Originally posted by Bardock42
I usually feel I can follow conversations pretty well, but reading, multiple times, some of the things you (Dolos) said, I have to say, I have no idea what you are talking about. I mean I know most of the words, but the way you put them together makes them incomprehensible to me.
Research it yourself.
Originally posted by Dolos
Research it yourself.
But I don't even know what to research, I literally don't understand what you are arguing for.
Maybe you can summarize it. Just a couple short sentences? Explain it to me like I was a 5 year old...in Basic English...kinda like this
I guess some of what I can decipher in what you say is somewhat similar to Asimov's "Multivac". A computer in charge of the world's economy, culture and everything...is that what you are going for?
Originally posted by Bardock42
I guess some of what I can decipher in what you say is somewhat similar to Asimov's "Multivac". A computer in charge of the world's economy, culture and everything...is that what you are going for?
Yes, but there are limitless possibilities. Our global set up is a mess and chaos to try and figure out. There are so many amazing things you should look into, and also tragedies about the world we live in now.
Read The Transcendent Man by Ray Kurzweil, research The Venus Project online, look into Verner Vinge and some of his works. Go to youtube and type "The Singularity Summit"; even look up "The Zeitgeist Addendum Full Movie" on youtube. Watch Koyaanisqatsi, that film is just a bunch of random footage of modern society, but it generally makes people look at a lot of problems with modern society in a way.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I understand what some people consider the "singularity" to be. What I don't know is what you think will happen.
Nobody really knows what will happen. This whole thread has been me throwing possibilities into the mix and getting questioned. I really think you should research it until you're satiated. Not to imply the pursuit of knowledge should ever stop.
Originally posted by Dolos
Nobody really knows what will happen. This whole thread has been me throwing possibilities into the mix and getting questioned. I really think you should research it until you're satiated. Not to imply the pursuit of knowledge should ever stop.
Well, I know 4 out of the five people/things you metioned, and I'm not satiated with what I read on the singularity, it all seems like nerdy science fiction wet dreams.
Like I said, it's Asimov but with a faux-scientific component that makes it appear to some more like reality than fiction.
That's why it would be more interesting to see what convinced you to believe it. Especially how you think it will pan out, starting from the global socio-economic state we are in now up to when the supercomputer takes over all our dealings. For example, who will give up control first of their government. Will there be wars fought to get it to happen? What about long lived and historic problems like racism or hatred between groups, how will the singularity solve that. What about scarcity of certain resources? What about work that can not be done by robots? What do we humans spend our time on? Will we still make children? Will it be monitored and regulated by computers? How?
Restrictions are what make things impressive. Working within the constraints of reality means you have to make trade offs, and you can't just handwave everything. That's why iPhones don't look like Microsoft's technology future visions.
Originally posted by Dolos
Do what I plan on doing, get educated. Research it.
so you give up trying to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?
Originally posted by Dolos
Read The Transcendent Man by Ray Kurzweil, research The Venus Project online, look into Verner Vinge and some of his works. Go to youtube and type "The Singularity Summit"; even look up "The Zeitgeist Addendum Full Movie" on youtube. Watch Koyaanisqatsi, that film is just a bunch of random footage of modern society, but it generally makes people look at a lot of problems with modern society in a way.
are any of your sources peer-reviewed?
Originally posted by Dolos
Well lets say we start building cities the Venus Project, replace planes and cars and our main energy source with Vac Subs, automatic roadways and solar power/nano-solar panels, these miraculous cities will cut our dependence on natural gases. Let's say these cities operate outside of the capitalist nations that comprise the global economy, built first in the ocean. They start creating super nano-processing computers that run their cities, Ray tech, this singularity happens in these technocratic cities.Everyone just moves there, until the other countries die out like the Soviet Union.
sorry, missed this
wasn't that one of the main storylines for Cable/Deadpool?
otherwise it is nonsense and totally doesn't answer any question about how this would solve current problems rather than hand waving them away.
EDIT: also, classically, the term "technocrat" is about using modern tech to enhance and better organize modern society (traffic and public transit often being the clearest examples, or a project like the Great Man-Made River in Libya), not wild ideas about future tech Utopias. The people who coined the term "technocrat" would not think of the singularity as a technocratic solution to anything.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21993132
Dolos's dreams looking dimmer. peaches
Originally posted by Oliver North
also, classically, the term "technocrat" is about using modern tech to enhance and better organize modern society (traffic and public transit often being the clearest examples, or a project like the Great Man-Made River in Libya), not wild ideas about future tech Utopias. The people who coined the term "technocrat" would not think of the singularity as a technocratic solution to anything.
You don't see how they'd become one in the same when technology reaches a certain level of sophistication?