Destroyer vs WWH

Originally posted by Master Court Look how much space you take up you greedy sonofab*tch! It's my turn motherf*cker!

Let's do this in points, you badass sh*tkickin' sonofab*tch! I f*ckin love you!

hysterical

I lol’d hard. Man I freaking hate doing it points. I rather have it broken down into large numbers of small paragraphs than short numbers of extremely long paragraphs. They are a ***** and to boring to read. Thanks for that, by the way.

Originally posted by Master Court 1. Whether he as or hasn't restrained himself against Hulk on one or more occasions, which he didn't elaborate on how often and to what extent, he has been proven to have used his maximum strength against Hulk to no real improvement in effect. Additionally, if he were so superior to Hulk, KO'ing him without killing would be the simplest thing in the world. Since I've proven Thor doesn't always hold back, his statement in your scan is either a lie, or his maximum isn't that much better than his standard. I don't think of Thor as a liar. Or that he would be so weak. Rather, I think Hulk is much more powerful than either you and/or Thor gives him credit for. Not to mention Hulk has withstood much more brutal attacks than Thor's ever dished out on him. Whether Thor can't or hasn't has no bearing.

Let’s look at the evidence presented. You have multiple scans stating he holds back against mortals, and you have a scan specifically stating he holds back against the Hulk as he does against other mortals. The only instance that states that Thor doesn’t hold back against the Hulk, is after a prolonged fight with Mindless Hulk (The same Hulk who was manhandling Namor, Wonder Man, Hercules, Iron Man, and the rest of Avengers. The same Hulk who gave Dr. Strange hell and has the craziest feats for the Hulk. At the very least up there with Green Scar in my opinion.), where he states he has had enough, and the narrator states he does not hold back, and he hits Hulk and downs him in a single blow (That was the end of the fight.).

The best you, someone who is arguing in favor of the Hulk can get from this is that in that specific instance Thor stops holding back and uses his actual level of strength to an extent. That is acceptable as there was on panel proof to back up your statement. What is also acceptable based on the evidence is that Thor holds back his level of strength against the Hulk in all other occasions as no matter how much the Hulk amps he can still never put down Thor. It’s because no matter how strong he gets, Thor simple exerts more effort to much the constant amping.

I mean they have dead locked for entire hours, and before that the Hulk was so enraged that he was practically mindless as stated. At the end of the fight the Hulk’s level of power must have been ridiculous yet Thor showed no signs of tiring. Thor has shown that he can dish out a lot more than he has ever hit the Hulk with as far as I can tell. I’ve never seen Thor hit Hulk with enough force upside the head with enough force to shatter entire planets. Thor has casually used that amount of force in the past. Thor can hit a lot harder than he does against mortals. The fact that he can down someone like the Silver Surfer with a blow, the same Silver Surfer whose level of durability is ridiculous as he casually survives in black holes, exploding Suns, Solar System wiping out attacks without a scratch and shrugs of Hulk’s blows without so much as a second thought, shows how much strength Thor truly possesses. Aside from Cosmic level beings, Thor arguably posses the vastest strength reserve there is.

Originally posted by Master Court 2. Regardless of the incredible feats of one incarnation or another, be it Planet Hulk, WWHulk/World Breaker, Prof Hulk, etc, if any Hulk can achieve it, so can Savage Hulk, because he is the pure Hulk and true "the madder the stronger" persona. Regardless if you believe Hulk's strength is not infinite for whatever reasons, it's a fact that no one, not Apocalypse, Leader, SHIELD, Iron Man, Thanos, no one has ever managed to find his limit, and Hulk's strength has never failed him. Even if Hulk himself has doubted himself on rare occasions. That's not even taking into account that in comics, anything is possible, even "infinite". Otherwise half that sh*t that happens wouldn't happen. Not very exciting comics. Canon, it's accepted that Hulk's strength is limitless. By the very definition, he's stronger than Thor. Or can be.

