Originally posted by Darth Vicious
For every action....There's a reaction.
Not that it matters, nor am I defending his choice of words, but hoping someone gets fired and hoping someone gets burned down in a fire are two different levels of insults.
Either way keep it civil the two of you. No need to insult to prove a point, no matter how much you disagree.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Fail! Last comic I read from Liefield was Onslaught return. Liefield was just the ARTIST. The storyline was mainly Loebs. Most of the small amount of stuff I got from Liefield hes just the "artist" (if u call what he does art)
You clearly have a vendetta against the man whereby you'd download his stuff even if you liked it.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
There are 2 things that I know for a fact.
1- Im so valuable for the company I work for that I wont be let go anytime soon. For some unexplained reason I could be let go bu thats like saying Superman will be a Marvel comic next month.
2- I'll be using the skills Ive gathered in that company to get some FREE comic books tomorrow afternoon.
Well, you have reasonably rotten outlooks, so it makes sense that you'd cooly act like stealing is good. It's one of the reasons I hope you get fired. Regardless of how well you do at your job.
By the way, do your job for free. Seriously. Who are you to ask to be PAID for your work? Craziness.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I hope that Karma fellow pass by ur place and burn it to the ground. Wont lose any sleep if u and ur hard paid collection are in it while its burning.
How is me hoping you lose your job, because you hope Liefield loses his, proportionate to you hoping my house burns down and I lose my possession?
You idiot.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Im sure u have done it also. U wont admit to it here of course.
I've factually never downloaded a comic in my life. Fact.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Please provide a link with that awesome news were a person got sent to jail for downloading comic books? Take ur time too.At the most people get fined for DL music/video. Unless u own/run a bit tottent site(Pirate Bay) and live in China.
I never said they did, I asked downloaders if they think their arguments would hold up in court.
As Digi and I are proving, there's literally a wafer thin layer of any decent arguments to be made for illegal downloading.
It essentially boils down to "I can't afford it." which defeats itself, or "I wanna know what it's like before I buy it.". The latter would be fair enough to understand (Though I'd still disagree), but when you're a seasoned reader you know what you're going to like or dislike, usually.
Also, it's the same with food, music or anything. If everyone could go around taking anything they wanted, things might as well not even BE for sale.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You clearly have a vendetta against the man whereby you'd download his stuff even if you liked it.
I do not. I just hate his art. I got his last work because of Onslaught which is a character I like.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well, you have reasonably rotten outlooks, so it makes sense that you'd cooly act like stealing is good. It's one of the reasons I hope you get fired. Regardless of how well you do at your job.By the way, do your job for free. Seriously. Who are you to ask to be PAID for your work? Craziness.
Im so good at my job that I mostly get paid just to show up.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How is me hoping you lose your job, because you hope Liefield loses his, proportionate to you hoping my house burns down and I lose my possession?You idiot.
As for juvenile insult. It's easy for a ***** ass like urself to insult somebody hiding behind the confort of a computer.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I've factually never downloaded a comic in my life. Fact.
I meant in general (movies, music etc). U know u have. Its ok to admit it.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
As Digi and I are proving, there's literally a wafer thin layer of any decent arguments to be made for illegal downloading.
Originally posted by DigiThat said, I've done some spot research for tourneys through such means. An unfortunate necessity of the insane amount of information that one must know on such short notice in order to even compete. /B]
U dont see me calling out the name sof those that also download and by the looks of the poll, we are the majority.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
[B]It essentially boils down to "I can't afford it." which defeats itself, or "I wanna know what it's like before I buy it.". The latter would be fair enough to understand (Though I'd still disagree), but when you're a seasoned reader you know what you're going to like or dislike, usually.
I do buy comics after Ive read them and liked them.
All the seasoned readors in the world couldnt have predicted that "Countdown", "Final Crisis" etc. would turned out to be such pieces of crap.
By the way, Today it's Wednesday. Free comic book day!
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I do not. I just hate his art. I got his last work because of Onslaught which is a character I like.
Then stop saying stupid comments like "I'd never give him a penny".
