Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Goin' with the skirt/pom pom/"Rah, rah, rah!" option, huh? Mmm...I was right. If I ever happen to be juuust desperate enough, well...well, by gosh, I might just give you a booty call! That is if Kris hasn't left you so soggy that you can't hold your own molecules together.
Hit the bricks, man. If you don't have an argument I'm not gonna dignify you with a serious response.
-AC
Damn just tryin to show a guy some respect.... 🙁
He's a big boy, he can reply for himself (He has some degree of ability in forming arguments, even if I disagree).
The reason you started cheerleading is because YOU can't. In light of that, if you don't have an on-topic argument, don't bother replying to me with bs, sarcasm and put-downs. At least mix them in.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriThe reason you started cheerleading is because YOU can't.
Actually the reason why im doing it isn't because I cant make a rational argument. In fact I dont even like Kris and I dont download any of my comics.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
In light of that, if you don't have an on-topic argument, don't bother replying to me with bs, sarcasm and put-downs. At least mix them in.-AC
Y'know for some strange reason I dont think I will. For one moment I was overwhelmed by your grandeur but I managed to resist.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well seeing as you clearly find yourself inspired by me, I'm surprised you can't see my point.-AC
I see your point but it wrong and seeing as you can't even give me a suitable argument to my response I am going to assume you realize your wrong, but you can't admit when your wrong, you think to highly of your self.
-BH
Originally posted by Original Smurph
No, but they can shallow it. If you're happy to see a character finally portrayed properly, or see awesome dynamics happening with a team that had needed a good writer, it would hollow the good feeling to find out that half the "finally written right" characters were actually skrulls. Just leaves a bad taste.If it was, for instance, revealed that all of Whedon's AXM run was a dream sequence of Wolverine's, I'd still adore the arc, but would feel off about the whole thing, knowing in my head that it's all just figments.
Irrational perhaps, but I get where Goob is coming from.
Agreed. The course of the Ultimates has been the same to me. Millar's run = one of the best comics. Loeb's run = one of the worst comics. Millar's return = hopeful.
I know Loeb's run can just be ignored but I still have to deal with Millar's new run, where he has to pick up the scraps and work with what hasn't been broken. 🙁
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Y'know for some strange reason I dont think I will. For one moment I was overwhelmed by your grandeur but I managed to resist.
😆
Originally posted by Battlehammer
I see your point but it wrong and seeing as you can't even give me a suitable argument to my response I am going to assume you realize your wrong, but you can't admit when your wrong, you think to highly of your self.-BH
I've been giving factual, rational arguments all thread, you simpleton.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, it's because I have, but rational and logical doesn't work for you. Thus, you get what you got, Crabhammer.-AC
Yup as always, when you have no real responses you resort to insulting
Yea this repesonse below from you is real rational and logical.......oh wait no it not, it actaully displaying your inability to she shades of grey
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
2) Every single thing that I've posted has just about proven that there's literally no excuse for downloading unless it's because you can't be bothered to pay.-AC
Which I have already proven is not always the cases as you stated, and other have also expressed other reasons for downloading comics.
The world is not Black and White, you need to grasp this concept.
PS: It sad to say, but even Master bruce came up wit a more clever name then crabhammer.......I can't even believe you come up with such a shitty name, I am not sure to laugh or feel sorry for such an epic fail on your part.
-BH
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yup as always, when you have no real responses you resort to insultingYea this repesonse below from you is real rational and logical.......oh wait no it not, it actaully displaying your inability to she shades of grey
I've been here for a long time. I know when someone is dense to the point that nothing works. I have been here, with others, giving logical and sound reasoning to my arguments. You insist that simply I haven't because for some reason you have this weird interest/obsession with me.
It's flattering and all, but don't sit there ignoring my posts and then say I never made them.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Which I have already proven is not always the cases as you stated, and other have also expressed other reasons for downloading comics.The world is not Black and White, you need to grasp this concept.
PS: It sad to say, but even Master bruce came up wit a more clever name then crabhammer.......I can't even believe you come up with such a shitty name, I am not sure to laugh or feel sorry for such an epic fail on your part.
-BH
1) It's meant to be a shitty name. That's the point. I should have explained that to you, Crabby. As long as you're copying me out of love, I'll give you an affectionate nickname.
Oh, and -BH doesn't work. Your name is Battlehammer, not Battle Hammer.
2) Others have expressed other excuses, yes. Those are not valid or acceptable ones though, as I've said.
Read my posts or don't join in.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I've been here for a long time. I know when someone is dense to the point that nothing works. I have been here, with others, giving logical and sound reasoning to my arguments. You insist that simply I haven't because for some reason you have this weird interest/obsession with me.It's flattering and all, but don't sit there ignoring my posts and then say I never made them.