Of course Savage Hulk can achieve it. I personally view Green Scar, as simply an evolved Savage Hulk and nothing more. Hence why it really pisses me off that Jeph Loeb ignored all the character progress and reverted him back to his mindless state, and Greg Pak has to try and explain it by stating Bruce Banner holds back the persona. I don’t believe any character’s strength is actually infinite except if you’re “The One Above All”. No matter how strong someone is, there will always be someone, stronger. Hulk’s strength may be infinite in comparison to some characters, but would you call it say infinite in comparison to Galactus? Marvel has always had somewhat of a problem with their different levels of infinite. Yes potentially he is stronger than Thor and his power set should by definition allow him to be stronger eventually. He just hasn’t you know, shown it, in all of their history. Despite having entire hours on end, to amp in strength and jump in strength constantly, he hasn’t been able to overpower Thor. Ever. It’s true, his strength hasn’t truly ever failed him (Although he has been defeated in the past, and certainly can be defeated.), except you know, against Thor. 😛

Originally posted by Master Court 3. The context of your scan can be seen as Thor referring to his overall power. As we've seen before, Thor's lightning has the potential to KO Hulk.

Not really. Thor practically never uses his power against the Hulk. The most he has ever utilized against the Hulk is a blast of lightning, and he did nothing more than that, in the fight that occurred after either. So I’m pretty certain it’s in regards to his strength. Not potential. His one shotted the Hulk with a bolt of lightning.

Originally posted by Master Court Since by Thor's own personal experience Thor knows a strike with his maximum strength, even with Mjolnir, was taken by Hulk as if it were any other shot, why would he hold back strength?

A strike with maximum strength? Where does it even say that? Like I said, Thor stopped holding back, and brought his strength to a next level. That highly means from use his maximum strength and hits him with his strongest blow. Thor when blood lusted has one shotted Beta Ray Bill, dropped Maxam, Drax with the Power Gem, and the Silver Surfer and so on with a single blow. If it was a blow at maximum strength, he would have been doubt and out. That’s a safe bet. He would hold back his strength because like he has stated, and explained, when he fights mortals, he has to restrain himself, and bring himself to his opponent’s levels in fear of killing them and others.

Originally posted by Master Court Now, Thor was speaking of his Warrior Madness. If he cuts loose, he goes into WM mode. Same as "god-mode" Sentry. He gets caught up in the battle, the fury of his own power, and he looses it. And by his statement "I become as dangerous as the Hulk himself", he's clearly referring to endangering innocent civilians. So I think his statement about holding back isn't about taking it easy on Hulk. I think he's saying he's tried not to overindulge himself, thus going into Warrior Madness, and then endangering lives. So while he's been proven to not hold back strength, he could very well be referring to his bloodlust, and not having all his spirit in the fight. Bottom line, his statement was not belittling Hulk or even trying to imply superiority. He was merely stating the dangers of Warrior Madness.

Speculation is as far as it goes. Thor cutting loose does not equate to him going into Warrior Madness. Far from it. Thor cutting loose would equate to him using all of his strength and power and far from equates him entering Warrior Madness. Warrior Madness is an extremely rare state, that even when he has tried to enter, he has failed. When he refers to his berserker rage (There are some issues in that comic in regards to this state.), yes he refers to being as dangerous as the Hulk himself, as Thor in that state, is extremely brutal. He is referring to himself being as savage as the Hulk. Yes innocents would in danger. I think saying he restrains himself against the Hulk like he does other mortals, and goes on to talk about his berserker rage (Which he needed the amp in that issue as he was nearly powerless.), and how dangerous he could be in that state. That seems far more likely based on Thor’s history.

It’s only been proven that Thor didn’t hold back his strength with that single blow and not in any other instances in all of their fights. It was not belittiling Hulk but the fact that it proves he restrains himself against the Hulk as his past statements also back up, it does imply his superiority. Yes he was explaining the dangers of berserker rage (With which there were issues within that comic.), “after” he explained he restrained himself against the Hulk.

Originally posted by Master Court Whatever the case may be; terms like 'doubling strength' directly imply limits. As significant a double-strength boost is, strength that grows exponentially with every passing second would eventually overcome it, and strength is never measured by minimums.