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Please, stop ur whinning. There have been no reports that downloaders affect the comic book industry like downloading cds. They get paid before the book gets reaches the store. If it gets cancelled, they give them another book to work on.Im so good at my job that I mostly get paid just to show up.
What would you do if they said to you "No more getting paid, just do it for free."?
Would you continue working or would you say "Hahahahhahaa bye."?
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Liefield has also worked as a writer. He could do that as long as he doesnt "draw". Is not proportionate, Didnt say it was. U wishing something bad happens to me, I feel the same. In this world it doesnt have to make sense. People have been killed for far less in this world. U should do us both a favor and start a bonfire in ur bed before u go to sleep.As for juvenile insult. It's easy for a ***** ass like urself to insult somebody hiding behind the confort of a computer.
That computer line works both ways. It's easy to claim that other people are being tough behind the computer, but it's easy to call people out behind a computer too. I'm every bit the person I am online, in person.
Secondly, if it's not proportionate, then why say it? You say "Stop whining (One N)" and yet, you actually wish death upon me because I'm tanning your behind. Hmm.
Real mature way for a man with wife and kids to be acting.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I meant in general (movies, music etc). U know u have. Its ok to admit it.
No, I factually have not. Of course, this is where you disagree with factual truth and then say that I have. It's a circular nonsense argument. I can't prove I haven't, you can't prove I have.
Fact, though; I haven't.
I don't download movies, I prefer watching them on DVD or going to the cinema. Same with music. You don't own a four digit CD collection by downloading.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Was that a calling out the mod for help? Even he admitted to downloading media at one point or another:U dont see me calling out the name sof those that also download and by the looks of the poll, we are the majority.
1) No, it wasn't. It was me telling you that we're both saying the same thing in different words. There's no point in me replying to WillRules if I'm just going to say the same thing.
I've been saying it before Digi got involved. Anyone who knows my name on this forum knows that I need no help. Especially not with the likes of you.
2) He admitted to downloading things that are rare. I disagree, but it's not what YOU do. It's nowhere near on par with what you do.
3) Majority means shit.
The majority of voting America voted for George Bush. You gonna argue that they made the right choice because there was more of them?
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
If I cant afford something like comics, movies or music and can get them for free. I will
Stealing isn't getting something for free, it's...stealing.
If someone is giving you free samples; there's no price.
If you steal something; there is a price, you're just ignoring it.
There's a difference between free and stealing. Nobody is going to offer to pay for something being given to them, but decent people pay for shit with a price.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I do buy comics after Ive read them and liked them.
Just because the internet has made this possible, doesn't make it right.
I'm not AGAINST the idea of trying before you buy, but legally. iTunes has previews of the songs so you can hear them before you buy them for example.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
[B]All the seasoned readors in the world couldnt have predicted that "Countdown", "Final Crisis" etc. would turned out to be such pieces of crap.
I'm not saying there are no exceptions, but that's life. Me? There are EXTREMELY rare exceptions. Most of the comics I buy, I like. Most of what I try out, I like.
You seem to dislike a Hell of a lot of comics if you're resorting to downloading. That, or you're not a seasoned reader. If you honestly have to try things before you buy them no matter what, then you either have no clue what you're into, or you are lying to me about your argument for downloading.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
By the way, Today it's Wednesday. Free comic book day!
Yeah, free comic book day legally. In stores. Do you honestly like to make shit arguments or is it by accident?
-AC
Forgot to edit this in:
To a degree, I DO actually agree about Liefield. Not back in the day, because his art seemed to fit the times. Now, though, it seems as though everyone is sucking their cheeks in; I call it the L.F.C. The Liefield Face Crator. It's disastrous, besides the odd issue he has where he brings his A-game.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Then stop saying stupid comments like "I'd never give him a penny".-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What would you do if they said to you "No more getting paid, just do it for free."?Would you continue working or would you say "Hahahahhahaa bye."?
