Originally posted by Luminatus
Kain ill never hit Kuja. Kuja can fly out of reach and just blow Kain to pieces. Kain has shown no feats to suggest he can survive planet-wrecking energy blasts.But this is logic and burning thought is the antithesis of that so this is going nowhere.
"Woo Kuja can fly out of reaches and blast kains to bitz" sure if he was fast enough, which he has not shown to be at all and speed has little meaning to Kain apart from the excessive characters of speed. Kuja is not one of them.
Its going nowhere because its a poor list of statements and this last little moan at me is a foundation to try and hold it up, fallacious.
Originally posted by Burning thought
This is all good and well, talking about training and what they have learnt but what use is this when Kain induces madness magically? they have no resistance to madness or magic in general so instantly your entire argument goes up in smoke because they wont be thinking about what their suit says or what their trainign says, theyll be in a fit of maddened blind rage.[b]OR
Not thinking of any of their training at all, since Kains mind is theirs and tells them to beat on eachother and ignore their suits systems.
Regardless of what you think, theres nothing the spartans can do to stop Kain, he can make range between them thats vast and can turn to mist to survive attacks, going in and outside of mists and teleportation will screw the Spartans over and thats if hes not using his mental powers or blood drain.
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I'm going to use what someone said earlier about the chip that helps the Spartans. Its an integral part of their thought process, likely keeping them calm and collected during missions. Has Kain's little "Inspire Hate" spell ever affected machinery? These chips could probably just point the Spartans to direct their rage, if they even get any, at Kain.
Regardless of what you think, there's nothing Kain can do to the Spartans. Here's the atmospheric reentry. Starts at .20
Quick, now everybody guess how he downplays the feat. I'm betting he preys on the distance like some kind of starved vulture.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I'm going to use what someone said earlier about the chip that helps the Spartans. Its an integral part of their thought process, likely keeping them calm and collected during missions. Has Kain's little "Inspire Hate" spell ever affected machinery? These chips could probably just point the Spartans to direct their rage, if they even get any, at Kain.Regardless of what you think, there's nothing Kain can do to the Spartans. Here's the atmospheric reentry. Starts at .20
Quick, now everybody guess how he downplays the feat. I'm betting he preys on the distance like some kind of starved vulture.
little chips "could"? and "probably"? based on what, theyve never done it, Kain inspires them with maddened hate agains eachother, the machinery simply helps their thought process as that someone who you got this info said.
Ill just play on the fact that A: its not a durability feat based around sharp weapons and theres still no numbers of how much pressure his suit was under and whats more important is that he was completly knocked out and busted....lol so its not that much of a feat in general.
Originally posted by Burning thought
little chips "could"? and "probably"? based on what, theyve never done it, Kain inspires them with maddened hate agains eachother, the machinery simply helps their thought process as that someone who you got this info said.Ill just play on the fact that A: its not a durability feat based around sharp weapons and theres still no numbers of how much pressure his suit was under and whats more important is that he was completly knocked out and busted....lol so its not that much of a feat in general.
Well, I could quote you and use your tactic of clinging to defintions. In fact, I think I will.
Nope because as you said they help the Spartans translate thoughts, they dont actually make the thoughts
verb (used with object)
1. to turn from one language into another or from a foreign language into one's own: to translate Spanish.
2. to change the form, condition, nature, etc., of; transform; convert: to translate wishes into deeds.
3. to explain in terms that can be more easily understood; interpret.
4. to bear, carry, or move from one place, position, etc., to another; transfer.
Well, I don't know of any foreign languages in Halo, so that ones out.
A Spartan isn't going to have a thought that it can't understand.
That leaves two and four. Four sounds like it redirects the rage from their teammates to Kain. Two sounds like it changes the rage thoughts to regular thoughts, keeping the Spartans calm.
I want feats on this inspire hate crap. Has he ever used it on more than one person at the same time? Does it do EXACTLY what you are claiming it can do? Feats, videos, direct statements. Give people something instead of your words.
Sharp weapons make no difference. He slammed into the ground after an atmospheric reentry. The armor is still in tact, it didn't shatter, and its still fully functional. Kain will not break that armor.
Completely knocked out and busted. Lol, no. He gets up and walks away. And whats more is he's completely ready to fight when he sees the Arbiter.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Well, I could quote you and use your tactic of clinging to defintions. In fact, I think I will.verb (used with object)
1. to turn from one language into another or from a foreign language into one's own: to translate Spanish.
