Originally posted by Peterlane
Endless Mike is wrong.
Oh, that was just a wonderful and brilliant rebuttal! You completely demolished all of my arguments with that well-thought-out and diligently researched post! Have you considered joining an international debate team? Why, with eloquence like this, you would be world champion in no time!
Don't you people see Vegeto is faster than a guy who's faster than a guy who's faster than a guy who's faster than a guy who's faster than a guy who's faster than a guy who caught a bullet!
By my calculations that means he must be able to react at ten times lighspeed. Evidence be damned! Any other response is bias!
Originally posted by GalvaclawI lol'd at this silly post.
Don't you people see Vegeto is faster than a guy who's faster than a guy who's faster than a guy who's faster than a guy who's faster than a guy who's faster than a guy who caught a bullet!By my calculations that means he must be able to react at ten times lighspeed. Evidence be damned! Any other response is bias!
Originally posted by Phanteros
I lol'd at this silly post.
For next trick I will with the use of frieza planet busting prove that Vegeto is in fact a universe buster.
Marvel as I simultaneously claim The Z-verse is the same size as ours all the while grossly underestimating the size of of the universe!
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Oh, that was just a wonderful and brilliant rebuttal! You completely demolished all of my arguments with that well-thought-out and diligently researched post! Have you considered joining an international debate team? Why, with eloquence like this, you would be world champion in no time!
Thanks 🙄
But seriously I conceed
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Don't you people see Vegeto is faster than a guy who's faster than a guy who's faster than a guy who's faster than a guy who's faster than a guy who's faster than a guy who caught a bullet!By my calculations that means he must be able to react at ten times lighspeed. Evidence be damned! Any other response is bias!
Read the OP speed is equalized
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Yeah but you just know they are going to come back with more BS. Anyway, I'm done for today. See you later.
I guess you didnt understand my post; I agree with a lot that you said, flight, no, they dont have the feats to go the speed of light. Reflexes and short burst, they're far above it.
I dont care how long it took the z fighters to fly somewhere, what I want you to understand is where there reflexes is at.
Do you remember when doctor gero ( i know I spelled it wrong) shot a blast at bulma ship (that also had baby trunks in it). I could have sworn that I seen Trunks on the ground screaming in fear then all of a sudden he's on the ground with bulma and baby trunks in his hands. The plain was at least cloud height.
So he basically had to beat an already shot blast to a plane that is cloud height, take bulma and baby trunks out of the plain and then fly back to the ground before the explosion.
Another example; do you remember when frieza trapped goku in a ball of energy and frieza started bouncing and kicking goku every where?
Frieza told goku that if the ball touched anything besides him it would explode. Frieza decides to end it (the speed feat alone that frieza was performing on goku while in the ball would make anything that z has done look like shit) by kicking the ball at a far distance. The ball hit the ground and explode. While the bomb goes off (with goku inside of it), none of the blast touch him, he outraced the explosion and was directly in front of frieza before the blast even started (remember, he was inside the ball of energy the entire time).
Goku speed feats have no comparison. I'm not saying this because I'm a z fan (not going to lie, love everything behind it), I'm saying this because its the truth.
Almost forgot, you brought up raditz only catching one bullet, are you implying that raditz cant pull the speed feats that kid goku did as a child?
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
When did Flash ever go faster than light in JLU? Based of how long Flash took to lap the world each time he wasn't even going Lightspeed.Using five minutes took lots of episodes so they must be faster than light argument is ridiculous. Someone who has a thousand times human reflexes would experience 5 minutes as 83 hours or 224 episodes of Dragonball z. The fight took 8 episodes. So that clocks out at about 35 times human reflexes being generous because I'd be including a lot of non fight filler.
So 5 minutes equals loads of episodes does not mean they are above light speed.
You must forgot what went on throughout the 5 minutes of that fight? 😕
Your argument would hold some weight if we didnt witness all that sh** that happened throughout that fight. I could have sworn throughout that 5 minutes planets even got destroyed (referring to the time frieza shot that death ball and goku punched it into space)..
That 5 minute fight was above light speed, deal with it.
If this doesnt prove that the z fighters reflexes and short burst of speed is > the speed of light then you're in denial.
Fast forward to 3 minutes and 1 second and look what frieza was doing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9UPL76VNOw&feature=related&pvnpos=0
I almost forgot to add, you know that Vegeta vs Kid buu fight that happened? Guess how long that fight was? It was just 60 seconds. Vegeta shot hundreds of blast (while his hands were moving at super speed), got thrown to a mountain etc... in less than a minute.
Hell, from vegeta own mouth, he stated that a fight for 60 seconds is like eternity. Then another thing, within the 60 seconds, Vegeta was koed TWICE, conversation went on between Goku and Vegeta, etc....
Like I said before, light speed aint sh** to DBZ. People like Krillin would laugh at someone with light speed reflexes.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
LOL@ Super speed speech. Exactly how do you even accomplish that?GOKU IS OMFG 10000000000000000000s of times faster than light. Hush fanboy. SSJ Gotenks (who is stronger than Goku) took a minute to get to Buu's house and he was trying to get there as fast as he could, meaning that even if it was the other side of the world, his max speed would be about Mach 1000, or less than a 900th of lightspeed. Even Super Buu with Gohan absorbed wasn't able to reach Goku and Vegeto before they fused. They're very fast, but they aren't lightspeed.
I don't recall him going FTL in the show, exactly what episodes did he do this?
