Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
It's not really like that at all...Unless you thought I meant if Kain mist formed someone else's severed limb. I didn't.
Ofc it is, Screampaste bases a lot of his links feats on calculations, not on actual feats. Links never thrown his shield at great speed or used a shovel to break apart enemies with 1000 ton strength.
Just like Kains not used his mist form on a severed limb, silly question really. Nobody in LOK can sever Kains limbs.
Although your question is entirely irrelvent to mine, I ask for a gauge on the canon power of Ultemecias mind controlling powers, and indeed her shown defences against the same power, I am not really asking the excistence of Ultemecia using a power for a certain purpose, merely the gauge of it.
how strong is kain's mind from mind control? she can apparently easily do that to any sorceress, considering the sorceress' powers came from the game's universe creator and Ultimecia has the half of his given powers.
whats to say she just won't pull another him out of kain's mind?
and no link can't pierce a spartan shield 😐
Originally posted by SpadeKing
how strong is kain's mind from mind control? she can apparently easily do that to any sorceress, considering the sorceress' powers came from the game's universe creator and Ultimecia has the half of his given powers.whats to say she just won't pull another him out of kain's mind?
and no link can't pierce a spartan shield 😐
because by the sounds of this move it will take longer than a second or two to implement, and then someone would have to show me a fairly detailed instance of her doing something like this because it may not be as advanced as your making it sound, I doubt if she could just pull anything she wants out of someones mind, including her own....otherwise she would just pull out God and have him wipe out the universe and compress time for her wouldnt she? I doubt she can create a perfect copy of her opponent either and if she did, she would then be fighting two Kains. Kains mind as I said before is immune to a mind controller who has actually controlled small armies of soldiers and priests. This was a far weaker Kain than we know now. Also I remember someone saying there is a special relationship between her and these Sorceresses, can you explain?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7cLdT7r9Y4&feature=related
It took 5 seconds for Griever to form.
Apprently all shes done is react to someone fireing a bullet, not actually dodged out of the way of a bullet. Not to mension this was in a diffrent form was it not? not that large form you see in the final boss fights.
And if shes doing that shes not attacking herself so she can either spend this fight doging and fleeing from Kain until he decides to activate the time reaver and slows her in time, proceding to kill her.
Also dodging a bullet is not the same as dodging someone teleporitng from an angle you could not possibly judge and slashing you, youve then got to fight Kains size and his sentience because he can correct himself to follow Ultemecia with another teleport if his first swing fails. A bullet is very tiny and unintelligent despite its speed.
Apprently all shes done is react to someone fireing a bullet, not actually dodged out of the way of a bullet.
Not really, she raises her arm and casts protect right after the bullet is fired. Or at least logically she does, as the only other explanation would be that she was standing there with her arm raised and protect formed before he fired (which is stupid and doesn't make any sense).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNDs5l4bhco&feature=related
And if shes doing that shes not attacking herself so she can either spend this fight doging and fleeing from Kain until he decides to activate the time reaver and slows her in time, proceding to kill her.
She has other attacks than time compression, most significantly Apocalypse and meteor, that ice thing she does on Squall etc. And even with the time reaver she's still probably faster than him, especially given how that attack slows Kain down as well. Plus she can teleport too. And she just need's to dodge long enough for something really nasty to form from Kain's mind, and then double team him.
If the feats from Dissidia were canon though, she would stomp hard, as shes actually shown casually dodging all of Squall's attacks with teleporting, instantly creating about 50 homing projectiles and casually stopping time and having Squall totally at her mercy, only her arrogance saving him from death. The fight would be over in half a second.
Also dodging a bullet is not the same as dodging someone teleporitng from an angle you could not possibly judge and slashing you, youve then got to fight Kains size and his sentience because he can correct himself to follow Ultemecia with another teleport if his first swing fails. A bullet is very tiny and unintelligent despite its speed.
Yeah, but she'd know where he was all the time via telepathy, and her reactions would let her dodge all his attacks or just teleport away and bombard him with spells or start Time Compression.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Not really, she raises her arm and casts protect right after the bullet is fired. Or at least logically she does, as the only other explanation would be that she was standing there with her arm raised and protect formed before he fired (which is stupid and doesn't make any sense).http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNDs5l4bhco&feature=related
She has other attacks than time compression, most significantly Apocalypse and meteor, that ice thing she does on Squall etc. And even with the time reaver she's still probably faster than him, especially given how that attack slows Kain down as well. Plus she can teleport too. And she just need's to dodge long enough for something really nasty to form from Kain's mind, and then double team him.
If the feats from Dissidia were canon though, she would stomp hard, as shes actually shown casually dodging all of Squall's attacks with teleporting, instantly creating about 50 homing projectiles and casually stopping time and having Squall totally at her mercy, only her arrogance saving him from death. The fight would be over in half a second.
