Originally posted by Original SmurphYou gotta point.
But then we need to take into account the reasoning of the retcon. Perhaps he was originally intended to be incredibly durable, but then it was turned into a HF in order to make him more like Hulk. Or it was just reasoned that he'd have needed something extra to survive against the Hulk in those fights, so they slipped it in.What is current continuity is the only thing that should be taken into account, imo.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes, really.In UXM #107 X-Men battled Imperial Guard. Starbolt destroyed Wolverine's uniform, so he had to beat the crap out of Fang and steal his one. He returned to Earth in the next issue.
Iron Fist v1 #15 was released in September, 1977.
X-Men #116 - December, 1978. In that issue Wolverine mentions that he heals real fast:
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9940/uncannyxmen11608.jpg
Uncanny X-Men #142 (February, 1981) - the real first appearance of his healing factor.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Durability/UncannyX-Men14212Durability.jpg
Thanks to jinzin for this one.
I said I took your word for it. But thanks anyways. I miss those old X-men issues.
Do you remember the time Colossus lost his virginity in the Savage Land?
Lmao.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Fck the healing factor. He didn't have any real skills then.
In all honesty I never really saw the difference. All he did was jump at people with his claws out to me, except every once in a while they'd have an arc, or mini or something to expand on his fighting skills but he rarely used them on a daily basis from what I recall.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No 🙁 Sorry. Maybe Kris happens to have this scanned?
It's all good. Jalek posted them in the respect thread. Crazy feat.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusIn all honesty I never really saw the difference. All he did was jump at people with his claws out to me, except every once in a while they'd have an arc, or mini or something to expand on his fighting skills but he rarely used them on a daily basis from what I recall.
actaully there huge differences. It clearly noticable if u read wolverine, which I bet u read as much wolverine as I do thor which aint much.
He vastly shown far more skill full then his early days on the x-men and sinces his development of his skill it has been a focal point of his character.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusAre you talking about Junzo Muto? Didn't he beat Iron Fist by draining him of his power/energy?
Winning? Didn't he attack him while he was fighting the Avengers and get downed by his powers?
I would post scans, and double check but I can't unfortunately. So either you or I will need to find scans, as context changes everything and as you know, going off of memory can be incorrect for both parties.
No capt and ironman were there fighting the hand and other creatures. Like attack him and got down in two attacks and wolverine saved him by attacking and fighting junzo and this was after junzo even received more powers by killing a wizard who had elemental powers. Wolverine was not down by him at all, he was going to kill him, but then IF was stabbed in the heart by some one and then junzo and his men teleported away before wolverine coudl stop him.
scans of there fight are in the wolverine respect thread
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I said I took your word for it. But thanks anyways. I miss those old X-men issues.Do you remember the time Colossus lost his virginity in the Savage Land?
Lmao.
Sure I do 😄 Those were the days...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In all honesty I never really saw the difference. All he did was jump at people with his claws out to me, except every once in a while they'd have an arc, or mini or something to expand on his fighting skills but he rarely used them on a daily basis from what I recall.
What can I say... go to his respect thread. There is a skill section, fights with MAs section and the recently reuploaded laser/energy dodging scans.
Rogers, Stark, BP, Cyke, Cable, Tasky... they all respect his skills.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Sure I do 😄 Those were the days...
That was funny. Colossus is sure one selfless guy. Lol.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What can I say... go to his respect thread. There is a skill section, fights with MAs section and the recently reuploaded laser/energy dodging scans.Rogers, Stark, BP, Cyke, Cable, Tasky... they all respect his skills.
Oh I know he has impressive skills. I probably won't see anything I haven't seen before as a scan or read. Surprisingly I've read, a lot of Wolverine. Tons. I have the entire X-men run (Haven't read it completely unfortunately.), countless Wolverine minis and so on.
Like I said, he just didn't seem to use more than jumping at his opponents and slashing a lot of the time. I just didn't notice the difference and believed they expanded on the character and have shown what he can do in other situations that involve skill. He can do it, he just doesn't. Like Thor can use his combat skills, yet fights like a bricks at times. Not lack of skill, he just doesn't bother.
I always said his skills would get rusty with the way he fights. The recent mini in regards to china town is a perfect example. You've read it I take it?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully there huge differences. It clearly noticable if u read wolverine, which I bet u read as much wolverine as I do thor which aint much.He vastly shown far more skill full then his early days on the x-men and sinces his development of his skill it has been a focal point of his character.
I actually read a lot of Wolverine, if you can believe it. A few years ago I actually liked him. Then I stopped when I started going on message boards. The fanboys. God. No offense. Your a fan.
