Master Court
Senior Member
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor has stated on panel on different occasions that he restrains his strength against all mortals, and has stated that Hulk falls into that category. I have proof and even posted scans. Just because you choose to ignore them doesn’t mean that they aren’t there. When did I state Thor is stronger than the Hulk? Yes depending on his rate of amping Thor is beyond the Hulk in strength but the Hulk can reach his level of strength, sooner or later. When he fights Thor, his rage is so great it’s sooner rather than later. The radiation statement is not without basis. I am simply going by what was drawn on panel. If you choose to disagree that is fine but that is my stance. Prove me otherwise and I will concede. It is really that simple, and no need for the long winded statements of pointless crap.At least you attempted an argument here. That scan is not anything new I have seen. I’ve read that fight countless times. Simple fact is, that there are definitely more examples of Thor stating that he holds back against mortals and that includes the Hulk on more the one occasions trumps the one instance in all their countless brawls that states that Thor hits him without holding back. As far as I know that is the only instance unless I am forgetting any others but I highly doubt it. When a statement contradicts another statement, yet one statement has more examples than the other, we tend to whole the statement with the more backing more legitimately.
It’s not as if the notion that Thor restrains himself against mortals is illogical. Thor has been capable of killing both the Hulk and the Thing in battle with one arm when necessary. In the past his one shot Namor when necessary. He really does restrain himself against mortals which include the Hulk based on showings like these. If he didn’t restrain his strength in their battles, than logically the Hulk with his ever increasing strength should overpower Thor sooner or later. Yet even if they dead lock for hours on end, with the Hulk continuously amping his strength to higher and higher levels has failed to overpower him and Thor didn’t even seem tired. That means that Thor is restraining his strength, because despite Hulk’s amping Thor is capable of matching him. He simply taps more in his strength reserve. Truly, it’s just common sense. Even if the incarnation is that much more powerful such as the mindless Hulk. It really is incredibly logical if you look at their fights. I don’t see why you disagree with this notion so entirely.
Of course I am. What else am I supposed to base it on? I haven’t drawn my own conclusion, but on the conclusion in the comic. What exactly have you explained? All you do is run your mouth over pointless garbage and whine. You haven’t proven anything worthwhile. I’m the only one who actually pays attention to detail? That’s fine. I don’t know about how other people feel, but personally I would rather be the only one right in a world full of morons than then be wrong with everyone else.
You keep trying to quantify the footsteps as a feat of strength. How can you do so when it’s rather clear, the moment he takes his steps, energy originates from him, travels through the ground, and opens up fissures that burst with gamma energy?
I simply see it incorrect to state, that World Breaker Hulk is oh so powerful based on a footstep which classification as a strength feat is in doubt.
I have no clue. Apparently it wasn’t until his foot step that it became more than a light shown. Objects across the city where incinerated by the energy, yet the heroes around him were only tossed around by the energy as I recall.
Look how much space you take up you greedy sonofab*tch! It's my turn motherf*cker!
Let's do this in points, you badass sh*tkickin' sonofab*tch! I f*ckin love you!
1. Whether he as or hasn't restrained himself against Hulk on one or more occasions, which he didn't elaborate on how often and to what extent, he has been proven to have used his maximum strength against Hulk to no real improvement in effect. Additionally, if he were so superior to Hulk, KO'ing him without killing would be the simplest thing in the world. Since I've proven Thor doesn't always hold back, his statement in your scan is either a lie, or his maximum isn't that much better than his standard. I don't think of Thor as a liar. Or that he would be so weak. Rather, I think Hulk is much more powerful than either you and/or Thor gives him credit for. Not to mention Hulk has withstood much more brutal attacks than Thor's ever dished out on him. Whether Thor can't or hasn't has no bearing.
