Originally posted by Burning thought
Show me him instantly destroying a planet please. If kuja has no soul then blood draining it is, or Kain could inhabit Kuja with his own soul and puppeteer him, then leave him (when Kain leaves a body after possessing it, it dissolves 😄 )Its not been seen many times with the spartans though has it, you cant take abilities from one fiction and add it to others just because you want your characters to stand a chance, strong wills do not break mind control in LOK. memory erase does not need to be broken, merely resisted.
Movie timing? ok show me M2 using powers at 1/5th of a second, becuase ive shown him using them with 1/2 seconds between each and thats to crack a few glass casings, not major damage.
Whats the point of being able to see mist hwen you can do bugger all about it? as soon as you start to try your target is solid again, imagine how annoying that will be for him....hell lol, Kain may do it just to antagonise him off before slicing his head off.
well too bad it is trance kuja who has many of souls at his disposal I want know how he even blood drains now that I hear of it.
so you're saying his magic will break pretty much LOK's repel shield equivalent reflect? you've already seen the video he didn't concentrate much at all he just made it look pretty with ultima.
so you want to argue that one universe of LOK gaming and from what you said no one there has a strong will. anyway with the one universe of gaming being said Kuja crushes him instantly then with ultima.
moocow is right, chief is definately not the best spartan physically. bullet fire doesn't affect the spartan's armor at all, during training course they stood and watched as the bullets bounced off of their armor.
there is a pikachu attacking another pikachu who is inches away from hitting him & we know how fast those are and mewtwo stops him easily. maybe if youtube didn't block out everything I could bring up the video, so how about kain's tele kills?
Originally posted by SpadeKing
well too bad it is trance kuja who has many of souls at his disposal I want know how he even blood drains now that I hear of it.so you're saying his magic will break pretty much LOK's repel shield equivalent reflect? you've already seen the video he didn't concentrate much at all he just made it look pretty with ultima.
so you want to argue that one universe of LOK gaming and from what you said no one there has a strong will. anyway with the one universe of gaming being said Kuja crushes him instantly then with ultima.
moocow is right, chief is definately not the best spartan physically. bullet fire doesn't affect the spartan's armor at all, during training course they stood and watched as the bullets bounced off of their armor.
there is a pikachu attacking another pikachu who is inches away from hitting him & we know how fast those are and mewtwo stops him easily. maybe if youtube didn't block out everything I could bring up the video, so how about kain's tele kills?
its a spell, like all these in this link, look through this for most of your evidence, its a wealth of it.
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/spells.php
It just reflects spells, why would this make a diffrence? furthermore I cantremember the vid, where is it?
What? I dont understand what your saying here, what i do understand is that Willpower does not break mind control in LOK, becaue your mind is controlled, any fiction that has it is a special illogical ability for that fiction, fact is....Spartans dont have any such ability.
So? not going to protect them from being drained of blood or beating on eachother constantly, I still highly doubt their immune to eachother, although ofcourse if theres evidence...
"shrug", and Kains telekinetic skills? he cant TK much more than a grown man in armour, which is good if hes facing soldiers and such but he will not likely be TKing M2 or most in this gauntlet.
Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont careNo, trust me, from what youve said so far I [b]know
your probably less clueless than even me when speaking Halo. At least ive played the first game. [/B]
Yes, and I've beaten Halo 3 numerous times. As well as finished Halo 2 at least once. My Info > yours.
It's quite obvious you don't care about surviving the atmospheric reentry as you've ignored it for the past 10 pages. Did you come up with a way to downplay it yet?
It's funny how what you know is wrong.
Originally posted by Burning thought
its a spell, like all these in this link, look through this for most of your evidence, its a wealth of it.http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/spells.php
It just reflects spells, why would this make a diffrence? furthermore I cantremember the vid, where is it?
What? I dont understand what your saying here, what i do understand is that Willpower does not break mind control in LOK, becaue your mind is controlled, any fiction that has it is a special illogical ability for that fiction, fact is....Spartans dont have any such ability.
So? not going to protect them from being drained of blood or beating on eachother constantly, I still highly doubt their immune to eachother, although ofcourse if theres evidence...