2. to change the form, condition, nature, etc., of; transform; convert: to translate wishes into deeds.
3. to explain in terms that can be more easily understood; interpret.
4. to bear, carry, or move from one place, position, etc., to another; transfer.1:Well, I don't know of any foreign languages in Halo, so that ones out.
2: A Spartan isn't going to have a thought that it can't understand.
3:That leaves two and four. Four sounds like it redirects the rage from their teammates to Kain. Two sounds like it changes the rage thoughts to regular thoughts, keeping the Spartans calm.
4:I want feats on this inspire hate crap. Has he ever used it on more than one person at the same time? Does it do EXACTLY what you are claiming it can do? Feats, videos, direct statements. Give people something instead of your words.
Sharp weapons make no difference. He slammed into the ground after an atmospheric reentry. The armor is still in tact, it didn't shatter, and its still fully functional. Kain will not break that armor.
Completely knocked out and busted. Lol, no. He gets up and walks away. And whats more is he's completely ready to fight when he sees the Arbiter.
I have quoted in bold and numbered your answers in your post, they are answered by the respective numbers below:
1. Apart from maybe covenant, you know....one of the key alien races you fight in a lot of the games.
2. it can very well indeed if its percieving something it does not understand, this system may attempt to make it more clear.
3. No, you see this is a desperate attempt and a poorly made one...Kains not plugged into the system in the first place so it was a silly thing to say lol...and furthermore the system has not redirected magic, the system is designed according to what Shaggs said to tranlate form the Spartan mind through the machinery.
And as I said already, your defintion for 2 is reaching and impossible for magic is the effect and its affecting their brains, the chip does not change their emotions and feelings unless you can provide evidence, in which case its still useless because the effect is magical, not just psychoclogical.
4. Amusing you say exacltey what I just said to you and your little opposition, I shouldnt even give you anything at all because you do not to me, thing is, I actually do provide evidence for things all the time, and I will prove it again:
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/spells.php
Kains statement:
"This spell allows me to exploit the petty prejudices of man. Minor grievance would escalate to murderous rage and oh, the sweet terror when the spell wore off and they saw their hands covered with their neighbour's blood."
What you see in the game:
This spell caused all enemies in the area to attack each other for a limited time. They only confronted Kain if he got too close to them.
Yes they do, a sharp blade can slice through things a blunt one cannot, sharpness and the shape of the surface is important, not to mension the actual type of damage, either way that impact would count as a defeat, being knocked out is a defeat.
yeh ,gets up after laying busted on the floor for a good while.
Also before you try and use my own tactics, make sure you understnad them and actually attend them with better thought, I use direct defintions on direct words, i dont take a defintion then invent reasons within my argument for it to make sense.
Originally posted by SpadeKing
I hope you're not saying that sword pierces their armor?besides it is a team of spartans getting a K.O. on one of them wouldn't do much when the other spartans will just get him/her back up.
What if I am? got any feats to back up them surviving 30+ tons of indestructalbe blade being stabbed in them?
If all the spartans got KOed then Kain wins all the same.
Why the hell are we talking irrelvencies, Kain uses one spell, blood shower and they die, simple or they die of old age if he so wishes as he just teleports away from them for a laugh....
teleporting away for 50+ years? sounds cowardly.
really I want to see something that proves he even hits that hard 30+ tons? of a blade made of what? and what is the strongest thing it has pierced? so far the armor even remains in tact from a missile explodsion 2 feet away.
that move probably is his only way of winning that first round so far from what I heard but, I still want to see a video of these powers only thing I can find is walkthroughs on this game.
Originally posted by Burning thought
3. No, you see this is a desperate attempt and a poorly made one...Kains not plugged into the system in the first place so it was a silly thing to say lol...and furthermore the system has not redirected magic, the system is designed according to what Shaggs said to tranlate form the Spartan mind through the machinery.And as I said already, your defintion for 2 is reaching and impossible for magic is the effect and its affecting their brains, the chip does not change their emotions and feelings unless you can provide evidence, in which case its still useless because the effect is magical, not just psychoclogical.
4. Amusing you say exacltey what I just said to you and your little opposition, I shouldnt even give you anything at all because you do not to me, thing is, I actually do provide evidence for things all the time, and I will prove it again:
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/spells.php
Kains statement:
What you see in the game:
Yes they do, a sharp blade can slice through things a blunt one cannot, sharpness and the shape of the surface is important, not to mension the actual type of damage, either way that impact would count as a defeat, being knocked out is a defeat.
yeh ,gets up after laying busted on the floor for a good while.