Fan =/= Fanboy
Of course he has. They expanded his character a lot more in regards to his different abilities, his past, and his training, so of course he would have more feats as time progressed. That's just common sense.
Like I said, he just didn't seem to use his skills nearly as much as he used his usual, "Snikt" and "Stab" technique.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
I was. No he beat IF in one on one combat then stole his power after he won.No capt and ironman were there fighting the hand and other creatures. Like attack him and got down in two attacks and wolverine saved him by attacking and fighting junzo and this was after junzo even received more powers by killing a wizard who had elemental powers. Wolverine was not down by him at all, he was going to kill him, but then IF was stabbed in the heart by some one and then junzo and his men teleported away before wolverine coudl stop him.
scans of there fight are in the wolverine respect thread
Really? Well, I personally don't remember so I'll take your word for it.
Okay I'll check it out. I'll be glad when I can get back my computer. Then I can double check everything I post when I reply again, and not have to be corrected when I got off memory.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYou shouldn't let the fanboys of a character get to you. Just like who you like for your own reasons.
I actually read a lot of Wolverine, if you can believe it. A few years ago I actually liked him. Then I stopped when I started going on message boards. The fanboys. God. No offense. Your a fan.Fan =/= Fanboy
Of course he has. They expanded his character a lot more in regards to his different abilities, his past, and his training, so of course he would have more feats as time progressed. That's just common sense.
Like I said, he just didn't seem to use his skills nearly as much as he used his usual, "Snikt" and "Stab" technique.
Personally I don't think that the fanboys of the characters are very good fans. By overrating a character they don't get to truly understand the character.
Look at me and my favorite comic book character. I'm always nervous when she's put into a fight because I know her limits, and I know why they're there. and those limits make her a lot more interesting for me than those without limits.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Really? Well, I personally don't remember so I'll take your word for it.Okay I'll check it out. I'll be glad when I can get back my computer. Then I can double check everything I post when I reply again, and not have to be corrected when I got off memory.
happen in new warriors II issue 11 I believe, wolverine fight with junzo happen in Iron Fist /Wolverine issue 2 or was it 4.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I actually read a lot of Wolverine, if you can believe it. A few years ago I actually liked him. Then I stopped when I started going on message boards. The fanboys. God. No offense. Your a fan.Fan =/= Fanboy
Of course he has. They expanded his character a lot more in regards to his different abilities, his past, and his training, so of course he would have more feats as time progressed. That's just common sense.
Like I said, he just didn't seem to use his skills nearly as much as he used his usual, "Snikt" and "Stab" technique.
His fans arnt as bad as people pretend they are, at least here anyways. He has a lot more haters then anything. hell on this forum he has almost no one backing him and it took many years for me cres, jinzin and srank to get him up the level of respect he currently has. few eyars back it was redciulous the majority of the forum had him losing to people like Dare devil for the majority and not being as skilled a kitty who he trained.
when he uses his claws it in a skill full manner, which people often over look. he using deadly blades that can slice through steel like butter let a lone people flesh, but he tends to only give minor cuts to people, because he simply that skill with them an accurate.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh I know he has impressive skills. I probably won't see anything I haven't seen before as a scan or read. Surprisingly I've read, a lot of Wolverine. Tons. I have the entire X-men run (Haven't read it completely unfortunately.), countless Wolverine minis and so on.Like I said, he just didn't seem to use more than jumping at his opponents and slashing a lot of the time. I just didn't notice the difference and believed they expanded on the character and have shown what he can do in other situations that involve skill. He can do it, he just doesn't. Like Thor can use his combat skills, yet fights like a bricks at times. Not lack of skill, he just doesn't bother.
I always said his skills would get rusty with the way he fights. The recent mini in regards to china town is a perfect example. You've read it I take it?
Logan doesn't always use flashy moves like IF, but that can be said about every MA in Marvel. He focuses on being effective. HF allows him to recover from nearly any injury, so he can afford using risky maneuvers. Hell, he often takes hits just to have an excuse to kill. And sometimes he just plainly suffers from the bad writing.
Yes, I've read Aaron's Manifest Destiny. Great read. Thing is, he's lost to these warriors because he allowed them to take some free shots and didn't have the proper training when it came to Soulstrike.
All Master Po did was "reminding him about the simplest of the fighting principles", seeing weaknesses in the solid objects and teaching him how to deal with Soulstrike.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
happen in new warriors II issue 11 I believe, wolverine fight with junzo happen in Iron Fist /Wolverine issue 2 or was it 4.
Oh I know the issue numbers. Just don't have the issues.
