I'm also broke as sh*t most of the time, but easily manage to find the $12 or so each week that I need for whatever 3-4 titles I'm interested in. Seriously, at worst maybe $16 a week means you can follow about 16 dedicated titles a month, or some combination of ongoing series, one-shots, etc. Not a bad industry that allows for that kind of leeway. Thus, I have no sympathy who use money as an excuse for downloading.
Originally posted by Digi
I'm also broke as sh*t most of the time, but easily manage to find the $12 or so each week that I need for whatever 3-4 titles I'm interested in. Seriously, at worst maybe $16 a week means you can follow about 16 dedicated titles a month, or some combination of ongoing series, one-shots, etc. Not a bad industry that allows for that kind of leeway. Thus, I have no sympathy who use money as an excuse for downloading.
If I want recent comics they'll be shipped on the day and at around 40-50 crowns. That's almost 10 American dollars for a single comic. I was ale however to purchase the Final Crisis + Superman Beyond hardcover for roughly 220, shipping included. Thus, my reasoning for downloading current comics and purchasing collections and tradebacks online. I have no qualms about downloading comics. All literature, art, music and so on should be completely free and funded by the government.
Until that happens, I'll download in protest and pay for the comics of the author's who deserve it.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
If I want recent comics they'll be shipped on the day and at around 40-50 crowns. That's almost 10 American dollars for a single comic. I was ale however to purchase the Final Crisis + Superman Beyond hardcover for roughly 220, shipping included. Thus, my reasoning for downloading current comics and purchasing collections and tradebacks online. I have no qualms about downloading comics. All literature, art, music and so on should be completely free and funded by the government.Until that happens, I'll download in protest and pay for the comics of the author's who deserve it.
I pay for the authors who deserve it too. That is, I buy what I want and enjoy it. They deserve that money. Are the authors you're swindling out of money, and indeed the industry itself, to blame because the government isn't like you want it to be? This, frankly, seems like a immature way out of paying people what they deserve. Imagine yourself as an artist, writer, whatever. Would you happily live off of pennies while people stole your comics? I don't care what your answer is, but you should care what it is. It either means you're willing to let society live in crime while hard-working people go poor, or you have a double standard.
Also, lots of online comic shops sell for less. Just wait a little bit, and avoid spoilers. Not that hard, all things considered.
That also sounds scarily socialist to me, possibly Communist.
Originally posted by Digi
I pay for the authors who deserve it too. That is, I buy what I want and enjoy it. They deserve that money. Are the authors you're swindling out of money, and indeed the industry itself, to blame because the government isn't like you want it to be? This, frankly, seems like a immature way out of paying people what they deserve. Imagine yourself as an artist, writer, whatever. Would you happily live off of pennies while people stole your comics? I don't care what your answer is, but you should care what it is. It either means you're willing to let society live in crime while hard-working people go poor, or you have a double standard.Also, lots of online comic shops sell for less. Just wait a little bit, and avoid spoilers. Not that hard, all things considered.
We're using the words "earned" and "deserve" a bit loosely here. Loeb does not deserve a dime, a cent, a nickle, any kind of coin, note or anything. A lot of awful writers do not deserve money, plain and simple. I do not support the sale of overpriced comics. I do not support 10 dollars a Hulk 13. I do not support it and I will not pay for it. There is no way to gauge what an author deserves. The man who wrote New X-men deserves more money than the man who wrote X-statix. You do not charge someone the same price for a crappy apartment as you do for a grand house. A better analogy could be art, the prices of paintings differentiates greatly. This is not necessarily an accurate gauge of how much their respective owners/creators earn, not in the least.
The comics of great quality are very rarely the ones that sell. I'd rather support them, but even doing that seems pointless when the entire industry is flawed.
Originally posted by Digi
That also sounds scarily socialist to me, possibly Communist.
Yes, it would be a lot simpler, wouldn't it? Author's guaranteed money and comics for everybody. That would be so awesome!
Originally posted by theICONiac
Ok, hypothetical situation:I go into my local library, and borrow every trade put out about the 'Walking Dead'. Robert Kirkman doesn't get a penny from me.
Have I done something wrong?
You're dealing with a finite number.
When they are shared online, they are "cloned" in a sense. This is also why it's completely different from stealing, since the original owner does not cease to have it.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
We're using the words "earned" and "deserve" a bit loosely here. Loeb does not deserve a dime, a cent, a nickle, any kind of coin, note or anything. A lot of awful writers do not deserve money, plain and simple. I do not support the sale of overpriced comics. I do not support 10 dollars a Hulk 13. I do not support it and I will not pay for it. There is no way to gauge what an author deserves. The man who wrote New X-men deserves more money than the man who wrote X-statix. You do not charge someone the same price for a crappy apartment as you do for a grand house. A better analogy could be art, the prices of paintings differentiates greatly. This is not necessarily an accurate gauge of how much their respective owners/creators earn, not in the least.The comics of great quality are very rarely the ones that sell. I'd rather support them, but even doing that seems pointless when the entire industry is flawed.