-AC
Whos asking the comic book artist/writers to work for free? Nobody. They still get paid regardless how many people download.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That computer line works both ways. It's easy to claim that other people are being tough behind the computer, but it's easy to call people out behind a computer too. I'm every bit the person I am online, in person.-AC
People that know me know for a fact that I dont call people out. I walk to them and either solve the issue by talking or simply beat their asses. In ur case I would ask questions after.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Secondly, if it's not proportionate, then why say it? You say "Stop whining (One N)" and yet, you actually wish death upon me because I'm tanning your behind. Hmm.
-AC
This aint no stupid report were I wash my spelling. Who gives a fk about spelling on a board? Oh yeah, u. I guess im not a true fan of message boards either.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Real mature way for a man with wife and kids to be acting.-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, I factually have not. Of course, this is where you disagree with factual truth and then say that I have. It's a circular nonsense argument. I can't prove I haven't, you can't prove I have.Fact, though; I haven't.
I don't download movies, I prefer watching them on DVD or going to the cinema. Same with music. You don't own a four digit CD collection by downloading.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I've been saying it before Digi got involved. Anyone who knows my name on this forum knows that I need no help. Especially not with the likes of you.-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
2) He admitted to downloading things that are rare. I disagree, but it's not what YOU do. It's nowhere near on par with what you do.3) Majority means shit.
The majority of voting America voted for George Bush. You gonna argue that they made the right choice because there was more of them?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You seem to dislike a Hell of a lot of comics if you're resorting to downloading. That, or you're not a seasoned reader. If you honestly have to try things before you buy them no matter what, then you either have no clue what you're into, or you are lying to me about your argument for downloading.-AC
Bottom line. I download and buy them if I like them (eventually). Some download because they are dissappointed with how they have spent only to be given back mediocre books. Some download because its free.
There's nothing more to say on the subject. Now if u wish to continue ur personal attack on me, I'll be happy to oblige. Just be glad that ur protected behind that screen.
Free comic book day continues!
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I havent bought anything drawn by Liefield since the 90's.
Two-part question:
1) You HAVE bought stuff from him, correct?
2) If he did something you liked, you'd buy it, right?
If the answer to either or both questions is "Yes", then saying something like "I'd never give him a penny." is null and void. Why? Because yes, you have and/or yes, you would.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Whos asking the comic book artist/writers to work for free? Nobody. They still get paid regardless how many people download.
It depends on the company. Some comic book artists and writers get paid royalties.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
People that know me know for a fact that I dont call people out. I walk to them and either solve the issue by talking or simply beat their asses. In ur case I would ask questions after.
...and thus I lured you smack into doing what you claimed I was doing; making threats over the net, from behind a computer.
Funny guy, not too bright though.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
This aint no stupid report were I wash my spelling. Who gives a fk about spelling on a board? Oh yeah, u. I guess im not a true fan of message boards either.
It's a text-based discussion board. If you haven't got a care for articulation, grammar or presentation of the way you represent yourself, then maybe consider posting by audio...
Spelling and grammar doesn't stop being applicable outside of work or school. If you stopped using maths outside of class, where would you be in life?
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I guess because someone has a wife and kids that means we supposed to be punks like u? Hell no. If I have a problem with someone, I'll bring them home, drive back and settle it.
What? I'm just saying that it's not the best attitude for someone with a kid to have. Generally when you have a child, you stop acting like one.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Not that u'll admit it anyways.
Do GigaBytes count?
I don't have to admit what I've never done. You are factually wrong. You have no counter argument, it's your word against mine...regarding me. I win, you lose.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Why bring up the mods name in the first place? The "likes" of me? Pray tell what u mean by that wise and straight arrow sir.
Because he shared the same opinion and I referred to him by name. What's the issue here? Are you running out of steam?
Idiots. What did you think I meant? Now I don't know if you're a stupid man or if you're just acting stupid, but currently you are being an idiot. I do not mean that as an insult, I mean it by the impression you genuinely give me.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
-I download comics, he doesnt. Big deal.
-Majority means that most people dont share ur "im a tru fan because I dont download comics".
-I aint going there. We aint talking politics.
