This is a tough call.
Superman's main handicaps are his weaknesses...but he has shown varying levels of vulnerability to them, so a one-shot weakness exploitation can not be taken for granted. And of all these guys, Superman has shown greatest tendency (IMO) to rise to overwhelming challenges. It's one of the reasons so many readers hate him.
Thor. We've seen Thor go all out with madness; we've seen what a godblast can accomplish. His main handicap is that he depends on Mjolnir for much (not all) of what he can do.
Surfer. The most versatile of the bunch, and hardly lacking in power or durability...plus, we've never seen what an all-out insane Surfer could do (at least I haven't).
So, yeah, my first instincts are to say Superman goes out first, and Thor eventually wins. My second instinct, though, is that this outcome is quite arguable.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What rants? I am making valid arguments that you attempt to ignore. Cut the crap and stick to the topic at hand.What would you describe Thor’s powers as?
You keep listing feats as if Thor has not accomplished something similar. He has shown transmutation feats in the past. He can transmute damn near anything, except well you know Thor with Mjolnir in hand. He can drain energy? That’s great. Thor has drained enough energy to destroy an entire damn Galaxy with ease. You keep listing feats as if they have any bearing on this fight.
Could Silver Surfer beat Thor? Yes. Should he? I would say no, and he hasn’t. It’s possible for him to win. Thor doesn’t win every fight but he does win the majority in my opinion. He has beaten a not holding back Silver Surfer before.Apeshit and quite a handful is an understatement. In Warrior Madness, these two could double team him and they would still get shit stomped. Thor just being paranoid, showed how much he truly holds back as he was beating the utter shit out of Silver Surfer, Beta Ray Bill, Maxam, Drax with the Power Gem, Adam Warlock and so on.
Yes the Silver Surfer is to susceptible to death, and is definitely susceptible to a knock out.
I’m sure on the winner. I say Thor takes it. Not easily, and not all the time obviously. Clearly an argument could be made, and I see these two being close but Thor wins, followed closely by Silver Surfer and then Superman.
Tough sh*t! Surfer wins!
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Originally posted by Philosophía
haermm @ people still insisting Surfer, and especially Thor, will be able to handle Superman's speed and at people confusing no CIS with "I'm in control of my character's powerset and multi-task abilities in a way that Surfer hasn't ever been able to do".In that case, I'll go invisible & intangible while zooming around the battlefield at >lightspeed and constantly modifying the vibrational frequency my body operates so that there's no possible way anything will ever touch me while, in the meantime, I either use T-Vo or a multiversal counter-frequency to erase both of you from the face of creation like Superman has done to Darkseid in Final Crisis. Or just punch you to death.
This is fun. dur
Co signed.
I might add, most peps taking on supes go right away for weakness and forget their own characters have their own set of vulnerabilities.
Why does people always do this? I have no idea.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
slyI’m going to ignore the rest of your post. Normally I would reply with some normal insults, but really you aren’t worth it.
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The Hulk is stronger than Thor? My friend, you have yet to prove so. You state it as if it was some type of fact, yet there are no showings to prove so. If he was stronger he would have proven it in the test of strength they had, where Thor and him were deadlocked for entire hours on end despite his ever increasing anger/strength with Thor showing no signs of tiring. That’s on top of Thor restraining himself against mortals.
Let him fight his own battles? facepalm
I’m not going to bother.
You made a list about what Silver Surfer could theoretically do? That’s great, too bad despite him not holding back, Thor has handed him his ass twice. I’ll play along…..