Also before you try and use my own tactics, make sure you understnad them and actually attend them with better thought, I use direct defintions on direct words, i dont take a defintion then invent reasons within my argument for it to make sense.
Oh my god. You provided a link. 👆
Ok. Back to stating the original points since you still don't get it.
Kain's magic has not affected machinery.
Yes, it translates thoughts, which according to the definition means it changes the form, condition, or nature. You cannot change the form of a thought since it has no form to begin with. I'm not even sure what the condition of a thought would be, that's such a strange phrase. That leaves changing the nature. And the nature of an aggressive thought is quite obviously aggressive. So the aggressive thought gets changed.
Yes, it is reaching. But its one of your tactics....wait a minute. If its reaching, and its one of the tactics you use....BT, YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE REACHING! *gasp*
I do give you evidence. I gave you three videos in another thread before you gave me anything, and you still didn't give me anything after that. Here in this thread, there's at least 3 videos, and you have JUST NOW posted the first link.
Okay though, assuming that Kain's Inspire Hate does work. How does that help him? The Spartans can't damage themselves and it wears off after a short period of time.
Originally posted by SpadeKing
teleporting away for 50+ years? sounds cowardly.really I want to see something that proves he even hits that hard 30+ tons? of a blade made of what? and what is the strongest thing it has pierced? so far the armor even remains in tact from a missile explodsion 2 feet away.
that move probably is his only way of winning that first round so far from what I heard but, I still want to see a video of these powers only thing I can find is walkthroughs on this game.
Not if the intent is enjoyment/amusement, not fear....
I ve told you alreayd, look at my bio, a miss explosion does not create 30 tonnes of force.....and its still not a piercing effect. Nobody knows what the blade is made of, it pierced solid stone effortlessly, nothing better than that though, then again theres no power armour to pierce in LOK.....I guess EG should be pretty hard ot pierce considering he is under pressure from the continent he is beneath constantly and can himself smash through rock with ease so he may be the hardest thing its pierced.
Not sure if there is a vid on youtube of these powers, ive found only energy bolt, repel, werewolf, I think theres a vid of inspire hate somewhere.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Oh my god. You provided a link. 👆Ok. Back to stating the original points since you still don't get it.
Kain's magic has not affected machinery.
Yes, it translates thoughts, which according to the definition means it changes the form, condition, or nature. You cannot change the form of a thought since it has no form to begin with. I'm not even sure what the condition of a thought would be, that's such a strange phrase. That leaves changing the nature. And the nature of an aggressive thought is quite obviously aggressive. So the aggressive thought gets changed.
Yes, it is reaching. But its one of your tactics....wait a minute. If its reaching, and its one of the tactics you use....BT, YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE REACHING! *gasp*
I do give you evidence. I gave you three videos in another thread before you gave me anything, and you still didn't give me anything after that. Here in this thread, there's at least 3 videos, and you have JUST NOW posted the first link.
Okay though, assuming that Kain's Inspire Hate does work. How does that help him? The Spartans can't damage themselves and it wears off after a short period of time.
Yeh as always, kinda like the numerous links and vids in my respect thread on kain....lol...
Doesnt need to, the machinery is not the target and the machinery does not think for the men, therefore its useless, except ofc for them, for Kain it will show him all their weaknesses.
It has no physical form you mean...
Or BT your arguments are nothing like my poorly thought out failure mimics.
check page 5, youll find the first piece of evidence in this thread, and oh look...its mine 🙂
And oh look, check page 7, the next piece of evidence which is a video, 3 pieceie of evidnece should i say in the one vid, is also mine.....stop making a fool of yourself.
So he casts it again and again until he gets bored and casts blood shower, killing them all....
Originally posted by Burning thought
Yeh as always, kinda like the numerous links and vids in my respect thread on kain....lol...Doesnt need to, the machinery is not the target and the machinery does not think for the men, therefore its useless, except ofc for them, for Kain it will show him all their weaknesses.
It has no physical form you mean...
Or BT your arguments are nothing like my poorly thought out failure mimics.
check page 5, youll find the first piece of evidence in this thread, and oh look...its mine 🙂
And oh look, check page 7, the next piece of evidence which is a video, 3 pieceie of evidnece should i say in the one vid, is also mine.....stop making a fool of yourself.
So he casts it again and again until he gets bored and casts blood shower, killing them all....