We don't need to be talking politics, it's the principle of the example;
Majority doesn't make something right. They weren't right for voting Bush just because there were more of them, just like downloaders are not "right" because there are more.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Thats a dumbass statement. If I download them its because I like them.
How does that work? You download to find out if you like comics, according to you. You say you buy them IF you like them, which one can assume is the conclusion drawn AFTER you download them...right?
Download > Decide if you like it > Buy/Don't buy. Right?
Then why would you suggest it's:
Like > Download? Unless...you download...anyway. Unless...you were lying about using it as a method of previewing.
Ooh, sort of slipped up there, didn't you? As evidenced here:
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I download and buy them if I like them (eventually).
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
If I download them its because I like them.
Hmm. So, you download BECAUSE you like them, but you also download them to find out if you like them.
Makes perfect sense* (See end of post).
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
There's nothing more to say on the subject. Now if u wish to continue ur personal attack on me, I'll be happy to oblige. Just be glad that ur protected behind that screen.
It's not a personal attack, firstly.
Secondly:
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
It's easy for a ***** ass like urself to insult somebody hiding behind the confort of a computer.
Really, I'd give up. Personally. If I had just been torn to shreds by my own hypocrisy, to THAT degree, I'd just walk away.
-AC
*None whatsoever.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriTwo-part question:
1) You HAVE bought stuff from him, correct?
2) If he did something you liked, you'd buy it, right?
If the answer to either or both questions is "Yes", then saying something like "I'd never give him a penny." is null and void. Why? Because yes, you have and/or yes, you would.
[/B]
1)- Back in the 90's. New Mutants, Heroes Reborn. I didn't learn about the wondeful world of downloading comics well after 2002. Even though they started well before that (I believe).
2) No. I mean, never say never but if his style hasn't improve in all this time, I doubt it ever will.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It depends on the company. Some comic book artists and writers get paid royalties.
[/B]
Like who? Most of the stuff I get it's Marvel and DC. Stuff that I doubt sales will be affected by downloaders (X-men, Green Lantern).
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
...and thus I lured you smack into doing what you claimed I was doing; making threats over the net, from behind a computer.[/B]
Perhaps. All I know is I can back it up. Maybe one day, however unlikely, we'll run into each other.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriIt's a text-based discussion board. If you haven't got a care for articulation, grammar or presentation of the way you represent yourself, then maybe consider posting by audio...
Spelling and grammar doesn't stop being applicable outside of work or school. If you stopped using maths outside of class, where would you be in life?
[/B]
While I do get what u mean, sometimes I dont care. If I spelled something wrong or forgot punctuations, fk it. Afterall, I'm just talking to u. U aint that big on my list for me to correct grammar mistakes.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What? I'm just saying that it's not the best attitude for someone with a kid to have. Generally when you have a child, you stop acting like one.[/B]
Which is why avoid trouble. When it cant be avoided, Im not worried because I know I can handle myself. So according to u, If u have a kid and someone either insult u or lets say punches u, Do u walk away? It wont surprise me if u say yes.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I don't have to admit what I've never done. You are factually wrong. You have no counter argument, it's your word against mine...regarding me. I win, you lose.[/B]
True. It would make u a hypocrite if u downloaded other media and not comic. So yes, I understand why would u say no even if u did.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriBecause he shared the same opinion and I referred to him by name. What's the issue here? Are you running out of steam?
Idiots. What did you think I meant? Now I don't know if you're a stupid man or if you're just acting stupid, but currently you are being an idiot. I do not mean that as an insult, I mean it by the impression you genuinely give me.
[/B]
The issue is simple, no need to bring others into the conversation. I couldve named others that shared my opinion but have not. Especially not a mod.
Same impression I got of u the moment u said I/we are not true fans because we choose to download.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriWe don't need to be talking politics, it's the principle of the example;
Majority doesn't make something right. They weren't right for voting Bush just because there were more of them, just like downloaders are not "right" because there are more.
