X-men vs. Magneto

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Original Smurph tu quoqumber

Originally posted by Creshosk
an attack that has all the properties of light having the property of the speed of light...
Light smashes you with physical force when it touches you, eh?

And clearly light can pass through ruby quartz.

Anyways, I thought I'd seen evidence for and against. I know the blasts are theorized to be comprised of gravitons, which presumably travel lightspeed...?

The event was like Cresh mentioned. Sue made a weird tunnel and Cyclops blasted through it, curving his blast, which shouldn't really be possible anyways. It was also mentioned as a side, descriptive note, so could be chalked up to descriptive words like "unlimited power" and similar hyperbole.

Just my two cents.

Original Smurph tu quoqumber

Originally posted by Peterlane
Well it seems to have been retconned because he was blitzed at the speed of light buy Aurora. And the scan said Speed of Light>Optic blasts in speed.
Isn't that comparing the speed of light to the speed it would take his visor to open?

Or so I thought.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Light smashes you with physical force when it touches you, eh?
In theory if you had enough photons tightly packed together enough it could. That's also the theory behind the concept of forcefields and solid holograms.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
And clearly light can pass through ruby quartz.
Not all frequencies. of light.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Anyways, I thought I'd seen evidence for and against. I know the blasts are theorized to be comprised of gravitons, which presumably travel lightspeed...?

The event was like Cresh mentioned. Sue made a weird tunnel and Cyclops blasted through it, curving his blast, which shouldn't really be possible anyways.

I supposed it's due to the nanofilter of her force field that allows light through in finite enough quantities that lasers can't penetrate her forcefield either. But she can still see through. Sort of like a micromesh screen can let water through an area at a slowed rate.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
It was also mentioned as a side, descriptive note, so could be chalked up to descriptive words like "unlimited power" and similar hyperbole.
I don't think the speed of light is used as a hyperbole often enough to qualify.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Just my two cents.
And they are very welcome. If nothing else its like fridge logic for me to give me more to think about.

Rutog98 Senior Member

Re: Re: X-men vs. Magneto

Originally posted by Creshosk
None of them.

Aside from Emma frost not being present in the fight, While Xavier was this fight's been done and then some.
X-Men Volume 2 issue #25. Magneto shows up catching everyone including Xavier and Jean grey off guard. He slipped through their defenses. And he pinned everyone present X-Men and X-factor alike. Making it so they couldn't use their powers. Then he casually kills one of his minions with his own power. Then proceeds to lecture his hostages.

If it weren't for Bishop... But I notice he's not on the list.

The whole thing was PIS. To begins with, Magneto was travelling through the atmosphere with Astroid M in tow. The thing was so huge it was causing atmospheric disturbances. Storm should have felt that moving through the air and she should have felt the atmoshperic disturbances. Therefore, Magneto should not have been able to catch the X-Men by surprise. Magneto sneaked up on the telepaths and that is understandable. He can jam telepathy and has been able to weaken telepathy through warping EM fields for a very long time. However, Storm's ability to detect movement, energy and disturbances in the environment was ignored for him to sneak up on the team.

Secondly, he attacked the team with the iron in the blood trick while they were talking to him. Nobody attacked him before or while he was pulling that stunt. With the super powers arrayed against him, he could have been killed in the first split second of a fight if the X-Men really wanted to do him in. That Fatal Attraction scan does not work in Magneto's favor in debates. It only shows that he can do an iron-in-the-blood manipulation on people if they stand around and talk while allowing him do what he wants to them.

Rutog98 Senior Member
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix

Storm gets her lightning and storms canceled out.