You mean the things without any real feats? The video that only shows Kain's slow mist dash to the side, and some minor TK?
The machinery is an integral part of the thought process. And Machines aren't subject to emotions. The chips entire purpose is to translate the thoughts, which I have just shown is not what you think it is.
Umm...duh?
There's no difference between your "strike" definition and this translate definition. Well except for maybe that the intention of the word "strike" is clear, while translate is rather left up to discussion so far.
You mean the little Gastly link? Everyone knew that anyway. And its not even a Kain feat.
And page 7, that's you trying to downplay MewTwo by using the weakest possible things you could find, right after MewTwo was awakened for the first time. In fact, both of those support my case that you don't provide evidence for Kain, all you do is try to downplay the other character.
What was it you said in the other thread? That you don't like Kain particularly he's just more fun to debate? Well, with your style everyone else should be just as fun.
I need to see blood shower, or more statements. If its anything like his blood drain normally he has to get close, which means the Spartans will attack him.
You did good with the last one BT, I challenge you to do it again.
Originally posted by Burning thought
So whats your argument? that because a Spartan can break rocks with their punches Kain cant be as strong or? and shattering rocks depends on the density, size and type of rock I guess, theres some stone that anyone who visits this forum could crumble in their hands.
you said it pierced stone, their punches in the downgraded MJOLNIR shattered it. I know for a fact that they can't hit with 30+ tons... I think
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You mean the things without any real feats? The video that only shows Kain's slow mist dash to the side, and some minor TK?The machinery is an integral part of the thought process. And Machines aren't subject to emotions. The chips entire purpose is to translate the thoughts, which I have just shown is not what you think it is.
Umm...duh?
There's no difference between your "strike" definition and this translate definition. Well except for maybe that the intention of the word "strike" is clear, while translate is rather left up to discussion so far.
You mean the little Gastly link? Everyone knew that anyway. And its not even a Kain feat.
And page 7, that's you trying to downplay MewTwo by using the weakest possible things you could find, right after MewTwo was awakened for the first time. In fact, both of those support my case that you don't provide evidence for Kain, all you do is try to downplay the other character.
What was it you said in the other thread? That you don't like Kain particularly he's just more fun to debate? Well, with your style everyone else should be just as fun.
I need to see blood shower, or more statements. If its anything like his blood drain normally he has to get close, which means the Spartans will attack him.
You did good with the last one BT, I challenge you to do it again.
Complain as much as you want, I disagree as does the fiction, your sad little dislike of me/Kain has no baring on that.
Look ime sorry but the chip only helps, it does not think for the people, if it does go and find me a source and stop making statements.
No theres a huge diffrence, strike is obvious, translation has a huge number of meanings and is not clear in the first place, your trying to reach wheras ime using what the defintion actually says and what makes logical sense besides.
Obviously not because I had to post it. Its still evidence for something, the first piece in the thread.
Once again, I dont care about your narrow little argumentless statements on the video, its evidence, you were proven wrong, and now done so again. Also weakest possible thing I could find? its the only thing I can find.....infact its the most impressive thing ive seen him do in the space of time that he has before Kain impales him.
No, Kain has a vast number of powerful and unique abilities of high variety, most of which people cant debate past which means he can win a lot of fights on base value, that combiend with my persistance and the amount of evidence I cn provide is no wonder why the majority hate me/kain and whimper and spam/troll me constantly.
Not if their beating on eachother and hes too fast for Spartans ,teleport remember....Also its in the same link as Inspire hate.
Originally posted by SpadeKing
you said it pierced stone, their punches in the downgraded MJOLNIR shattered it. I know for a fact that they can't hit with 30+ tons... I think
its a slash isnt it, not a blunt attack, blunt attacks shatter/crush and slash/piercing attacks do as their name implies, their diffrent types of damage which require diffrent resistence, which is why the feat of him falling from 2 km is not useful for a piercing feat, certainly not at 30 tons.
THats what the soldier said in the vid, "easily 2KM" so it couldnt have been that much more, is that planet earth? whether it is or not, perhaps if its a fictional planet the atmopshere is closer to the ground, perhaps they were on a mountain, or perhaps if it was Earth at the year and time period of Halo its higher than usual.
It did when kain pushed it through, it didnt even stop, Raziel/moebius was the target and Kain moved forward quickly, impaled him AND put most of the blade into the soldi rock behind him without a hint of resistance. So either through Kains strength or the blades sharpness, it can go through this rock with ease. It does the same with everything else it goes into, soldiers armour for instance.