Originally posted by Battlehammer
Are you kidding me? Your trying to tell me you think that feat is legit? None and I mean none of his feats touch that one, it was pis plain an simply. We have seen him seen limitation to his current abilities.
If we take into account that his ability to absorb energy was in play, I really don't see the problem with it.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Get what hint? (you mean the slant eyes to indicate you are, kidding, but you weren so it kidna defeated the purposes). I don’t even feel like debating this, but I am also not going to sitt here and let some state incorrect comments or rather comments out of context.
Actually, I was just kidding. Damn your touchy about Wolverine and the likes. Everything you said, except a point or two, I already know.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
He fought wolverine during a old uncanny x-men issue, IF did not uses his Iorn fist move, but he also was unable to hurt wolverine. This was prior to wolverine character developtment , hell he did even have a healing factor at the time. Wolverine has taken it to an IF name junzo and winning who easily beat IF like he was a joke.
No healing factor? I know the issue was old, but was it really that old> He had his healing factor, and even his Adamantium claws as I recall in that fight. Didn't he get thrown out of a 5 story window in that fight and come out unharmed?
It's true he was unable to do any serious damage. He after all could not use his chi abilities, and pounding against an Adamantium Skull, isn't really going to do much. Still Wolverine even commented as I recall that he hasn't been hit that hard as a Kid.
Are you talking about Junzo Muto? Didn't he beat Iron Fist by draining him of his power/energy?
Winning? Didn't he attack him while he was fighting the Avengers and get downed by his powers?
I would post scans, and double check but I can't unfortunately. So either you or I will need to find scans, as context changes everything and as you know, going off of memory can be incorrect for both parties.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yes ecpt he was not a developt character or even had a healing factor or any powers really at all. Hell he was not even a wolverine villain at the time, but rather an IF villain.
So? He still got his ass handed to him. It was just retconed that he had a healing factor. Still valid. Cannon is cannon. He got his ass handed to him by a blind Iron Fist and that's a fact. A fact. Dispute it however you want, but Marvel acknowledges it.
That statement would probably set you in a rage if I was serious. Lmao. Damn, quannybun logic is really, really fun. I'm just messing with ya.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
And you be hyping IF far greater then he is, and this is coming from some one who read all his current stuff aside from an issue or two. He been hype by many far greater then he is. I doubt IF even takes a majority from either let a lone beats them by a land slide.
You call it hype, I call it addressing his feats. That's your opinion. I see him taking a majority. Not 10/10 shit stomp or anything of the sort.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
His feats weren’t that uber, nothing that make him beyond wolverine or spiderman to deal with. Hell IF best speed feats arnt even as good as many of wolverines. I have no idea what monster you are referring to I hope you don’t mean the IF-killer.
They really were. Not beyond, but I can see someone arguing that he takes the majority over them. That depends. Are we going to start comparing feats?
No, not against the Iron Fist Killer. It's this enormous monster, over a hundred feet tall. Ridiculous feat. I would post it, but I can't.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
You should have seen what wolverine did to four chi amperes in his recent mini.
Oh with the China Town incident, where he trains with the old man? That was an excellent showing for Wolverine. Finally showing that he can use his pure skills in a fight. I always said that the way the write him they must have gotten rusty sooner or later. Still excellent feats. Uber how he took down that big guy.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
shit I really should not derail the thread like this I apologies, if you like to discuss this further rage, pm, but we should leave it out of the thread
Yea we shouldn't have, but it's my thread and I really don't care if that matters any. Well, that's a post to late unfortunately.
I'm not really serious, so I don't see the point.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No healing factor? I know the issue was old, but was it really that old> He had his healing factor, and even his Adamantium claws as I recall in that fight. Didn't he get thrown out of a 5 story window in that fight and come out unharmed?
First time there was a hint (it was confirmed much later) about Wolverine's HF was in UXM #116. Nearly a year after his fight with IF.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No, not against the Iron Fist Killer. It's this enormous monster, over a hundred feet tall. Ridiculous feat. I would post it, but I can't.
I've seen that. Impressive indeed.
Originally posted by guy222
it won't surprise if logan wins
He should he has a haeling factor and the power of fans! Thor has a book that's been cancelled a couple of times, gay hair and without his weapon is a kind of just a hulk with less durability and no amping.
Thor is the guy who fighting a Skyfather could barely destroy a street.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
First time there was a hint (it was confirmed much later) about Wolverine's HF was in UXM #116. Nearly a year after his fight with IF.