Your point? If you are trying to imply that Thor has a limit to his strength, this limit has never been shown, and he has been stated to have unlimited strength on different occasions. Yes the Hulk’s strength does grow exponentially with every second, but even with hours and hours of amping, he has never been shown to overcome Thor, in all of their fights. I mean never.

Originally posted by Master Court 4. In case no one has yet noticed or pointed it out, Invisible Woman or someone was shielding everyone at ground zero of the World Breaker energy surge. They were in bubbles. And, I see how it can very well look like the gamma doing it, but the big "KKRRRRAAAAKOOOOOOOM" of the footstep makes it a little less ambiguous. Not to mention the gamma wasn't concussive force. Hulk didn't explode. It was simply an energy off-put. Radiation no less. Radiation on it's own does no real damage to inorganic objects. Sometimes burning, melting, irradiating, and general marring, but no amount of radiation can crack through a street and cause a continental earthquake. Nuclear bombs, sure, but the radiation has nothing to do with the damage. Radiation wouldn't even crack a window. And it's not some "special" gamma. It's Hulk. It's gamma. And while the radiation may have been pouring out, it left buildings standing, cars and road signs standing, even little people standing. While the earthquake reached far far beyond the yield of the radiation. So if it was the gamma doing the damage, and enough to cause earthquakes at that, that would have made it significant concussive force and would have easily leveled the whole damn area.

The problem is that even before the foot step was made, you could see a loud “RAKOOOOMMM” as radiation incinerates buildings/objects and so on across the landscape. It was clearly doing damage to inorganic life and so on. The “KRAKOOOM”, was portrayed throughout the page, as the Hulk took the step, and even “after” the Hulk took the step, the same sound was portrayed, as gamma radiation burst out of the ground in fissures. Hulk exploding would just be illogical as he was the one projecting the energy. The radiation/energy pouring out of him was ricking havoc across the landscape.

Your argument is that, because in real live, radiation, doesn’t damage inorganic objects, it cannot possibly do so in fictional comics even though it’s clearly portrayed that his radiation can in fact damage in organic objects, and was even shown to be tossing around the super humans close to him? That is flawed logic.
The same argument can be used against the argument that Hulk’s footsteps caused the damage. It didn’t level the area in his vicinity yet caused earth quakes so far out which because it did should have easily leveled the area. The same argument could be used.

Originally posted by Master Court 5. Your "Thor has killed Hulk and Thing with one arm tied behind his back" point. I don't know where it's from, I mean I know you're not lying of course, but it's obviously a very isolated incident.

It happened during the “Reigning Arc” when Thor with the Odin Force took over the Earth. Dr. Strange by using power given to him from the other pantheons used an amulet to remove the Odin Force. Then the Thing and Hulk jumped him at the same, and attacked him. Thor defeated and killed both of them. Not really. As I said, Thor restrains himself against the Hulk, so if pushed, Thor killing them both, does not surprise me.

Originally posted by Master Court Hulk has one-shot backhanded Hercules. He's tossed Namor and Hercules aside while they were struggling to restrain him, and they obviously weren't holding back mind you. He's even dealt with Thor on occasion.

Your point? Thor has easily one shotted Namor. Don’t try and use Hercules as a measuring stick. Although they are portrayed as equals in their contained battles, outside of them, Thor is clearly portrayed on a different level. That much is obvious, as the very same Hulk who did that to Hercules and Namor, was stalemated by Thor while he was restraining himself as usual.

When has Hulk ever dealt with Thor, going by the context of your post? The Hulk has never, ever managed to put Thor down, no matter his incarnation, level of anger or power, much to his frustration.

Originally posted by Master Court Yet, for a majority, all these characters regularly either hang/go toe-to-toe/or downright contend with Hulk. That's the funny thing about isolated incidents.

Mindless Hulk is clearly superior to his Savage incarnation as far as I can tell. The funny thing is that no matter the incident, whether isolated or other, the Hulk has never, ever managed to defeat Thor.

Originally posted by Master Court They can show us some of the "cutting loose" possibilities and potential of characters like Hulk and Thor. And, of course, potential can also show possibilities.