Then don't buy Hulk 13, don't buy X-statix. Buy good comics. Then the undeserving people don't get your money, and you don't have to read sh*tty comics. And people who do like those comics will happily buy them. Problem solved. Nothing you said justifies downloading comics. It merely justifies not being stupid with purchasing decisions.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Yes, it would be a lot simpler, wouldn't it? Author's guaranteed money and comics for everybody. That would be so awesome!
Communism's a flawed system, and socialism strips freedoms away from people in a number of ways. You're more than welcome to disagree (there are those who legitimately do), and I'm not going to turn this into a political discussion. But if your understanding of such political systems is this straight-forward and rosy, then you have no actual information about them. Because, imo, what would be more awesome is if people paid for the intellectual properties of others instead of finding disingenuous excuses for theft.
Originally posted by Digi
Communism's a flawed system, and socialism strips freedoms away from people in a number of ways. You're more than welcome to disagree (there are those who legitimately do), and I'm not going to turn this into a political discussion. But if your understanding of such political systems is this straight-forward and rosy, then you have no actual information about them. Because, imo, what would be more awesome is if people paid for the intellectual properties of others instead of finding disingenuous excuses for theft.
I'd watch those wild claims.
Piracy is not akin to theft. The store does not lose a copy of the comics nor does it lose a possible purchase. There is no way to properly estimate the loss of money the store/company suffers from piracy. So yeah, piracy is not theft. That isn't up for debate, because that's just how it is. Downloading a comic is unethical, but not the same as stealing a physical copy.
Communism is also far less flawed than say Capitalism. It doesn't necessarily remove that many freedoms, considering the amount of opportunities it would open for a load of people. It's also great how like America, a capitalistic system has far more restrictions on their inhabitants than Norway with their socialistic system. The whole anti-piracy idiocy seems to be centred around a system which DOES NOT work. Every system has it flaws, trying to insult me based on a claim I did not make is yeah.....less than great.
How much did the comic book writers make in the 80s? Before people started downloading? They were millionaires? The decline in pay for comic book artists and writers is like a myth. Even before downloading was an option they made shit wages and could barely get by. This hasn't changed today and there's little reason to blame piracy. If these guys were paid by the government, it would be a major step up for basically any author.
Being pro-piracy in 2009, based on the ideas that most of you pirate for, is kind of like being anti-marijuana in 2009.
Now, there is just so much evidence to counter the needlessness of your piracy that it's almost ridiculous you'd argue for it.
Every time someone comes up with a factually good argument as to why piracy is shit, you essentially retort with something subjective and hypothetical.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Being pro-piracy in 2009, based on the ideas that most of you pirate for, is kind of like being anti-marijuana in 2009.Now, there is just so much evidence to counter the needlessness of your piracy that it's almost ridiculous you'd argue for it.
Every time someone comes up with a factually good argument as to why piracy is shit, you essentially retort with something subjective and hypothetical.
-AC
Ok, hypothetical situation:
I go into my local library, and download on the libraries computers every trade put out about the 'Walking Dead'. Robert Kirkman doesn't get a penny from me.
Have I done something wrong?
Originally posted by theICONiac
Ok, hypothetical situation:I go into my local library, and download on the libraries computers every trade put out about the 'Walking Dead'. Robert Kirkman doesn't get a penny from me.
Have I done something wrong?
That's stealing from the library, though.
Authors give permission for libraries to have their books.
-AC
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
We're using the words "earned" and "deserve" a bit loosely here. Loeb does not deserve a dime, a cent, a nickle, any kind of coin, note or anything. A lot of awful writers do not deserve money, plain and simple. I do not support the sale of overpriced comics. I do not support 10 dollars a Hulk 13. I do not support it and I will not pay for it. There is no way to gauge what an author deserves. The man who wrote New X-men deserves more money than the man who wrote X-statix. You do not charge someone the same price for a crappy apartment as you do for a grand house. A better analogy could be art, the prices of paintings differentiates greatly. This is not necessarily an accurate gauge of how much their respective owners/creators earn, not in the least.The comics of great quality are very rarely the ones that sell. I'd rather support them, but even doing that seems pointless when the entire industry is flawed.
Yes, it would be a lot simpler, wouldn't it? Author's guaranteed money and comics for everybody. That would be so awesome!
You know, I don't care about your political views, to each his own.
But you have pretty godawful aesthetic views if you didn't like Milligan's late, great "X-Static"