Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I meant monitor. However, the villians and heroes assembled shoudn't and don't be AM in my opinion... which included Superman(earth 2), Kal-L, Luthor, DS etc etc. That is my point.. on KMC you put that same group together and without plot devices and CIS/PIS I vote AM
so you don't agree with how COIE went, then?
I know perfectly well how Superman defeated Mandrakk and actually I kinda thought that was one of the better explanations on how. I liked it and thought it was unique and kinda cool. However, that doesn't change the fact that with plot devices and PIS/CIS off, Superman gets WTF pwned by Mandrakk.
Your next paragraph is LULZ. I can accept DC had Superman winning against AM because of whatever they decided. However, on KMC, superman gets trashed and that is the point your missing. You have to factor in logic and reason along with powersets, not just the fact that DC had superman win ( Duh, of course they did). So, again JL just so we are clear..... In a Superman vs. AM thread you vote for superman because that is what we saw in the comics correct? Your last paragraph very much says that which makes me LOL really hard. I'm sorry JL but I along with many others who choose to look at the bigger picture, vote for AM wtfpwning Superman. Period. However, now I know how you feel.. lol
I thought you came to your senses when you said within reason, and then when on to say I can't see Superman defeating Galactus. Good now your understanding. Then turn around and say well superman defeated the AM so deal with it that is his power level. HAHA LOL
If you won't accept it, then people are going to be screaming about every little thing a character does. Imagine I start saying, Thor can beat the crap out of ..(insert character name) even though he did it a few times in the comic already.
Obviously, if there was a scenario where both Superman and COIE AM used their power to their full extant andSuperman won, then you must accept it.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
There aren't many who can even challenge Mandrakk. I don't think anyone is saying that Superman would win. I think you are just trying to pick a fight.🤨 When did Superman defeat AM? Also, like I said, IF SUPERMAN BEATS anybody he wants under his own power set, then that's a feat that you are going to accept. If you can then that's too bad. Also, I am sure nobody in there right mind would pick Superman over AM (full power that is). You claiming that I will is blasphemy.
I don't think YOu understand what I am saying. I said, [b]IF[b/] Superman defeats AM under his own power then that is Superman feat and whether you like it or not, it's perfectly fine to use it.
If you won't accept it, then people are going to be screaming about every little thing a character does. Imagine I start saying, Thor can beat the crap out of ..(insert character name) even though he did it a few times in the comic already.
Obviously, if there was a scenario where both Superman and COIE AM used their power to their full extant andSuperman won, then you must accept it.
Ummm actually you said this....
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but within the realm of KMC [ie. a PIS/CIS free community] superman is going to get annihilated by most of the higher-ups he's beaten over the years, based mainly on the sheer scope of power they displayed, in comparison to his [ie. imperiex, mageddon, monitor, etc.]
Actually, he is not. We just have to use his high feats. Something you don't want to use.
Thus your saying since he beat Imperiex, Mageddon etc etc then that is his powerlevel. Sorry I use logic and how things work on KMC
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Which is my whole point. Just because superman beats Imperiex in the comic book doesn't mean I vote for superman on KMC. While others feel that is exactly how you should vote.
If Superman suddenly start beating on Sky father level beings (10 different ones), are you going to say that it's PIS/CIS?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Also, for anyone who needs confirmation:you're forgetting one key point. superman has the power to back his feats up.
Ooooohhhh, I see where you got that from, that scan you put up was before the fight.
Read what was said, when the fight first started.
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6042/job17mx.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/5803/job29bn.jpg
He thinks I'm doomsday and that I killed lois. No mind control there, just pure rage that not even max lord could control. Max lord didnt have control of his movement, power, reactions, etc.... during the time he fought wonderwoman, it was all superman.
Then we have a controlled person talking out of anger and simpathy. 😕
Saying it wont happen again to wonder woman that he thinks is doomsday.
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9279/job60xb.jpg
Then we have a smart controlled person that is listening for movements and a heart beat to track his opponent (while still talking).
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/6048/job79wa.jpg
Wonder woman then say she want to put the lasso around him, not to take away the mind control but to free him from his delusions. She then say "What is max lord making him SEE", she didnt say what is max lord making him DO but she said SEE instead.