That’s fine.

Originally posted by Master Court Imagine the issue where Thor is going through a portal with Hulk, Hulk sucker punches him, and pounds him into the ground. At that instant, Thor was very much at Hulk's mercy. What if Hulk didn't stop? Got madder and madder, stronger.

Okay I will. Very much at Hulk’s mercy? He was attacked and was surprised. Thor with his experience, would have gotten over that surprise very easily, and one lightning bolt would have ended that fight again. The Hulk getting madder, and stronger, has never mattered when his fought Thor. Thor has always been able to match the Hulk as his strength reserve is that vast.

Originally posted by Master Court Hulk always has the power to fight Thor, he has a ready potential to soon enough get stronger than Thor, and at that instant, there was a possibility of Hulk beating Thor to death.

Yes he does have the power to fight Thor as Thor always restrains his strength and practically never uses his actual power. The potential to soon enough get stronger than Thor? If he had the potential to soon enough get stronger than Thor, he would have done it, when Thor dead locked him for hours on end, with his supposed potentially infinite strength, and constant amping without even showing a sign of getting tired.

No there wasn’t. Lulz at Hulk beating Thor to death, based on what Thor has tanked.

Originally posted by Master Court Would-a, should-a, could-a, right? My point is Hulk is stronger than Thor, and Hulk's strength is enough to challenge Thor's durability.

Right.

My point is that your point is completely baseless. Neither you with any evidence nor the Hulk in all of their fights, have never proven, ever, that he is stronger than Thor. Never. You state it as if it’s some fact, but it’s clearly not. The worst the Hulk has ever given Thor is superficial wounds, such as a drop of blood and so on. Thor with his Asgardian nature can keep on fighting with almost every bone in his body broken. His damage soak is practically the best there is.

Originally posted by Master Court Honestly, Thor doesn't win by strength and power.

Actually, yes Thor does win with the strength and power. That much has been proven rather clearly has it not?

Thor is capable of matching the Hulk in strength and even restrains himself. In terms of power, it’s no contest. Thor is a lot, and I mean a lot, more powerful than the Hulk. He has dropped his ass with a single lightning attack. If Thor wishes, his fights with Hulk don’t last for more than a moment, but fortunately for him, he puts down Mjolnir, and goes fist to fist with the Hulk.

Originally posted by Master Court He wins by fighting skills.

Not really. He could, but when he fights the Hulk, he doesn’t really use his skill and simply fights a brawling style like the Hulk, which is all that has ever been needed really.

Originally posted by Master Court That's what I was getting at when I quoted Thor saying "You might be stronger than me, etc". Thor's meaning was that strength doesn't win every battle. And Thor has much more to him than strength.

I already addressed the quote in another post. That’s fine.

Originally posted by leonidas
you think what--the footstep caused SOME cracks, and the energy somehow continued to expand beyond the range of the damage caused by the footstep??

so . . . show me where we draw the line between where the damage from the footstep/shockwave ended, and the damage from JUST the energy started.

Something like that. It seemed that when the Hulk took a step, the energy expanded underground, and even seemed to travel as they exploded as fissures from the ground causing severe damage.

I don't you really can accurately. But it seems pretty clear, that the environmental damage was as large as it was, in large part due to the energy. Quantifying it as a pure strength feat seems wrong to me.

Originally posted by leonidas
no doubt at all in my mind, actually. in thor 385 thor tossed his hammer away and got WORKED by hulk. yeah, yeah, all thor fans will say he was still standing at the end, but hulk let up after landing several undefended blows. it was a decisive enough win to enrage fans and have marvel swamped with letters by po'd thor fans. you and other thor fans (of which i am among the largest) can rationalize it however you want, but that fight was clearly won by hulk.

Well, maybe in your mind, where I guess anything goes and not everything works to well, so I'll let it slide. 😛

Got worked by the Hulk? How about you re-read that issue? If you want to post scans I can. He was clearly still standing and able to find in the end.