Lol your arrogance is quite amusing.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
1) It's meant to be a shitty name. That's the point. I should have explained that to you, Crabby. As long as you're copying me out of love, I'll give you an affectionate nickname.Oh, and -BH doesn't work. Your name is Battlehammer, not Battle Hammer.
2) Others have expressed other excuses, yes. Those are not valid or acceptable ones though, as I've said.
Read my posts or don't join in.
-AC
I actually wanted it to be Bruenor battlehammer and it was to long, and I like -BH better then -B.H it just more appealing to me.
They are valid you just ignore them.
Oh i have read your posts, and all you have down is dismiss others responses or completely ignore them.
You said people only down laod comics becuase there being unwilling to pay for them, and yet I DL comics I own inorder to post them in debates, which controdicts you black/white reasoning.
-BH
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Lol ive been here longer, and ive known you were like talking to a brick wall since day one, back in 2004.Lol your arrogance is quite amusing.
You did explain it, but if you are attempt to give one a shitty name, it should at least be more clever then one that bruce can come up with, I mean dont you have a standard?
I actually wanted it to be Bruenor battlehammer and it was to long, and I like -BH better then -B.H it just more appealing to me.
They are valid you just ignore them.
Oh i have read your posts, and all you have down is dismiss others responses or completely ignore them.
You said people only down laod comics becuase there being unwilling to pay for them, and yet I DL comics I own inorder to post them in debates, which controdicts you black/white reasoning.
-BH
No, listen to me very carefully.
I said the only excuse people have, any that's worthy of honesty, is laziness. YOU think that by giving an excuse that ISN'T laziness, it contradicts me. It doesn't.
It doesn't simply because that is a bs excuse. There's literally no valid reason for downloading. Certainly not one that you've given.
You keep insisting I'm ignoring points because you don't like that I'm countering yours.
It's a fact. You haven't countered a word I said, Crabby.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm sure ya look hot and everything, but this is a debate, not a "Who can get on their knees for Kris the fastest." contest.-AC
Dude, your mom and granny both tied for that contest ages ago.
Originally posted by Digi
comic industry is doing far better today than it has in past decades. It's a bigger market. But that doesn't mean that downloading doesn't make them lose a fair amount of money. It does. If it didn't, they wouldn't care about it.
But it's impossible to calculate how much they are losing. For all we know, they could be losing more money to the humidity in the comic book stores or random fires. It causes the comic book stores a certain degree of financial loss, but not the actual artists and writers. You might claim that it does not work like that for the smaller industries, but that's cool. I only download bigger titles from the major companies.
Originally posted by Digi
You're still trying to say it's ok to steal from a person because the government isn't like you want it to be. Example: I think we should all have government-subsidized cars. You have two cars and I have none. So I'm going to steal yours, in moral protest. Same thing. You can disagree with a system of government. But to use that to swindle people out of money is cowardly and disingenuous to those who you rip off. It's not their fault they aren't paid by the gov't. But it's certainly your fault that they aren't getting the money they deserve in the system we do have implemented.Also, social freedoms are not economic freedoms. In a system where money is distributed and divided entirely by the government, there is no economic freedom, which translates to personal freedoms. Legalizing drugs, allowing piracy, or whatever else makes it seem "free," far from makes up for that. But, again, this is free market economics 101, which you seem happily oblivious to. I'd rather not have a discussion where your knowledge is almost entirely one-sided.
I wasn't actually serious about that. I thought you would've figured that out by now.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I consider downloading to be a silent and nonviolent form of protest against much of the crap that gets put out by the companies, and I'm going to keep doing it. There was literally zero chance of my ever buying another comic book before I started downloading so the companies aren't out a single penny due to the issues I've obtained over the net.
Bingo.
The comics I download are not lost purchases. I will never buy savage she-hulk, a lot of things are going to change before secret invasion makes it to my shelves.
"But Kris, aren't you downloading super cool titles like Green Lantern?"
Yes I am good sir, but once the tradeback's in town you know I'll buy it!
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Different branch, same tree.
But not the same thing.
Similar, but not the same.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Of all the debates I've had, literally everyone has said, to one degree or another, that they can't be bothered to buy them. Are there exceptions? Of course. I said most. From experience. Do YOU have counter proof?
I do not care about your other debates with people. How is this related to those things you claimed to be facts? You cannot make a claim and then say the burden of proof is on me. Nor does this seem to support your argument in any way, so I have no reason to deny it. Most people don't want to pay, so they download. That's cool with me and probably correct, I won't dispute that.
