Ultimecia vs Kain

"Ultimecia also has the most sophisticated mind-reading ability of any sorceress. Presumably, this stems from her power over space. This skill allows her to "reach" inside the mind of any individual, and steal thoughts, knowledge, and even magic. She is also able to use this ability on herself. For example, after Ultimecia transforms into her ultimate form, she reaches into her own mind, and manifests what in her mind is the ultimate Black Magic spell, Apocalypse. Moreover, she has the ability to instantly defeat Guardian Forces and destroy entire stocks of magic, further demonstrating her vast magical strengths. "

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Ultimecia

really when has anything besides FF dissidia, not been cannon to their powers? Sephiroth's super nova was really an illusion attack before someone mentions that.

the bullet of a top knotch sniper rifle, fired on perfect timing from a pro, was easily caught and stopped by an unaware Ultimecia controlling a weaker sorceress, she obviously have a reaction time and her powers obviously do work quickly.

I really doubt he could mess with her mind or that he would want too see her strip unless he is into creepy horn-haired witches ermm

"Sephiroth's super nova was really an illusion attack before someone mentions that."

Ive been saying that for years. Its good to know Im not alone.

Originally posted by SpadeKing
"Ultimecia also has the most sophisticated mind-reading ability of any sorceress. Presumably, this stems from her power over space. This skill allows her to "reach" inside the mind of any individual, and steal thoughts, knowledge, and even magic. She is also able to use this ability on herself. For example, after Ultimecia transforms into her ultimate form, she reaches into her own mind, and manifests what in her mind is the ultimate Black Magic spell, Apocalypse. Moreover, she has the ability to instantly defeat Guardian Forces and destroy entire stocks of magic, further demonstrating her vast magical strengths. "

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Ultimecia

really when has anything besides FF dissidia, not been cannon to their powers? Sephiroth's super nova was really an illusion attack before someone mentions that.

the bullet of a top knotch sniper rifle, fired on perfect timing from a pro, was easily caught and stopped by an unaware Ultimecia controlling a weaker sorceress, she obviously have a reaction time and her powers obviously do work quickly.

I really doubt he could mess with her mind or that he would want too see her strip unless he is into creepy horn-haired witches ermm

That quote is fairly vague, especially when it says she reaches into minds to steal magic, knowledge fair enough, unless it means the knowledge of casting a specific spell, Kains magical energy does not come from his mind, if thats the case with FF then it will not likely work with Kain.

Not necessarily all powers, this physical shield perhaps but not necessarily her best.

lol, Kain is a wrinkly old vampire, if he has any sexual interest at all I cant see him ignoring the opportunity.

I don't think their magic comes from their minds, selphie can cast magic without having any spells at her disposal. the only thing I seen was her reach into her own mind and make up a new spell also... she likes making new powerful things.

if kain wants to tap that 😘

well lol...I don't think hes had any for thousands of years so I wouldn't be so sure on his tastes 😆

ultimecia is a reality manipulater. what she THINKS she mahifests in the real world as a physical phenomenon. it is ague at all. GRIEVER doesnt exist, and yet the CONCEPT is the strongest guardian force{beings that actually EXIST} in leonheart's psyche. she takes that concept and through her powers, voila, its suddenly the strongest guardian force. same with the spell apocalypse.

cumberstomp btw. kain loses.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
ultimecia is a reality manipulater. what she THINKS she mahifests in the real world as a physical phenomenon. it is ague at all. GRIEVER doesnt exist, and yet the CONCEPT is the strongest guardian force{beings that actually EXIST} in leonheart's psyche. she takes that concept and through her powers, voila, its suddenly the strongest guardian force. same with the spell apocalypse.

cumberstomp btw. kain loses.

You slipped up in our first sentence, remember it will be what KAIN thinks after he takes over her mind.

As it stands right now, Ultimecia has the superior mind control abilities here. Kain needs to find another way.

No, as it stands now she can steal some thoughts to make entities out of, thats nothing to do with actually controlling or protecting a mind so shes still fair game.

So is Kain to time compression

But Kain can pull it off with his deminsional port

demi whatta who? 🤨

Originally posted by SpadeKing
demi whatta who? 🤨

Originally posted by Phanteros
So is Kain to time compression

Not when time compression takes bloomin ages to do.

The one who is able to absorb all of reality after compressing all time into a single moment wins.

To argue otherwise is showing your own intellectual folly.

Oh, and Ultimecia is able to take over minds, read minds, pull abstract concepts from minds and give them a physical form...Yeah, to argue Kain wins by taking over her mind is idiotic considering Ultimecia's own abilities in that regard dwarf Kain's.

Neme! Get your comp fixed?

No, at a different house. Do not have that long.

Laem.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The one who is able to absorb all of reality after compressing all time into a single moment wins.

To argue otherwise is showing your own intellectual folly.

Oh, and Ultimecia is able to take over minds, read minds, pull abstract concepts from minds and give them a physical form...Yeah, to argue Kain wins by taking over her mind is idiotic considering Ultimecia's own abilities in that regard dwarf Kain's.

Not if it takes too long and that shes never actually done it, merely capable, like a lot of FF powers, too slow and she herself is a glass canon by feats shown so far.

What minds has she canonically taken over? thats the only relevent thing, and no having the ability to do something does not mean your immune to it yourself.

Originally posted by Burning thought
What minds has she canonically taken over? thats the only relevent thing, and no having the ability to do something does not mean your immune to it yourself.

What severed limbs has Kain canonically mist formed? 😛