sectional area of the muscle fibers.
Number of fibers per unit area (an indirect reference to hyperplasic results such as power lifters).

And a couple of other things that are too complicated to get into.

Sorry to be too harsh but I did not see your reply in 2009 as I was sure it was dropped. I thought my reference was enough to get you to google search Dr. Antonio's work and forget about the subject.

And, OI! Wasn't this the thread that Robtard convinced me to change my position because Spider-man is too durable?

Originally posted by Robtard
Flash was punching way faster than anyone in Watchmen.

Originally posted by NemeBro
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Look at his combo from 1:09 to 1:14, I don't recall any of the Watchmen throwing faster punches. If I forgot something in Watchmen and I'm wrong, post a clip.

YouTube video

And no, I'm not saying Flash could beat any of the Watchmen.

Originally posted by Robtard
Spider-man; here's why:

A lot stronger

More durable

Spider-sense

Webbing

Greater agility

Arguably more speed

Better reflexes

Better reaction time

Way faster in fact

Greater acrobat (infinitely better)

Equilibrium allowing him to practically stand with his big toe supporting him off the tip of a sharpened sword and then do a quadruple spinning front flip off of it.

Ozymandias gets dizzy in a hand to hand fight before getting killed with one perfectly timed fist to the temple and then having his face torn off with Spiderman's sticky hands.

And that's if he doesn't get his webbing device.

Originally posted by Placidity
Wasting energy? Wow thats such a good argument 🙄

Why did he even try and dodge the bullet? She was idle for a few seconds, if he was so fast he could've just snatched the gun out of her hand and then punch her in the baby-maker.

That actually would have been easier for him. Physics aside, he could take apart a gun before it was fired while the Comedian was still kicking his ass.

Originally posted by Dolos

And that's if he doesn't get his webbing device.

This was against Toby McGuire Spidey, so his webbing is natural and infinite.