He let up after several undefending blows? He kept pounding on Thor, frustrated that no matter how hard he tried, he couldn't put him down, screaming "WHY?" and so on. Thor jumps at him, Hulk hits him away, Thor then gets back up as the Hulk approaches, and the Hulk starts shtting bricks as Mjolnir returned.

The Hulk is lucky that Thor doesn't press his advantage and attacks as much ferocity as he does. Thor downs the Hulk, and has him at his mercy, and simply stands over him as he asks him to surrender and so on. Hell, Thor was even worried about the Hulk as he knocked him away, and didn't mean to really harm him, just to stop him.

You count that as a decisive win? Are you serious? So you also count it as a win, as Thor downs the Hulk in a single blow, and stands over him, having even the time to monologue? Or when Thor hits him so hard, he is thrown into a building and is gone for a time presumably down? Or when Thor hits him so hard, he flies into a trailer that explodes, and is gone for such a period of time, that Thor has time to rescue a civilian, and bring him to safety?

Clearly won by the Hulk? Put on your glasses and take another look. As always it was a stalemate. A win, is a knock out. You know when Thor knocks out the Hulk.

Good lord you're committed.

I really don't see why that needed so many posts. 😬

Hulk is the strongest one around; if you think Thor can match him, you must be insane. thorinn

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
hysterical

I lol’d hard. Man I freaking hate doing it points. I rather have it broken down into large numbers of small paragraphs than short numbers of extremely long paragraphs. They are a ***** and to boring to read. Thanks for that, by the way.

Let’s look at the evidence presented. You have multiple scans stating he holds back against mortals, and you have a scan specifically stating he holds back against the Hulk as he does against other mortals. The only instance that states that Thor doesn’t hold back against the Hulk, is after a prolonged fight with Mindless Hulk (The same Hulk who was manhandling Namor, Wonder Man, Hercules, Iron Man, and the rest of Avengers. The same Hulk who gave Dr. Strange hell and has the craziest feats for the Hulk. At the very least up there with Green Scar in my opinion.), where he states he has had enough, and the narrator states he does not hold back, and he hits Hulk and downs him in a single blow (That was the end of the fight.).

The best you, someone who is arguing in favor of the Hulk can get from this is that in that specific instance Thor stops holding back and uses his actual level of strength to an extent. That is acceptable as there was on panel proof to back up your statement. What is also acceptable based on the evidence is that Thor holds back his level of strength against the Hulk in all other occasions as no matter how much the Hulk amps he can still never put down Thor. It’s because no matter how strong he gets, Thor simple exerts more effort to much the constant amping.

I mean they have dead locked for entire hours, and before that the Hulk was so enraged that he was practically mindless as stated. At the end of the fight the Hulk’s level of power must have been ridiculous yet Thor showed no signs of tiring. Thor has shown that he can dish out a lot more than he has ever hit the Hulk with as far as I can tell. I’ve never seen Thor hit Hulk with enough force upside the head with enough force to shatter entire planets. Thor has casually used that amount of force in the past. Thor can hit a lot harder than he does against mortals. The fact that he can down someone like the Silver Surfer with a blow, the same Silver Surfer whose level of durability is ridiculous as he casually survives in black holes, exploding Suns, Solar System wiping out attacks without a scratch and shrugs of Hulk’s blows without so much as a second thought, shows how much strength Thor truly possesses. Aside from Cosmic level beings, Thor arguably posses the vastest strength reserve there is.

Of course Savage Hulk can achieve it. I personally view Green Scar, as simply an evolved Savage Hulk and nothing more. Hence why it really pisses me off that Jeph Loeb ignored all the character progress and reverted him back to his mindless state, and Greg Pak has to try and explain it by stating Bruce Banner holds back the persona. I don’t believe any character’s strength is actually infinite except if you’re “The One Above All”. No matter how strong someone is, there will always be someone, stronger. Hulk’s strength may be infinite in comparison to some characters, but would you call it say infinite in comparison to Galactus? Marvel has always had somewhat of a problem with their different levels of infinite. Yes potentially he is stronger than Thor and his power set should by definition allow him to be stronger eventually. He just hasn’t you know, shown it, in all of their history. Despite having entire hours on end, to amp in strength and jump in strength constantly, he hasn’t been able to overpower Thor. Ever. It’s true, his strength hasn’t truly ever failed him (Although he has been defeated in the past, and certainly can be defeated.), except you know, against Thor. 😛

Not really. Thor practically never uses his power against the Hulk. The most he has ever utilized against the Hulk is a blast of lightning, and he did nothing more than that, in the fight that occurred after either. So I’m pretty certain it’s in regards to his strength. Not potential. His one shotted the Hulk with a bolt of lightning.