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/9499/job108hs.jpg
Superman then say after the mind controll is gone "I saw, he made me watch, doomsday rip lois apart". Superman knew everything that happened, he wasnt mind controlled. Just accept what happened.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Which is my whole point. Just because superman beats Imperiex in the comic book doesn't mean I vote for superman on KMC. While others feel that is exactly how you should vote.
superman didn't beat imperiex single handed in the comic. if you mean the warworld feat? yes, that applies, but at no point in the comic does superman square off against imperiex without an amp or help.
Originally posted by -Pr-
superman didn't beat imperiex single handed in the comic. if you mean the warworld feat? yes, that applies, but at no point in the comic does superman square off against imperiex without an amp or help.
He wasn't alone but was the main person as always leading the charge and IMO on KMC would've gotten dealt with really quickly. Yes, PR I was referring to Warworld
By the way, dont take it so bad that superman got beaten by wonder woman, he admitted on panel that him and wondy are even.
Originally posted by carver9
By the way, dont take it so bad that superman got beaten by wonder woman, he admitted on panel that him and wondy are even.
Originally posted by carver9
Ooooohhhh, I see where you got that from, that scan you put up was before the fight.Read what was said, when the fight first started.
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6042/job17mx.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/5803/job29bn.jpgHe thinks I'm doomsday and that I killed lois. No mind control there, just pure rage that not even max lord could control. Max lord didnt have control of his movement, power, reactions, etc.... during the time he fought wonderwoman, it was all superman.
yes, a rage filled, out of control superman. not superman at the top of his game, or thinking tactically. he's hulked out and he's trying to smash shit.
Then we have a smart controlled person that is listening for movements and a heart beat to track his opponent (while still talking).
if he was smart, he would have heard her behind him. but he didn't so it's PIS. or just plain shite. this is the guy who can hear shit in the vacuum of space, and he didn't hear diana behind him?
Wonder woman then say she want to put the lasso around him, not to take away the mind control but to free him from his delusions. She then say "What is max lord making him SEE", she didnt say what is max lord making him DO but she said SEE instead.
yes, and? i didnt say he was controlled during the fight. i said he was controlled at one point.
Superman then say after the mind controll is gone "I saw, he made me watch, doomsday rip lois apart". Superman knew everything that happened, he wasnt mind controlled. Just accept what happened.
you missed the point.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
He wasn't alone but was the main person as always leading the charge and IMO on KMC would've gotten dealt with really quickly. Yes, PR I was referring to Warworld
his walking through warworld and taking down brainiac's armies is a valid feat. his pushing the planet is a valid feat.
imperiex did try to kill him, and nearly succeeded, if you recall.
Originally posted by carver9
By the way, dont take it so bad that superman got beaten by wonder woman, he admitted on panel that him and wondy are even.
what does that have to do with anything?
also, she didn't beat him in sacrifice. she says at least once that she's simply trying to slow him down.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
In raw power! Though, that's just over exaggeration. It's been shown time and time again, Superman>>WW in terms of strength. However, they are close.
Huh exaggerations happen? No way? However, as you say it did happen and thus it's perfectly valid and not an exaggeration. Comic books don't can't hyperbole, exaggerations or bias towards characters regardless of powersets... NOPE
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Huh exaggerations happen? No way? However, as you say it did happen and thus it's perfectly valid and not an exaggeration. Comic books don't can't hyperbole, exaggerations or bias towards characters regardless of powersets... NOPE
Originally posted by -Pr-
yes, a rage filled, out of control superman. not superman at the top of his game, or thinking tactically. he's hulked out and he's trying to smash shit.if he was smart, he would have heard her behind him. but he didn't so it's PIS. or just plain shite. this is the guy who can hear shit in the vacuum of space, and he didn't hear diana behind him?
yes, and? i didnt say he was controlled during the fight. i said he was controlled at one point.
you missed the point.
No point missed, it was superman that was fighting diana, it was a angered superman but it was also a superman that wasnt holding back, a superman that was giving his all during THAT fight.
I dont know why its so bad to accept it because its not a low showing for him since wonder woman is just as powerful. The only thing that might made it a low showing was the fact that supes had a minor dip and was still unable to drop her and wonder woman was holding back BUT you have to look at it like this, wonder woman have some AMAZING damage soak durability and she's also have superman physical stats added with being one of the best fighters in dc.
It was a good comic if you ask me.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Unless proven wrong 😉 There is nothing to suggest they are even. Superman's feats are superior to WW
When does Wonder woman get to do the feats that Superman has under his belt? She never at the starting line up to do anything.
No one in dc would ever possess the feats that superman has, the guy is in like 10 comics a month.