Hmmm, really? I'll take your word for it as I can check.
How significantly do you think that changes the fight's validness in your honest opinion?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I've seen that. Impressive indeed.
Gotta scan? Just to show the pure "badassness" of it.
I can't. I really need my computer back. Shit.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hmmm, really? I'll take your word for it as I can check.How significantly do you think that changes the fight's validness in your honest opinion?
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Originally posted by Battlehammer
well lets see, he did not have a healing factor, nor was he even a confirmed mutant at the time. He was originally intend to be a wolverine who evolved into a human of sorts. This was also prior to him being written as martial arts master.
Technically speaking, which is me attempting Quan logic, simply because he wasn't a confirmed mutant does not mean he wasn't a mutant. It simply means they did not come to the conclusion that he was a mutant. I mean he was on the X-men for crying out loud. He was still portrayed as having Adamantium as I recall, and he was obviously more than human. He got tossed out of a 5 story window, and was Iron Fist couldn't really damage him at all. Meh, master martial artist or not, I don't see the difference really. He did what he usually did, take out his claws, and jump at his opponent, and so on. Then he had his ass tossed out of a window.
Sometimes when the change is so sever, it can be called a retcon. Call what you like. What happened, happened.
Lol. Replying this way is really a lot of fun. 😄
Don't know doesn't come on anymore. His still around at herochat being his usually self though. I don't go on herochat as much. At least not yet. It's fun as hell and hilarious, but as a result the moderators aren't nearly as serious and you have a lot of retards running around (I swear some are so stupid, I suspect it's a case of inbreeding.). I'm tired of arguing that World Breaker Hulk is not above everyone other than beings like Galactus, and with Jelly that Superman isn't a few times stronger than Thor. I'll get on there sooner or later.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusActually that's valid reasoning. That is what retcons are about. Because in current continuity he was always a mutant. At least in continuity. However, outside of the story, if he wasn't turned into a mutant until later that means he didn't have the healing factor in any comics before that point that they decided to make him one. In other words he wasn't written to have one until they decided to give him one. so it would have been a power that wasn't factored in in any previous appearance of the character.
Technically speaking, which is me attempting Quan logic, simply because he wasn't a confirmed mutant does not mean he wasn't a mutant.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Actually that's valid reasoning. That is what retcons are about. Because in current continuity he was always a mutant. At least in continuity. However, outside of the story, if he wasn't turned into a mutant until later that means he didn't have the healing factor in any comics before that point that they decided to make him one. In other words he wasn't written to have one until they decided to give him one. so it would have been a power that wasn't factored in in any previous appearance of the character.
Of course it's valid reasoning. It's my reasoning. Even when working the Quan angle it's valid.
My head hurts from reading your post.........
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hmmm, really? I'll take your word for it as I can check.
Yes, really.
In UXM #107 X-Men battled Imperial Guard. Starbolt destroyed Wolverine's uniform, so he had to beat the crap out of Fang and steal his one. He returned to Earth in the next issue.
Iron Fist v1 #15 was released in September, 1977.
X-Men #116 - December, 1978. In that issue Wolverine mentions that he heals real fast:
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9940/uncannyxmen11608.jpg
Uncanny X-Men #142 (February, 1981) - the real first appearance of his healing factor.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Durability/UncannyX-Men14212Durability.jpg
Thanks to jinzin for this one.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How significantly do you think that changes the fight's validness in your honest opinion?
Fck the healing factor. He didn't have any real skills then.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Gotta scan? Just to show the pure "badassness" of it.I can't. I really need my computer back. Shit.
No 🙁 Sorry. Maybe Kris happens to have this scanned?
Originally posted by CreshoskBut then we need to take into account the reasoning of the retcon. Perhaps he was originally intended to be incredibly durable, but then it was turned into a HF in order to make him more like Hulk. Or it was just reasoned that he'd have needed something extra to survive against the Hulk in those fights, so they slipped it in.
Actually that's valid reasoning. That is what retcons are about. Because in current continuity he was always a mutant. At least in continuity. However, outside of the story, if he wasn't turned into a mutant until later that means he didn't have the healing factor in any comics before that point that they decided to make him one. In other words he wasn't written to have one until they decided to give him one. so it would have been a power that wasn't factored in in any previous appearance of the character.
What is current continuity is the only thing that should be taken into account, imo.