And regardless, you were not able to actually back this up with anything but "I've had debates with some people and they were lazy" this does not cut it as an actual study, nor does it cut it as proof.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Obviously the point of actually respecting the idea of when you are meant to have something and not stealing it is beyond you.
Oh we're on to respecting an idea now? These points of yours flutter around quite a bit. Or was that actually the point you were trying to make with the album analogy? Is an entire album an idea? Not a great analogy, since it doesn't connect well with comics being singular pieces, unless you were referring to tradebacks and the more popular single songs often being released as singles. So people not listening to entire albums is something which has been occurring for some time.
But if the analogy holds. Okay, care. I don't respect Matt Fraction or his ideas. I don't deny this, I don't respect their ideas. I'll downloading the shit outta those comics, delete 'em, download 'em, maybe even download two copies and delete 'em both.
Hey, it seems like you actually think I'm claiming that downloading is decent? Are you? Because if this is the case, then you need to take a step back and look this over. Downloading is morally wrong, causes an unknown degree of financial loss to comic stores/certain companies. Fortunately for me, I am such a god awful person that I don't mind downloading certain comics and not buying them.
Originally posted by Blanket
Not DL'ing is dumb.By legally DL'ing files? lulz
Nom nom nom, comics, and music.
Sex me up zooey.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Dude, your mom and granny both tied for that contest ages ago.
That very nearly would have made you a fan of incest, being that they would have been your grandmother and great grandmother.
See, I was almost your father, but the guy in front of me had the correct change. I was bummed at first, but then I got close enough to see her face and realised that I had dodged more bullets than Neo.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
But not the same thing.Similar, but not the same.
Effectively. It's still going to qualify as theft in court.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I do not care about your other debates with people. How is this related to those things you claimed to be facts? You cannot make a claim and then say the burden of proof is on me. Nor does this seem to support your argument in any way, so I have no reason to deny it. Most people don't want to pay, so they download. That's cool with me and probably correct, I won't dispute that.
Yeah, and not wanting to pay for something you can just hop online and steal is laziness.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
And regardless, you were not able to actually back this up with anything but "I've had debates with some people and they were lazy" this does not cut it as an actual study, nor does it cut it as proof.
It doesn't need a study. It expresses a discernable lack of effort associated with laziness.
I never claimed that it had been scientifically proven, but then neither was the Earth being round at one point. It always was, though.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Oh we're on to respecting an idea now? These points of yours flutter around quite a bit. Or was that actually the point you were trying to make with the album analogy? Is an entire album an idea? Not a great analogy, since it doesn't connect well with comics being singular pieces, unless you were referring to tradebacks and the more popular single songs often being released as singles. So people not listening to entire albums is something which has been occurring for some time.But if the analogy holds. Okay, care. I don't respect Matt Fraction or his ideas. I don't deny this, I don't respect their ideas. I'll downloading the shit outta those comics, delete 'em, download 'em, maybe even download two copies and delete 'em both.
You need me to tell you if the analogy holds?
Then you're doing it out of spite and you're being worse than lazy; you're being an idiot and putting effort into shit you DISLIKE.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Hey, it seems like you actually think I'm claiming that downloading is decent? Are you? Because if this is the case, then you need to take a step back and look this over. Downloading is morally wrong, causes an unknown degree of financial loss to comic stores/certain companies. Fortunately for me, I am such a god awful person that I don't mind downloading certain comics and not buying them.
At least you're honest about that. I have more respect for someone who can admit it, although that opens another degree of assholeism.
You're not a god-awful person for downloading, you just suck.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Effectively. It's still going to qualify as theft in court.
I would not face an American court, and I would not be tried for theft, but copyright infringement.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah, and not wanting to pay for something you can just hop online and steal is laziness.
Using that, any "easier" way can be argued for being lazy. I don't use the old well at the top of a hill near where I live, instead I get water from the facet. I'm not lazy, I'm using something that's more practical. The fact that downloading is unethical, doesn't mean I'm lazy simply because I feel like circumventing an order at amazon.co.uk. Your entire argument is based around the fact that I work to earn my money, which is false. I live off my student loans, which I will receive no matter how much work I put in. So it's not laziness, it's spite.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I never claimed that it had been scientifically proven, but then neither was the Earth being round at one point. It always was, though.
Once again, awful analogy. We're looking for the reasoning behind an action. This doesn't become a fact until you can prove it. You might think it is, but it's not a fact.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Then you're doing it out of spite and you're being worse than lazy; you're being an idiot and putting effort into shit you DISLIKE.
It's not just think I dislike, but things that do not meet my purchase-bar. Like New Avengers. It's not a "bad" comic by my standards, but it's still not one I want to buy.