Yes, because Thor is also susceptible to physical and mental drainage right? He isn’t. Thor can fight hours, weeks, and countless months on end without any sustenance. Sustenance isn’t a problem for him. Thor can use Mjolnir to heal the damage he has taken as well if needed. Thor can just as easily control Mjolnir with his will. Not the extent Silver Surfer can with his board, but he could do so as well. Living his board even just for a moment would make his mobility extremely lacking. That would be fatal. Amp his own strength? That’s amazing. When he amps it to a level beyond Thor, then we can talk. Thor if needed can amp his strength extremely as well. He can detect such minute energy fluctuations with Mjolnir specifically? Prove it. Would that do him any good, if Thor releases omni-directional attacks? Matter manipulation against Thor with Mjolnir? Good luck. That’s great except intangibility doesn’t make you safe against Thor, and Thor can also turn intangible/invisible. You get it? Thor can do practically anything as well, and has higher defensive/offensive abilities, plus superior power output. That’s funny. If he was so much more godlike than Classic Thor, then he wouldn’t have any problem beating him. Oh wait.
You want me to make a list of things Thor has done that Silver Surfer has not? I can, as you still need to learn more about Thor. Everything from Thor containing a blast that would have destroyed 1/5 of the Universe, one shotting Ego with a Universal shaking attack, one shotting a being that is beyond Odin, one shotting Galactus, giving pause and even harming a powerful Celestial would be included.…..
Yes the Silver Surfer does have a very good chance of taking this. That's why he is closely behind Thor in this fight. They are extremely close, but Thor simply edges him out and has superior power output. It wouldn’t be easy, but at the end of the day Thor will be the last man standing. An argument can obviously made for Norrin, and I can see him taking a few ins, but not the majority. Like I said an argument could be made, but unfortunately you aren’t doing it in my opinion…..
Thor comes in first, followed closely by the Silver Surfer and then Superman in this bout.
Originally posted by Philosophía_
haermm @ people still insisting Surfer, and especially Thor, will be able to handle Superman's speed and at people confusing no CIS with "I'm in control of my character's powerset and multi-task abilities in a way that Surfer hasn't ever been able to do"._In that case, I'll go invisible & intangible while zooming around the battlefield at >lightspeed and constantly modifying the vibrational frequency my body operates so that there's no possible way anything will ever touch me while, in the meantime, I either use T-Vo or a multiversal counter-frequency to erase both of you from the face of creation like Superman has done to Darkseid in Final Crisis. Or just punch you to death._
This is fun. dur
Well it's been years and Avalon was probably chased away but it's good to see there are people around still _that understand the differences between the characters. Please listen KMC-Silver Surfer and Thor exist in a omniverse where feats appear much more hyperbolic and not quantified by what is call physics.The multiverse where superman comes from defines things in orders of magnitude of difference taking more of something people can relate to in our world -physics and describing superman it theses terms when needed. Thus you have characters that have ways of getting around these laws- The Flash. Anyway there is no counter Norrin can construct to T-Vo( or spacetime warping vibrations...)from a being faster than himself in combat and possibly in travel speed( I recall a comic where superman heard and travel to save a green latern in a distant galaxy in a brief span of time and the calculation was ridiculous). Thor is not as fast as surfer and that is as simple as it gets. I don't think Norrin would be a statue but the difference in speed is enough to warrant the win to superman. Thor will wait his turn whether he likes it or not. Then he will fall. _Why is this one so hard to accept. I will be the first to say Galactus would beat Superman or the Living Tribunal would beat Galactus. _Why is it such a leap for someone faster and stronger and with an ability to beat an opponent before their attack connects not to get the majority win. Listen Marvel doesn't lose if surfer loses to superman. Superman is interesting but his comics in general aren' t even half as good as most arcs than I've read with Immortal iron fist, dare devil or hercules. All star , Kingdom come , and red son were the only good stories revolving around him in recent times. But as a character without pis or cis and him _coming from his own respected multiverse where feats are quantifiable through some relatively understandable scientific language as opposed to unquantifiable concepts such as astral planes, cosmic awareness, etc. If silver surfer was written in respect to more quantifiable measurements we could gauge this better. Norrin and Clark both have ambiguity but Clark just edges more out on his feats. Durability , speed , strength and execution when everything is on the line. Superman has all these over silver surfer. You take away superspeed, T-Vo, Intangible vibratory frequency and then surfer wins._