2. Regardless of the incredible feats of one incarnation or another, be it Planet Hulk, WWHulk/World Breaker, Prof Hulk, etc, if any Hulk can achieve it, so can Savage Hulk, because he is the pure Hulk and true "the madder the stronger" persona. Regardless if you believe Hulk's strength is not infinite for whatever reasons, it's a fact that no one, not Apocalypse, Leader, SHIELD, Iron Man, Thanos, no one has ever managed to find his limit, and Hulk's strength has never failed him. Even if Hulk himself has doubted himself on rare occasions. That's not even taking into account that in comics, anything is possible, even "infinite". Otherwise half that sh*t that happens wouldn't happen. Not very exciting comics. Canon, it's accepted that Hulk's strength is limitless. By the very definition, he's stronger than Thor. Or can be.
3. The context of your scan can be seen as Thor referring to his overall power. As we've seen before, Thor's lightning has the potential to KO Hulk. Since by Thor's own personal experience Thor knows a strike with his maximum strength, even with Mjolnir, was taken by Hulk as if it were any other shot, why would he hold back strength? Now, Thor was speaking of his Warrior Madness. If he cuts loose, he goes into WM mode. Same as "god-mode" Sentry. He gets caught up in the battle, the fury of his own power, and he looses it. And by his statement "I become as dangerous as the Hulk himself", he's clearly referring to endangering innocent civilians. So I think his statement about holding back isn't about taking it easy on Hulk. I think he's saying he's tried not to overindulge himself, thus going into Warrior Madness, and then endangering lives. So while he's been proven to not hold back strength, he could very well be referring to his bloodlust, and not having all his spirit in the fight. Bottom line, his statement was not belittling Hulk or even trying to imply superiority. He was merely stating the dangers of Warrior Madness. Whatever the case may be; terms like 'doubling strength' directly imply limits. As significant a double-strength boost is, strength that grows exponentially with every passing second would eventually overcome it, and strength is never measured by minimums.
4. In case no one has yet noticed or pointed it out, Invisible Woman or someone was shielding everyone at ground zero of the World Breaker energy surge. They were in bubbles. And, I see how it can very well look like the gamma doing it, but the big "KKRRRRAAAAKOOOOOOOM" of the footstep makes it a little less ambiguous. Not to mention the gamma wasn't concussive force. Hulk didn't explode. It was simply an energy off-put. Radiation no less. Radiation on it's own does no real damage to inorganic objects. Sometimes burning, melting, irradiating, and general marring, but no amount of radiation can crack through a street and cause a continental earthquake. Nuclear bombs, sure, but the radiation has nothing to do with the damage. Radiation wouldn't even crack a window. And it's not some "special" gamma. It's Hulk. It's gamma. And while the radiation may have been pouring out, it left buildings standing, cars and road signs standing, even little people standing. While the earthquake reached far far beyond the yield of the radiation. So if it was the gamma doing the damage, and enough to cause earthquakes at that, that would have made it significant concussive force and would have easily leveled the whole damn area.
5. Your "Thor has killed Hulk and Thing with one arm tied behind his back" point. I don't know where it's from, I mean I know you're not lying of course, but it's obviously a very isolated incident. Hulk has one-shot backhanded Hercules. He's tossed Namor and Hercules aside while they were struggling to restrain him, and they obviously weren't holding back mind you. He's even dealt with Thor on occasion. Yet, for a majority, all these characters regularly either hang/go toe-to-toe/or downright contend with Hulk. That's the funny thing about isolated incidents. They can show us some of the "cutting loose" possibilities and potential of characters like Hulk and Thor. And, of course, potential can also show possibilities. Imagine the issue where Thor is going through a portal with Hulk, Hulk sucker punches him, and pounds him into the ground. At that instant, Thor was very much at Hulk's mercy. What if Hulk didn't stop? Got madder and madder, stronger. Hulk always has the power to fight Thor, he has a ready potential to soon enough get stronger than Thor, and at that instant, there was a possibility of Hulk beating Thor to death. Would-a, should-a, could-a, right? My point is Hulk is stronger than Thor, and Hulk's strength is enough to challenge Thor's durability. Honestly, Thor doesn't win by strength and power. He wins by fighting skills. That's what I was getting at when I quoted Thor saying "You might be stronger than me, etc". Thor's meaning was that strength doesn't win every battle. And Thor has much more to him than strength.