"shrug", and Kains telekinetic skills? he cant TK much more than a grown man in armour, which is good if hes facing soldiers and such but he will not likely be TKing M2 or most in this gauntlet.
so basically as far as I've heard and seen reflect would work the same against the spells of kain. so that gives kuja, squall & possibly tidus that ability to cast.
I'm not saying that the spartan's themselves will break the control, I want to know the effect of the A.I. chips implanted in them thats connected to the nerve system's.
the only way the spartans would defeat each other if he can mind control them is H2H or if their emp blast actually works against their suits then that too.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Yes, and I've beaten Halo 3 numerous times. As well as finished Halo 2 at least once. My Info > yours.It's quite obvious you don't care about surviving the atmospheric reentry as you've ignored it for the past 10 pages. Did you come up with a way to downplay it yet?
It's funny how what you [b]know
is wrong. [/B]
Erm, excuse me but I already answered it:
Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont know the numbers for atmopsheric re-entry, nor have I seen the Spartans survive it.
now its your turn to provide evidence and numbers.
Originally posted by SpadeKing
so basically as far as I've heard and seen reflect would work the same against the spells of kain. so that gives kuja, squall & possibly tidus that ability to cast.I'm not saying that the spartan's themselves will break the control, I want to know the effect of the A.I. chips implanted in them thats connected to the nerve system's.
the only way the spartans would defeat each other if he can mind control them is H2H or if their emp blast actually works against their suits then that too.
ive seen FF spells cast, they take a long time. So they wont be casting anything, certainly not in 2/5th's of a second.
I doubt it will do anything..why should it?
"shrug" not Kains problem, once their battling eachother in w/e way and in w/e fashion, he will stroll down there and cast blood shower, draining them all of blood.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Which was when Mewtwo technically was a baby 😛 So very unimpressive by Mewtwo 😐
He was never a baby, he was born an adult with an already super mind, so until someone provides evidence for him being any quicker then thats m2 best speed.
I highly doubt the people of final fantasy actually sit there and cast spells like that & their reaction times are a lot better than you're giving credit for & zidane + trance will be a B**** for kain.
well considering it is only controlling the human mind as far as we have seen, what effects would it have on the Super A.I. that compute faster than all of the computers the UNSC have? they also help the spartans translate their thoughts so he would have to have something to affect them.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Well certainly, hes not shown anything better so far 🙂Then again i guess Kain must move at lightspeed because hes never been serious at travelling fast....dont we all love Screampaste logic
Well his logic is actually logic. I don't ever recall him saying anything like that. Could you quote that for me? I can't find it.
Originally posted by SpadeKing
I highly doubt the people of final fantasy actually sit there and cast spells like that & their reaction times are a lot better than you're giving credit for & zidane + trance will be a B**** for kain.well considering it is only controlling the human mind as far as we have seen, what effects would it have on the Super A.I. that compute faster than all of the computers the UNSC have? they also help the spartans translate their thoughts so he would have to have something to affect them.
They may not sit there, but then again in some universes moving interupts casting and concentration so who knows, fact is they take a long while and I doubt its instant either, even in the film Advent children they take time to cast powers. None of them can react to 2/5ths of a second.....
Nope because as you said they help the Spartans translate thoughts, they dont actually make the thoughts.
I can't remember correctly but I think cortana actually took control of the suit for chief in the second halo book, if I could actually find it I would know but I know she took control for the emp blast... which somehow killed the flood.
FF7 universe has no good spellcasters as far as I'm concerned, they require marbles to cast spells which also weakens them.
Originally posted by Burning thought
He was never a baby, he was born an adult with an already super mind, so until someone provides evidence for him being any quicker then thats m2 best speed.
Love your logic.
Beside the point that Miria stated that it's been verified by both Giovanni and Mewtwo that he wasn't at his prime at that point, and that it was the first time he used his powers, and that he has in fact preformed faster feats, you are absolutely correct.
Unflawed. That is, if we ignore the fact that you consider some of his slowest feats his fastest.