Yeah, but she'd know where he was all the time via telepathy, and her reactions would let her dodge all his attacks or just teleport away and bombard him with spells or start Time Compression.
It makes sense if she can actually do what you brought up against Kains teleport, telepathy, if she can do that then its not unlikely that she knew what he was doing, especially when the bullet and rilfle itself had a slow charge up before fireing, it was a bit obvious him hanging over and she was facing the same way he was fireing so its likely she knew he was there.....
Apocalypse and meteor both quicker than her summonig of things from Kains mind? faster than him? you cant base her stopping one bullet by moving her arm (according to your assumption) on her whole body being able to move quickly and as I said, thats not fast enough to stop Kains teleport because she still will not know where Kain is or where he will come from. Depends if you can prove she can call things from Kains mind while moving like that.
Over in a second? unlikely, I doubt she can kill Kain, she may destroy his physical form for a while however but even so, ive seen "instantly" before, things are rarely instant.
Telepathy is not necesserily passive, which means she cannot necesserily know whats going around her or with Kain by using it, furthermore, Kain when teleported is not on her plane so she could not possibly sense him until he is right on top of her. Kain only has to do one spell, whether it be blood shower, spirit death or a time attack, she will be slowed in time by at least half. Also Kain is never slowed by his time powers, that was just a poor statement by some opposition, hes never shown or stated to be slowed by his own pwoers and as you said for Ultemecia (only this time its true) it really does not make sense for Kain to slow himself in time.
they didn't consider dissidia canon but even if they did that just further proves how the FF villains should never have lost in the first place 😐
think the only one who technically won is Kuja hmm
and the relationship dunno how but, before she dies she travels back in time and gives up her powers to Edea and it later transfers onto ultimecia sometime later again.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtShe was shown rapidly absorbing stars.
Not if it takes too long and that shes never actually done it, merely capable, like a lot of FF powers, too slow and she herself is a glass canon by feats shown so far.What minds has she canonically taken over? thats the only relevent thing, and no having the ability to do something does not mean your immune to it yourself.
Kain is millions of times smaller than a star.
The power was activated as soon as she assumed her time compressed form.
Glass cannon? She has a shield she can summon at will, and has summoned it to react to a sniper bullet.
What minds? Adel's, Edea's, and Rinoa's. The first two are powerful sorceresses, the first one was considered a planetary threat.
Having stronger mental abilities than your opponent actually does mean your opponent cannot mentally harm you. Combined with Ultimecia's superior reaction-time...Yeah. Also, this was pre-time compressed Ultimecia. who was only defeated with the power of Love and Friendship(I shit you not, in-game explanation), which Kain does not possess.
Fvck, this thread is stupid, going by the rules of time compression, Kain cannot even EXIST to fight Ultimecia.
Originally posted by NemeBro
She was shown rapidly absorbing stars.Kain is millions of times smaller than a star.
The power was activated as soon as she assumed her time compressed form.
Glass cannon? She has a shield she can summon at will, and has summoned it to react to a sniper bullet.
What minds? Adel's, Edea's, and Rinoa's. The first two are powerful sorceresses, the first one was considered a planetary threat.
Having stronger mental abilities than your opponent actually does mean your opponent cannot mentally harm you. Combined with Ultimecia's superior reaction-time...Yeah. Also, this was pre-time compressed Ultimecia. who was only defeated with the power of Love and Friendship(I shit you not, in-game explanation), which Kain does not possess.
Fvck, this thread is stupid, going by the rules of time compression, Kain cannot even EXIST to fight Ultimecia.
Arguable if they were actually stars the way your refering to them or if their stars at all tbh, does it say they are or did they just look like them? furthermore shes taking things from time and space, its unkown if shes conciously taking targets or not, she could simply use the power of time compression and it starts with taking the largest objects first or stars first, you cant assume Kain will for some reason be suddenly sucked in. Theres a lot of assumptions made with this, for example why is her immediate environment not sucked in?
So? as i said, it may not work like a vaccume.
Which coud take a long time for all I know, assuming this form and if she starts in it, I would like to see her start time compression, it still did not affect her environment and the above arguments still stand.
Weve seen that already, not imrpessive at all in any sense of the word...
So they have no feats against psychic powers? and you are definite and can display that it was through mental force and not a spell or PIS event that lead to the possession/control of them?
False, having stronger mental abilities is worthless if you have no ability to defend. Kain can take souls, freeze opponents in time and use TK but that does not mean he can stop othes from doing these things to him. Just like Kratos having the ability to throw lightning, use the gorgon head etc does not mean he is immune to being turned to stone or being hit by lightning.