This is completely wrong.

http://img86.imageshack.us/i/stormandmagneto1vm.jpg/
http://img163.imageshack.us/i/stormandmagneto26nv.jpg/

Notice that her winds alone were able to greatly strain his powers. And if she pulled that trick on him while protecting herself with one of these:
http://img134.imageshack.us/i/pressuredome14ac.jpg/
http://img134.imageshack.us/i/pressuredome21bz.jpg/
http://img155.imageshack.us/i/pressuredome39dt.jpg/

He would not be able to take her out with a piece of metal projectile.
😖hifty:

Plus there is another instance where Magneto stated that Storm had the power to beat him if she did not hold back.

thanos-prime Senior Member

Originally posted by Rutog98
This is completely wrong.

http://img86.imageshack.us/i/stormandmagneto1vm.jpg/
http://img163.imageshack.us/i/stormandmagneto26nv.jpg/

Notice that her winds alone were able to greatly strain his powers. And if she pulled that trick on him while protecting herself with one of these:
http://img134.imageshack.us/i/pressuredome14ac.jpg/
http://img134.imageshack.us/i/pressuredome21bz.jpg/
http://img155.imageshack.us/i/pressuredome39dt.jpg/

He would not be able to take her out with a piece of metal projectile.
😖hifty:

Plus there is another instance where Magneto stated that Storm had the power to beat him if she did not hold back.

he doesn't need to control her powers to beat her

Creshosk Senior Member

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When you put known fanboys on ignore you can't see their idiotic rants.

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Originally posted by Creshosk
You know what's nice?

When you put known fanboys on ignore you can't see their idiotic rants.

This person is on your Ignore List. To view this post click [here]

I have Rutog on it too!

Rutog98 Senior Member
Originally posted by thanos-prime
he doesn't need to control her powers to beat her

If you measure up power feats between the two, Storm comes out on top by leaps and bounds.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Blanket
I have Rutog on it too!
Isn't it great not having to read stupid shit, that blatantly ignores storm's opponents powers and history?

iceman24567 Senior Member

Originally posted by Rutog98
If you measure up power feats between the two, Storm comes out on top by leaps and bounds.
Really???

Mindset Senior Member

Rutog said it, it must be true.

iceman24567 Senior Member

Originally posted by Mindset
Rutog said it, it must be true.
I don't even know how to pronounce his name but i concede 👆

peejayd Senior Member
Originally posted by Peterlane
Are Cyclops blasts light speed? I dont think so, but some people believe it to be so

* Cyke's blast = speed of light:

Reallybadman Junior Member

Don't you think that that panel is a little hyperbolic?

I mean, it just doesn't seem correct that his blast are moving at the speed of light.

ExodusCloak Senior Member

Originally posted by Reallybadman
Don't you think that that panel is a little hyperbolic?

I mean, it just doesn't seem correct that his blast are moving at the speed of light.

The beam moves at the speed of light, the time it takes for the mechanics on his visor to work is a lot slower.

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge
Originally posted by Peterlane
Well it seems to have been retconned because he was blitzed at the speed of light buy Aurora. And the scan said Speed of Light>Optic blasts in speed.

If you read the scan what it actually says is that the speed of servo in Cyclops' visor is significantly slower than the speed of light. It doesn't say that Aurora is faster than the speed of light, it says Cyclop's optic blasts move at the speed of light, but it doesn't matter because she is faster than Cyclops' visor mechanisms. I mean... it says right in the panels that she steps into the gap between the speed of light (ie his optic blast) and Cyclops' visors speed; for the life of me I don't know how Mungi interpreted that as Aurora and Northstar being light speed and convinced everyone else that's what was said, because the actual implicates of what was said are pretty clear.

-Pr- Hey Yo!
Originally posted by Peterlane
Well it seems to have been retconned because he was blitzed at the speed of light buy Aurora. And the scan said Speed of Light>Optic blasts in speed.

no it didnt. it said the servos in his visor were < C.

and it was northstar.

also, when someone mentioned controlling cyclops' powers, i assumed they meant redirecting the beams themselves, which i doubt magneto could do.

and no, i don't think cyclops' blasts are speed of light. that would mean that he has a shitty aim, given the times he's missed targets.

ExodusCloak Senior Member

Originally posted by -Pr-

and no, i don't think cyclops' blasts are speed of light. that would mean that he has a shitty aim, given the times he's missed targets.

That would be the visors fault though, right? It would mean he'd have to pre-empt the position of his target if they're uber fast.

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
That would be the visors fault though, right? It would mean he'd have to pre-empt the position of his target if they're uber fast.

Exactly there is a delay (however small that maybe) between the time when he locates a target and when his visor opens up and allows for the blast.