[/B]
Yet u keep bringing it up. If it makes u happy, I didnt vote for Bush. The man shouldve never been president. Thats all im saying when it comes to politics.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriHow does that work? You download to find out if you like comics, according to you. You say you buy them IF you like them, which one can assume is the conclusion drawn AFTER you download them...right?
Download > Decide if you like it > Buy/Don't buy. Right?
Then why would you suggest it's:
Like > Download? Unless...you download...anyway. Unless...you were lying about using it as a method of previewing.
[/B]
Download>Read>Liked?, Yes>ebay
Download>Read>Liked?, No>Delete
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's not a personal attack, firstly.Secondly:
Really, I'd give up. Personally. If I had just been torn to shreds by my own hypocrisy, to THAT degree, I'd just walk away.
[/B]
And yet, even though I said I was done, here u are. Where's the hypocrisy? Ive never denied I downloaded comics. I download comics and IF I like them enough, Ill get them eventually (Its not like im flat out denying it). I will not buy every single thing I like but I will buy nonetheless.
Also bitter people. It's good for those, too.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
1)- Back in the 90's. New Mutants, Heroes Reborn. I didn't learn about the wondeful world of downloading comics well after 2002. Even though they started well before that (I believe).2) No. I mean, never say never but if his style hasn't improve in all this time, I doubt it ever will.
Then you've obviously given him "a penny". Secondly, do you continue to download his material, to this day? Pretty sure you said you do. So, regardless of whether you like the book or not, you don't buy it because of his art?
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Like who? Most of the stuff I get it's Marvel and DC. Stuff that I doubt sales will be affected by downloaders (X-men, Green Lantern).
Making that argument is silly.
"I doubt one person will change anything.". The same was probably said when the first person started littering. Then it became another, then another, now we have an over-polluted planet.
Catch my breadcrumbs?
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Perhaps. All I know is I can back it up. Maybe one day, however unlikely, we'll run into each other.
What makes you assume I can't? Laughable theory, really. The person doing the threatening can always back it up, under the assumption that the other guy can't.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
While I do get what u mean, sometimes I dont care. If I spelled something wrong or forgot punctuations, fk it. Afterall, I'm just talking to u. U aint that big on my list for me to correct grammar mistakes.
It shouldn't take importance of person, you should correct them anyway, but that's not here nor there.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Which is why avoid trouble. When it cant be avoided, Im not worried because I know I can handle myself. So according to u, If u have a kid and someone either insult u or lets say punches u, Do u walk away? It wont surprise me if u say yes.
What...? I was talking about threatening someone on an internet forum because you're angry that you're losing the debate. That's not mature behaviour is it?
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
True. It would make u a hypocrite if u downloaded other media and not comic. So yes, I understand why would u say no even if u did.
...but I don't, so you can stop harping on it.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
The issue is simple, no need to bring others into the conversation. I couldve named others that shared my opinion but have not. Especially not a mod.
Why? It's an open forum. If I want to reference someone by name, it means literally nothing besides that.
You began this as an accusation that I was asking for help, when I simply referenced another poster by name. Odd. Desperate and odd.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Yet u keep bringing it up. If it makes u happy, I didnt vote for Bush. The man shouldve never been president. Thats all im saying when it comes to politics.
For the love of...
I am NOT talking about politics. Look at the bigger picture. It ended badly, but MOST people chose it. Does that make it right? No.
Therefore, there's a warm place in your anus for the argument "The majority of us disagree.". Because it means shit.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Download>Read>Liked?, Yes>ebay
Download>Read>Liked?, No>Delete
That's not what you just said, though. Sort it out.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
And yet, even though I said I was done, here u are. Where's the hypocrisy? Ive never denied I downloaded comics. I download comics and IF I like them enough, Ill get them eventually (Its not like im flat out denying it). I will not buy every single thing I like but I will buy nonetheless.
I'm a hypocrite because YOU said you were done, but I came back? How does that work? I never said I was done, you did, and yet...here YOU are.
How is that anything to do with me? I've exposed everything you said as hollow, unsustainable and hypocritical and now you want to leave, but you won't. That's not my fault.
-AC