Do you remember when doctor gero ( i know I spelled it wrong) shot a blast at bulma ship (that also had baby trunks in it). I could have sworn that I seen Trunks on the ground screaming in fear then all of a sudden he's on the ground with bulma and baby trunks in his hands. The plain was at least cloud height.
Which would only require reflexes at low mach. Mach 20 at most
Almost forgot, you brought up raditz only catching one bullet, are you implying that raditz cant pull the speed feats that kid goku did as a child?
Considering Tao pi pi showed better strength than base Goku in the Buu saga I wouldn't be surprised.
You must forgot what went on throughout the 5 minutes of that fight?
That would speak ill of my memory wouldn't it, considering I just put a youtube of the fight. What amazing things did I miss that's shows their faster than light reflexes.?
Fast forward to 3 minutes and 1 second and look what frieza was doing.
Sealing Goku in an energy ball? Speedy. If your referring to what happened afterwards with Frieza pinging Goku around. That only requires mach speed If I'm being generous.
I almost forgot to add, you know that Vegeta vs Kid buu fight that happened? Guess how long that fight was? It was just 60 seconds. Vegeta shot hundreds of blast (while his hands were moving at super speed), got thrown to a mountain etc... in less than a minute. Hell, from vegeta own mouth, he stated that a fight for 60 seconds is like eternity. Then another thing, within the 60 seconds, Vegeta was koed TWICE, conversation went on between Goku and Vegeta, etc....
So your argument is that lots of stuff happened so they must be above light speed? I just watched an episode of Bleach where Ichigo has an 11 second fight with Grimjow that lasts half an episode. Including conversations between them. Gosh considering your rules Ichigo must faster than light too.
Amusingly 11 seconds taking ten minutes would make Ichigo faster than Goku if we compare it to the time taken to show Goku's five minute fight. Roughly twice as fast. And that is why we use feats rather than guess work.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Which would only require reflexes at low mach. Mach 20 at mostConsidering Tao pi pi showed better strength than base Goku in the Buu saga I wouldn't be surprised.
That would speak ill of my memory wouldn't it, considering I just put a youtube of the fight. What amazing things did I miss that's shows their faster than light reflexes.?
Sealing Goku in an energy ball? Speedy. If your referring to what happened afterwards with Frieza pinging Goku around. That only requires mach speed If I'm being generous.
So your argument is that lots of stuff happened so they must be above light speed? I just watched an episode of Bleach where Ichigo has an 11 second fight with Grimjow that lasts half an episode. Including conversations between them. Gosh considering your rules Ichigo must faster than light too.
Amusingly 11 seconds taking ten minutes would make Ichigo faster than Goku if we compare it to the time taken to show Goku's five minute fight. Roughly twice as fast. And that is why we use feats rather than guess work.
I seen that Ichigo fight this weekend and it wasnt much done within those seconds but the little that they did do, it shows a HUGE reason for it to be used as a speed feat. That can be used in a debate. They're just that fast but what Ichigo did, people on regular dragonball did better things INSTANTLY like during thet Roshi and Krillin fight, you must forgot all that Krillin and Roshi did in less than a second.
Lets make a deal. In this deal I want you to use any character that you want. It can be manga, anime, Marvel/Dc (I prefer Marvel/Dc, proves that anime is on a much higher level), any comic/anime that you wont. I'm going to put up a combat speed feat from dbz and I want you to show me something comparable. I dont want you showing me someone flying from one state to the other or someone building some blocks etc.... I want to see some actual COMBAT speed.
The first thing I want to use against you is the frieza hitting the ball around at such speed. Show me someone moving so fast instantly like frieza was that would make me think that they're fast. Show me someone hitting something and being behind/beside/in front of (your choice like frieza did.
My next one is this. On this scan goku has blast going completely through his body, not bullet but blast. The thing is he's moving so fast avoiding them that hes not even creating after images and it looks as if his body havent moved an inch. So show something similar to this feat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwmhF54chqw
Heres another one, this should be easy since its NAPPA. Show me someone dodging punches this fast like goku was dodging against nappa. If you could find faster, that would be most appreciated. I could find better but I just want to warm it up a little.
Fast forward 5 minutes and 10 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmA72DFZ_MI
If you cant find anything comparable to these feats then our argument is pointless.
He is leaving because he can't find any. Alot of NF'ers get their "knowledge" from a wiki and respect threads, instead of reading about the actually characters, so they think that for example Superman fights and flys FTL all the time and always throws planet destroying punches...even though he passed out from destroying a moon, by barely getting to light speed (this is current Supes btw)
Originally posted by Peterlane
He is leaving because he can't find any. Alot of NF'ers get their "knowledge" from a wiki and respect threads, instead of reading about the actually characters, so they think that for example Superman fights and flys FTL all the time and always throws planet destroying punches...even though he passed out from destroying a moon, by barely getting to light speed (this is current Supes btw)
It has already been established by writers and said throughout a couple of comics that superman cant go light speed. Hell, flash just left him in the dust recently when he cranked it up to the speed of light. Hell, it has even been established that wonder woman reflexes is > Supes.Thats not the argument though, I want them to prove that a fighter can fight on the levels of dbz. I told them that they can put up ANY scan of there choosing. I dont care who it is but I'm pretty sure they'll never find it. I could post sh** from even Nappa that they probably couldnt find in a fight.
DBZ burst of speed during battles arent comparable by many.
You do realize that stuff like
http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/Kento300/?action=view¤t=DBZ_120.jpg
is shown in a pretty good bit of Shounen manga right? Even in manga where people aren't much better than mid-street. And Spider-Man has had at least one image I can think of where his hands are pretty much drawn the exact same way when punching some guy in armor.