A strike with maximum strength? Where does it even say that? Like I said, Thor stopped holding back, and brought his strength to a next level. That highly means from use his maximum strength and hits him with his strongest blow. Thor when blood lusted has one shotted Beta Ray Bill, dropped Maxam, Drax with the Power Gem, and the Silver Surfer and so on with a single blow. If it was a blow at maximum strength, he would have been doubt and out. That’s a safe bet. He would hold back his strength because like he has stated, and explained, when he fights mortals, he has to restrain himself, and bring himself to his opponent’s levels in fear of killing them and others.

Speculation is as far as it goes. Thor cutting loose does not equate to him going into Warrior Madness. Far from it. Thor cutting loose would equate to him using all of his strength and power and far from equates him entering Warrior Madness. Warrior Madness is an extremely rare state, that even when he has tried to enter, he has failed. When he refers to his berserker rage (There are some issues in that comic in regards to this state.), yes he refers to being as dangerous as the Hulk himself, as Thor in that state, is extremely brutal. He is referring to himself being as savage as the Hulk. Yes innocents would in danger. I think saying he restrains himself against the Hulk like he does other mortals, and goes on to talk about his berserker rage (Which he needed the amp in that issue as he was nearly powerless.), and how dangerous he could be in that state. That seems far more likely based on Thor’s history.

It’s only been proven that Thor didn’t hold back his strength with that single blow and not in any other instances in all of their fights. It was not belittiling Hulk but the fact that it proves he restrains himself against the Hulk as his past statements also back up, it does imply his superiority. Yes he was explaining the dangers of berserker rage (With which there were issues within that comic.), “after” he explained he restrained himself against the Hulk.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Your point? If you are trying to imply that Thor has a limit to his strength, this limit has never been shown, and he has been stated to have unlimited strength on different occasions. Yes the Hulk’s strength does grow exponentially with every second, but even with hours and hours of amping, he has never been shown to overcome Thor, in all of their fights. I mean never.

The problem is that even before the foot step was made, you could see a loud “RAKOOOOMMM” as radiation incinerates buildings/objects and so on across the landscape. It was clearly doing damage to inorganic life and so on. The “KRAKOOOM”, was portrayed throughout the page, as the Hulk took the step, and even “after” the Hulk took the step, the same sound was portrayed, as gamma radiation burst out of the ground in fissures. Hulk exploding would just be illogical as he was the one projecting the energy. The radiation/energy pouring out of him was ricking havoc across the landscape.

Your argument is that, because in real live, radiation, doesn’t damage inorganic objects, it cannot possibly do so in fictional comics even though it’s clearly portrayed that his radiation can in fact damage in organic objects, and was even shown to be tossing around the super humans close to him? That is flawed logic.
The same argument can be used against the argument that Hulk’s footsteps caused the damage. It didn’t level the area in his vicinity yet caused earth quakes so far out which because it did should have easily leveled the area. The same argument could be used.

It happened during the “Reigning Arc” when Thor with the Odin Force took over the Earth. Dr. Strange by using power given to him from the other pantheons used an amulet to remove the Odin Force. Then the Thing and Hulk jumped him at the same, and attacked him. Thor defeated and killed both of them. Not really. As I said, Thor restrains himself against the Hulk, so if pushed, Thor killing them both, does not surprise me.

Your point? Thor has easily one shotted Namor. Don’t try and use Hercules as a measuring stick. Although they are portrayed as equals in their contained battles, outside of them, Thor is clearly portrayed on a different level. That much is obvious, as the very same Hulk who did that to Hercules and Namor, was stalemated by Thor while he was restraining himself as usual.

