The pool said they ban people from wearing shorts and so on. It's the rule in most PUBLIC pools I believe, so she should follow it like everyone else. Simple really, and nothing to get angry about towards the French.
If people can't wear shorts in the pool, then hell, no one can wear a tunic and leggings then. Loose fitting by the way and that's not good for swimming.
Originally posted by inimalist
all Jewery aside, lil B, you are ok with government enforcing cultural norms?Just curious really.
Yes, I think they should when it comes to public gatherings, work, school, public service..etc.
What you do outside of that is noone's business. You wanna look like a ninja walking down the street? I don't care.
However, you cannot enter government buildings, banks, you cannot work like that, and people should be allowed to refuse you entrence in their store/club by the way you're dressed.
Official papers should be done in the manner everyone else has to do them - so no coverings on the picture, and the likes.
You do not ban Christmas and St George's day celebration because his cross was carried by crusaiders and will offend some groups of people. If it offends you try immigrating to a place where St. George's cross is not on the flag, for example and is not celebrated as patron St.
You cannot carry a knife in school because of your religion, as noone else is allowed to carry one - and for a reason.
And so on...
Religion in general is the least free thing there is. Religion opresses more than any government or any corporation.
The problem with many religious people is when they leave their "opressive countries" they bring their opressive religion with them and then try to impose it on everyone else. That's how it's been done througout history.
If France doesn't do something about this kind of stuff now they will be in real trouble in a couple of decades.
I never though I'd say this but.......Good for the French.
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
The problem with many religious people is when they leave their "opressive countries" they bring their opressive religion with them and then try to impose it on everyone else. That's how it's been done througout history.
That's would be a great argument, except that it doesn't make any sense.
I understand what Lil is saying and agree with it somewhat.
However, there has to be a reason.
They cited hygiene.
The person can debate the hygiene portion, if she wants. That's it.
How is it un-hygienic to wear that? Have they proven that it's not hygienic or that there's no way to prove that it's not hygienic?
I need evidence of this hygiene argument.
Here's another example: At the gym at the college I go to, we are NOT allowed to wear sandals or open toed shoes. The cite danger. I told the gym manager that I have more gym experience than all of his gym staff combined and it's retarded to think I will injure myself. I told him that, sometimes, I squat barefooted. He said that I very well may be the safest person to enter his gym, but the young 18 year old idiots may not be and he can't allow one to wear sandals and another to have to wear shoes. He said that would be wrong.
Hence this case.
In the gym situation, what if I it was part of my religion to wear open-toed shoes? (There are stupider beliefs, I assure you.) It would be the exact same situation.
However, they pool people need to prove their hygiene case before I fully agree with it.
If they cite safety issues because people brought knives with them in their clothing, or other unsafe things, then I would agree fully.
In the end, that stupid b*tch can swim by herself instead of embarassing herself in public. Hell, even Mormons don't wear their "magic underwear" to the damn pool.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Yes, I think they should when it comes to public gatherings, work, school, public service..etc.What you do outside of that is noone's business. You wanna look like a ninja walking down the street? I don't care.
However, you cannot enter government buildings, banks, you cannot work like that, and people should be allowed to refuse you entrence in their store/club by the way you're dressed.Official papers should be done in the manner everyone else has to do them - so no coverings on the picture, and the likes.
You do not ban Christmas and St George's day celebration because his cross was carried by crusaiders and will offend some groups of people. If it offends you try immigrating to a place where St. George's cross is not on the flag, for example and is not celebrated as patron St.
You cannot carry a knife in school because of your religion, as noone else is allowed to carry one - and for a reason.
And so on...
ummm.... fair enough?
the vast majority of that is hardly analogous, though I get your point.
I'd say the government should have to prove that there is a harm to society presented by the action before being able to forbid it, and I really don't think a swim outfit would come close to "dressing like a ninja" in a bank...
Because French woman cannot walk around in a bikini in many Muslim seaside at all. Why?
Nope, not to men. Just women. Let me get the copy out, see if I can dig it out.
The problem with many religious people is when they leave their "opressive countries" they bring their opressive religion with them and then try to impose it on everyone else. That's how it's been done througout history.
~Sado
Originally posted by chomperx9
if someone is not satisfied with the rules in another country then they should stay on there side of the border.
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
If you find the country oppressive, then leave immediately.That's what I did back in America before the recession.
Glad I did.. phew..
wow, its like you guys have never heard of a single person who has fought their government for individual liberty
let me put this to you, what do you do if you are both a patriot, yet want more individual liberty? You are to get out of the place you call your home?
like, did you think before you posted?
not to mention that you clearly didn't read the article
if someone is not satisfied with the rules in another country then they should stay on there side of the border.
heck, nothing would be done. nothing would change. liberty MEANS the right for everyone to put their beliefs on the table and give an open invitations to others. now if this burkini is done for the sole purpose of offense then fine. but its not. and wearng a hijab is not an offense to anyone either. people have the right to express themselves and as long as they are not oppressing others then it should be fine.
not to mention that some times liberty is achieved by making everyone uncomfortable.
~Sado
If the hygienic reasons they cited actually apply it is fair for them to ban it. But if it is just based on ignorance and islamophobia that is worrying. I read that some German pools actually banned bathing shorts for hygienic reasons, so perhaps there is some validity to the French official's claims. On the other hand there is a very strong hatred towards Islam and a mindset of countering wrongs perceived by Islamic nations or the religion itself with disregard to the values that are meant to be protected.