I left my actual comic collection at my first house. The basement is empty and huge. I brought my computer with me, to my second house, but there was a fire and the hard drive was damaged. It's still getting fixed. Lazy bastards. It's been like a month. Anyways I had my comics that I brought with me on that computer.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Logan doesn't always use flashy moves like IF, but that can be said about every MA in Marvel. He focuses on being effective. HF allows him to recover from nearly any injury, so he can afford using risky maneuvers. Hell, he often takes hits just to have an excuse to kill. And sometimes he just plainly suffers from the bad writing.Yes, I've read Aaron's Manifest Destiny. Great read. Thing is, he's lost to these warriors because he [b]allowed
them to take some free shots and didn't have the proper training when it came to Soulstrike.All Master Po did was "reminding him about the simplest of the fighting principles", seeing weaknesses in the solid objects and teaching him how to deal with Soulstrike. [/B]
So like I said, he mostly jumps in with his claws out when the situation doesn't call for otherwise.
Allowed them? I recall he fought them, and lost. He simply went a them claws out, I can't recall of he was cocky or not, and was beaten. Mostly because of Soulstrike like you said. Could be wrong. Can't check.
He got rusty. Forgot the basics if I recall, or the simple stuff. That's all. No need to make it sound so dramatic. He was retaught and gained some new knowledge.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
so im a fanboy?
I tried to complement you. Now you just made it complicated. Lol I said that you were a fan, and not a fan boy. Meaning you don't simply say, "WOLVEERINE WINS CAUSE HE GOT TEH CLAWS AND HF!!!!!", and actually debate the character logically and make sound arguments.
Hence the emphasize on "Fan =/= Fanboy". To show that they do not mean the same thing. Two different types of fan bases in my opinion.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
His fans arnt as bad as people pretend they are, at least here anyways. He has a lot more haters then anything. hell on this forum he has almost no one backing him and it took many years for me cres, jinzin and srank to get him up the level of respect he currently has. few eyars back it was redciulous the majority of the forum had him losing to people like Dare devil for the majority and not being as skilled a kitty who he trained.
Bull. You know it was all Jinzin and his respect thread that got Wolverine some form of dignity back and you had nothing to do with at all. biscuits
Anyways, that does sound bad. Well, disliking a character is one thing. Disrespecting him and not giving a character where credit is due because of personal opinion of said character is just wrong.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
when he uses his claws it in a skill full manner, which people often over look. he using deadly blades that can slice through steel like butter let a lone people flesh, but he tends to only give minor cuts to people, because he simply that skill with them an accurate.
It looks a lot like, jump at opponent, slash at opponent, don't stop till opponent is dead, to me. Of course he knows what his doing. His using them effectively of course.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Logan doesn't always use flashy moves like IF, but that can be said about every MA in Marvel. He focuses on being effective. HF allows him to recover from nearly any injury, so he can afford using risky maneuvers. Hell, he often takes hits just to have an excuse to kill. And sometimes he just plainly suffers from the bad writing.Yes, I've read Aaron's Manifest Destiny. Great read. Thing is, he's lost to these warriors because he [b]allowed
them to take some free shots and didn't have the proper training when it came to Soulstrike.All Master Po did was "reminding him about the simplest of the fighting principles", seeing weaknesses in the solid objects and teaching him how to deal with Soulstrike. [/B]
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I tried to complement you. Now you just made it complicated. Lol I said that you were a fan, and not a fan boy. Meaning you don't simply say, "WOLVEERINE WINS CAUSE HE GOT TEH CLAWS AND HF!!!!!", and actually debate the character logically and make sound arguments.Hence the emphasize on "Fan =/= Fanboy". To show that they do not mean the same thing. Two different types of fan bases in my opinion.
Bull. You know it was all Jinzin and his respect thread that got Wolverine some form of dignity back and you had nothing to do with at all. biscuits
Anyways, that does sound bad. Well, disliking a character is one thing. Disrespecting him and not giving a character where credit is due because of personal opinion of said character is just wrong.
It looks a lot like, jump at opponent, slash at opponent, don't stop till opponent is dead, to me. Of course he knows what his doing. His using them effectively of course.
thanks, I dident think u were thats why I asked I never understood what =/= means to be honest.
lol jinzin respect thread was not till recently, though u are right the three of them did much more then I, personally I may have hurt more then help in the cases of certain individuals, I really piss certain people off it seems.
it was bad I mean people were giving dare devil like 9/10 odds it was retarded.
He actually not trying to kill most of the time. Also the more skilled the opponent the more kils he desplays like putting DD in a full nelson in 5 pannels, or dropping hang-chi and putting him in a very bad postion, or giving capt a blood clot, disarming ogun ect.