When has Hulk ever dealt with Thor, going by the context of your post? The Hulk has never, ever managed to put Thor down, no matter his incarnation, level of anger or power, much to his frustration.

Mindless Hulk is clearly superior to his Savage incarnation as far as I can tell. The funny thing is that no matter the incident, whether isolated or other, the Hulk has never, ever managed to defeat Thor.

That’s fine.

Okay I will. Very much at Hulk’s mercy? He was attacked and was surprised. Thor with his experience, would have gotten over that surprise very easily, and one lightning bolt would have ended that fight again. The Hulk getting madder, and stronger, has never mattered when his fought Thor. Thor has always been able to match the Hulk as his strength reserve is that vast.

Yes he does have the power to fight Thor as Thor always restrains his strength and practically never uses his actual power. The potential to soon enough get stronger than Thor? If he had the potential to soon enough get stronger than Thor, he would have done it, when Thor dead locked him for hours on end, with his supposed potentially infinite strength, and constant amping without even showing a sign of getting tired.

No there wasn’t. Lulz at Hulk beating Thor to death, based on what Thor has tanked.

Right.

My point is that your point is completely baseless. Neither you with any evidence nor the Hulk in all of their fights, have never proven, ever, that he is stronger than Thor. Never. You state it as if it’s some fact, but it’s clearly not. The worst the Hulk has ever given Thor is superficial wounds, such as a drop of blood and so on. Thor with his Asgardian nature can keep on fighting with almost every bone in his body broken. His damage soak is practically the best there is.

Actually, yes Thor does win with the strength and power. That much has been proven rather clearly has it not?

Thor is capable of matching the Hulk in strength and even restrains himself. In terms of power, it’s no contest. Thor is a lot, and I mean a lot, more powerful than the Hulk. He has dropped his ass with a single lightning attack. If Thor wishes, his fights with Hulk don’t last for more than a moment, but fortunately for him, he puts down Mjolnir, and goes fist to fist with the Hulk.

Not really. He could, but when he fights the Hulk, he doesn’t really use his skill and simply fights a brawling style like the Hulk, which is all that has ever been needed really.

I already addressed the quote in another post. That’s fine.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Something like that. It seemed that when the Hulk took a step, the energy expanded underground, and even seemed to travel as they exploded as fissures from the ground causing severe damage.

I don't you really can accurately. But it seems pretty clear, that the environmental damage was as large as it was, in large part due to the energy. Quantifying it as a pure strength feat seems wrong to me.

Well, maybe in your mind, where I guess anything goes and not everything works to well, so I'll let it slide. 😛

Got worked by the Hulk? How about you re-read that issue? If you want to post scans I can. He was clearly still standing and able to find in the end.

He let up after several undefending blows? He kept pounding on Thor, frustrated that no matter how hard he tried, he couldn't put him down, screaming "WHY?" and so on. Thor jumps at him, Hulk hits him away, Thor then gets back up as the Hulk approaches, and the Hulk starts shtting bricks as Mjolnir returned.

The Hulk is lucky that Thor doesn't press his advantage and attacks as much ferocity as he does. Thor downs the Hulk, and has him at his mercy, and simply stands over him as he asks him to surrender and so on. Hell, Thor was even worried about the Hulk as he knocked him away, and didn't mean to really harm him, just to stop him.

You count that as a decisive win? Are you serious? So you also count it as a win, as Thor downs the Hulk in a single blow, and stands over him, having even the time to monologue? Or when Thor hits him so hard, he is thrown into a building and is gone for a time presumably down? Or when Thor hits him so hard, he flies into a trailer that explodes, and is gone for such a period of time, that Thor has time to rescue a civilian, and bring him to safety?

Clearly won by the Hulk? Put on your glasses and take another look. As always it was a stalemate. A win, is a knock out. You know when Thor knocks out the Hulk.

