Originally posted by carver9
Bad to use Martian Manhunter as example. How about this, how about you name every power martian manhunter has at his disposal. Then after that, compare them to the powers that the people on the jla have. Then you'll see how much of his entire career falls under pis.The thing is, I'm not basing my judgement off of a statement to prove that wonder woman and supes are equals. I'm basing my judgement off of showings alone. There are so many showing of wonder woman reflexes that make superman reflexes look like crap that its ridiculous. I agree, when it comes to flight there are so many superman flight showings that exceeds wonder womans.
Strength feats, she shares that with him also.
Durability; there are many showings that make me think wonder woman and supes are equals in that department.
Only people that dont like wonder woman degrade her and have yet to face true facts.
The feats speak for themself. Even in FC:7, Superman used his Speed, with HT which knock WW out and it wasn't even targeted near her.
Originally posted by Juntai
So you would say that are less powerful, while Superman is more powerful?Interesting.
I guess that's why people often dig back to the 70s and 80s for feats to attempt match stuff Superman does every handful of issues.
Would you say these ancient showings have a great bearing on current depictions of the characters, or are they to be taken with a grain of salt like pre-Crisis stuff, which is also in continuity these days?
Don't attempt to put words in my mouth.
They aren't less as powerful now than they were back then. They even have some feats that surpass feats back in those days. Some of their greatest feats still come from recent showings. It's simply that on average it seems that they did more crazy feats back on those days. Thor was a deus ex machina and pulled out anything he needed out of his big bag of tricks every issue or so.
Every handful of issues? That's really amusing. If that was the case Thor and so on wouldn't posses feats that Superman is unable to match.
They do. The feats are valid whether they happened two years ago, or twenty years ago unless some type of power up was in play that would make them unable to perform such feats in normal situations.
Originally posted by Juntai
Sure he does.There's tons of examples, like the ones Phil showed. Superman going above and beyond the regular class he's put into, he just stops holding back.
Like I said he doesn't reach those levels at a drop of a hat. It requires real motivation.
Also, there is a difference with him simply stopping holding back, and the plot needing Superman to win because he is the protagonist or something along those lines.
Originally posted by Juntai
Orion couldn't beat Darkseid without Darkseid purposely losing to him.
Superman has defeated him on multiple counts.Superman doesn't beat Orion heads up, because he isn't outright trying to down him, because Orion is a good guy.
You see, in one of those scenarios, Orion and Superman are peers.
In the other, Superman steps it up to take on a superior foe.
Superman and Orion are peers. They have stalemated on different encounters. Orion has been able to defeat Darkseid with circumstances. The same applies to Superman just not as obviously. Darkseid steps down a level or two when he engages Superman from what I have seen. That's why his such a punching bag at times. I've seen Superman utterly stomp him in one occasion. Hence why people refer to him as "Jobberseid" at times. Especially when it comes to Superman.
Originally posted by Juntai
The entire JLA got their asses handed to them, and Superman was just playing..? [DICK!]
Scans? Are there circumstances involved in how the Justice League was defeated? What was the Justice League roster? There can be a lot of context that significantly changes the out look of this feat. I personally cannot check because I do not have access to my actual comic collection.
Is this when they fight the Martian Weapon? There are circumstances to that if it is.
Scans of the entire incident are much better than quotes of a few phrases. It offers more context.
What's with the Dick reference/insult? Uncalled for......
Originally posted by Juntai
These examples can be done almost quite literally all day.
Not really.