I can't see Kain overpowering a team of Spartans. I could see him killing a Spartan easily if it was one on one, but the Spartans are trained from childhood on how to work with a team. They were put through numerous scenarios meant to drive them inside, or at least weed out the ones that would go inside, and most of them passed. Their minds have been far too tempered to be tampered with, so I don't see madness setting in. Besides, they had a radar which differentiates between friend and foe(yellow and red). Even if he induced madness, the tech would still show them what's what, and they were taught from day one of getting the suits to trust what it says. Radar also takes away Kain's mist ability. As soon as he moves, he WILL show up on the radar, and they will be able to find him. Even if they can't see him, combat accuracy will do the job(Combat accuracy is when firing an assault rifle, there are enough rounds to hit whatever you are trying to hit, without having to use good aim.). Speed coupled with intelligence and the whole team aspect, I just can't see Kain beating MULTIPLE Spartans.
Originally posted by Shaggs
I can't see Kain overpowering a team of Spartans. I could see him killing a Spartan easily if it was one on one, but the Spartans are trained from childhood on how to work with a team. They were put through numerous scenarios meant to drive them inside, or at least weed out the ones that would go inside, and most of them passed. Their minds have been far too tempered to be tampered with, so I don't see madness setting in. Besides, they had a radar which differentiates between friend and foe(yellow and red). Even if he induced madness, the tech would still show them what's what, and they were taught from day one of getting the suits to trust what it says. Radar also takes away Kain's mist ability. As soon as he moves, he WILL show up on the radar, and they will be able to find him. Even if they can't see him, combat accuracy will do the job(Combat accuracy is when firing an assault rifle, there are enough rounds to hit whatever you are trying to hit, without having to use good aim.). Speed coupled with intelligence and the whole team aspect, I just can't see Kain beating MULTIPLE Spartans.
Thank you.
Originally posted by Shaggs
I can't see Kain overpowering a team of Spartans. I could see him killing a Spartan easily if it was one on one, but the Spartans are trained from childhood on how to work with a team. They were put through numerous scenarios meant to drive them inside, or at least weed out the ones that would go inside, and most of them passed. Their minds have been far too tempered to be tampered with, so I don't see madness setting in. Besides, they had a radar which differentiates between friend and foe(yellow and red). Even if he induced madness, the tech would still show them what's what, and they were taught from day one of getting the suits to trust what it says. Radar also takes away Kain's mist ability. As soon as he moves, he WILL show up on the radar, and they will be able to find him. Even if they can't see him, combat accuracy will do the job(Combat accuracy is when firing an assault rifle, there are enough rounds to hit whatever you are trying to hit, without having to use good aim.). Speed coupled with intelligence and the whole team aspect, I just can't see Kain beating MULTIPLE Spartans.
This is all good and well, talking about training and what they have learnt but what use is this when Kain induces madness magically? they have no resistance to madness or magic in general so instantly your entire argument goes up in smoke because they wont be thinking about what their suit says or what their trainign says, theyll be in a fit of maddened blind rage.
OR
Not thinking of any of their training at all, since Kains mind is theirs and tells them to beat on eachother and ignore their suits systems.
Regardless of what you think, theres nothing the spartans can do to stop Kain, he can make range between them thats vast and can turn to mist to survive attacks, going in and outside of mists and teleportation will screw the Spartans over and thats if hes not using his mental powers or blood drain.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Love your logic.Beside the point that Miria stated that it's been verified by both Giovanni and Mewtwo that he wasn't at his prime at that point, and that it was the first time he used his powers, and that he has in fact preformed faster feats, you are absolutely correct.
Unflawed. That is, if we ignore the fact that you consider some of his slowest feats his fastest.
Thats not my logic, thats the rule for truth in the forum, otherwise I could prob sit here forever talking about rasons why Kain still hasnt shown us his best, it would be irrelvent.
Show me these faster feats, the rest of your post can be ignored because youve said it before and ive read it.
I consider what ive seen of his fastest, theres not a quicker feat I have seen yet, so until your argument/opposing side to mine bring some I am not inclined to think any diffrent.