Originally posted by Blanket
I really don't see why that needed so many posts. 😬

Hulk is the strongest one around; if you think Thor can match him, you must be insane. thorinn

Originally posted by batdude123
Good lord you're committed.

srug

Originally posted by Blanket
I really don't see why that needed so many posts. 😬

Hulk is the strongest one around; if you think Thor can match him, you must be insane. thorinn

Tell that to Marvel, and all the times, Thor has matched the Hulk, in every single one of their encounters. Based on his power set, Hulk is potentially above Thor, but Thor has been able to match him in the past.

Originally posted by Ha Son
Wrong, wrong and wrong.

What an impressive argument. Clearly I'm convinced.....

Originally posted by Ha Son
Correct.

Only if we are using some sort of fan fiction comic....

Originally posted by leonidas
^ does anyone actually READ posts that are that long? 😕

No.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What an impressive argument. Clearly I'm convinced.....

Only if we are using some sort of fan fiction comic....

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Tell that to Marvel, and all the times, Thor has matched the Hulk, in every single one of their encounters. Based on his power set, Hulk is potentially above Thor, but Thor has been able to match him in the past.

Ya, and so has Spider-Man to Thor. Jeeze, pis much?

However, remember when Red Hulk beat the crap out of Thor, and Hulk did better? Or that Hulk put him down, after Thor basically did nothing?

Ya, that's what I thought.

Hulk's dynamic power levels allow him to become stronger than Thor. To say otherwise is ridiculous. Thor is a skilled fighter, which allows him to hang, but his strength is static.

^ Also, Thor was almost taken out by a sniper. Lulz.

Originally posted by Ha Son
What about the time Hulk pwned Thor so bad he had to revert to his hammer?

What? When has Hulk ever "pwned" Thor?

What do you mean revert to his hammer? That doesn't make too much sense.

Originally posted by batdude123
Hulk's dynamic power levels allow him to become stronger than Thor. To say otherwise is ridiculous. Thor is a skilled fighter, which allows him to hang, but his strength is static.

Yea, because it's clearly skill that allows Thor to hang right? All Thor does is brawl like the Hulk does.

Skill was obviously in play, when Thor dead locked the Hulk and stalemated him in strength, for entire hours, despite his amping and did not even show signs of tiring.

Theoretically yes, his power should potentially allow him to be above Thor. Too bad his never done so.

Originally posted by Ha Son
^ Also, Thor was almost taken out by a sniper. Lulz.

Scans.

The Hulk was knocked out by Spider-Man. Lulz.

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You don't remember? Well, Thor starts beating up Hulk, so Hulk grabs an old lady and tells Thor to drop hammer. Thor drops it, and does OK, but eventually gets overwhelmed. Wut now ?!?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Scans.

The Hulk was knocked out by Spider-Man. Lulz.

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It doesn't matter anyway, because that's pis. Just like Thor matching Hulk... ever!

Do you even read Marvel?

Hulk>>>Thor in strength.

Originally posted by Blanket
Marvel clearly thinks that Hulk is the strongest one there is. Wow, that was easy.

Ya, and so has Spider-Man to Thor. Jeeze, pis much?

However, remember when Red Hulk beat the crap out of Thor, and Hulk did better? Or that Hulk put him down, after Thor basically did nothing?

Ya, that's what I thought.

Tell that to all the times Hulk's failed to beat Thor. Hulk screaming his the strongest one there is doesn't mean he actually is the strongest being ever. All the yelling off him saying that, never allowed him to put Thor down unfortunately.

Your actually using the Masterson fight as a comparsion to Thor matching Hulk?

Wait, based on that context, you consider Thor stalemating the Hulk plot induced stupidity? All the various occasions he has done so? If so, I won't even bother.

Lulz, at you using Loeb and Rulk as prove. That guy and his partner admitted that the only reason, they put Thor in that comic was to prove that Rulk was strong. Hell, they even said:

"Continuity is important to me, too, but only to a point because having the Hulk do this to Thor is pretty awesome."

How about you re-read the issue? Thor came back pissed off, and had Rulk at his mercy, in moments. He even admitted that Hulk had saved his life by interfering. Thor did nothing? Lulz.

Spider-Man did better against Rulk, than either Hulk, Thor, or the freaking Grandmaster.