Darkseid (pre Final Crisis) vs Black Adam

Originally posted by xJLxKing
NO, that's only in the eyes of people who hate Superman. I think you have to accept the fact that DC has found a perfect reason of why Superman's power fluctuates so much. They exampled it a dozen of times. They even provided examples.

Actually, he is not. We just have to use his high feats. Something you don't want to use.

hahaha your a funny guy JL. As I said before, I expect you to vote for Superman in a Mandrakk vs Superman, COIE AM vs Supes, Galactus vs. Superman etc etc. I can't believe your actually saying this but okay buddy your call... lol

Using only feats, I presented a very compelling case why Superman would beat Galactus. Months ago. 😄 😛

Hey Jun and Philo.. I take it, you feel the same way JL does on this...

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within the world of COMICS, superman > ALL [when need be.] he's DC's poster child. he simply accomplishes whatever task needs to be done, with no real explanation ever needing to be given, other than, "it's superman" - and fans have come to accept and expect this.

NO, that's only in the eyes of people who hate Superman. I think you have to accept the fact that DC has found a perfect reason of why Superman's power fluctuates so much. They exampled it a dozen of times. They even provided examples.

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but within the realm of KMC [ie. a PIS/CIS free community] superman is going to get annihilated by most of the higher-ups he's beaten over the years, based mainly on the sheer scope of power they displayed, in comparison to his [ie. imperiex, mageddon, monitor, etc.]

Actually, he is not. We just have to use his high feats. Something you don't want to use.

Guess I'll mark you down for similar votes with Superman against said characters since afterall he just has to change his mindset to overcome these uber beings.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
hahaha your a funny guy JL. As I said before, I expect you to vote for Superman in a Mandrakk vs Superman, COIE AM vs Supes, Galactus vs. Superman etc etc. I can't believe your actually saying this but okay buddy your call... lol

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

Guess I'll mark you down for similar votes with Superman against said characters since afterall he just has to change his mindset to overcome these uber beings.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Using only feats, I presented a very compelling case why Superman would beat Galactus. Months ago. 😄 😛

that's why i love you. 😍

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Like I said it's within reason. I don't see how Superman would beat Galactus. However, if you want to troll and put words in my mouth then go I ahead.

Ummm actually what you quoted me as and then replied was this...

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but within the realm of KMC [ie. a PIS/CIS free community] superman is going to get annihilated by most of the higher-ups he's beaten over the years, based mainly on the sheer scope of power they displayed, in comparison to his [ie. imperiex, mageddon, monitor, etc.]

Actually, he is not. We just have to use his high feats. Something you don't want to use.

So, then your saying Galactus is above Mandrakk, Mageddon, Monitor etc? I actually think your starting to get it now JL. In a comic book setting yes Superman can and has beaten people because that is what he's suppose to do and does. DC can come up with whatever they want on why this happens. However, on KMC without PIS/CIS, while knowing people's power sets we know it's not logical he could or would. I'm dealing with KMC rules and logic in general, while your... going back and forth. Look at what you said when you quoted me and then try and compare that to.. well within reason as I don't see him beating x, y, z. That is what I've been arguing this whole time... I don't care if DC had Supes beat COIE AM or Mandrakk.. I'm not buying that based on Logic and KMC Rules. While you do or don't not sure now.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree and it was a good showing for her but superman wasnt controlled, he was tricked which caused him to go into that rage that he was in.

he was controlled.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ummm actually what you quoted me as and then replied was this...

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but within the realm of KMC [ie. a PIS/CIS free community] superman is going to get annihilated by most of the higher-ups he's beaten over the years, based mainly on the sheer scope of power they displayed, in comparison to his [ie. imperiex, mageddon, monitor, etc.]

Actually, he is not. We just have to use his high feats. Something you don't want to use.

So, then your saying Galactus is above Mandrakk, Mageddon, Monitor etc? I actually think your starting to get it now JL. In a comic book setting yes Superman can and has beaten people because that is what he's suppose to do and does. DC can come up with whatever they want on why this happens. However, on KMC without PIS/CIS, while knowing people's power sets we know it's not logical he could or would. I'm dealing with KMC rules and logic in general, while your... going back and forth. Look at what you said when you quoted me and then try and compare that to.. well within reason as I don't see him beating x, y, z. That is what I've been arguing this whole time... I don't care if DC had Supes beat COIE AM or Mandrakk.. I'm not buying that based on Logic and KMC Rules. While you do or don't not sure now.

What? Omg! Did you even read FC😖B ? I am guessing not. Otherwise you would realize why Superman defeat Mandrakk.

Superman is the hero of the story, he will always be the center of the picture. Though that doesn't mean he wil defeat anybody. Otherwise, Batman, and other "main" character would be defeating everybody.

Second, if DC makes Superman defeat COIE under his own power then you going to have to deal with it. That's just where his power level is. If you can't then don't bother talking

Originally posted by -Pr-
he was controlled.

When was this done because to my knowledge wonder woman confronted max lord and max ended up telling her supes is coming. Wonder woman flies to max lord, superman tries to attack, wonder woman grabs her tiara and slice supermans throat, then wonder woman breaks max lord neck.

What you showed me never happened. I can tell by the art that its not correct. I'm going by what I read the first time and supes didnt appear to be controlled.

Originally posted by carver9
When was this done because to my knowledge wonder woman confronted max lord and max ended up telling her supes is coming. Wonder woman flies to max lord, superman tries to attack, wonder woman grabs her tiara and slice supermans throat, then wonder woman breaks max lord neck.

What you showed me never happened. I can tell by the art that its not correct. I'm going by what I read the first time and supes didnt appear to be controlled.

that is the same issue where superman takes on the justice league and escapes to go and find lord. then wonder woman turns up, and as indicated, in ww219, they fight.

what do you mean it's not correct? that's a panel from an issue preceeding the fight.

Originally posted by carver9
When was this done because to my knowledge wonder woman confronted max lord and max ended up telling her supes is coming. Wonder woman flies to max lord, superman tries to attack, wonder woman grabs her tiara and slice supermans throat, then wonder woman breaks max lord neck.

What you showed me never happened. I can tell by the art that its not correct. I'm going by what I read the first time and supes didnt appear to be controlled.

His scan>>>>your selective memory...CARVER! sneer

biscuits

Originally posted by xJLxKing
What? Omg! Did you even read FC😖B ? I am guessing not. Otherwise you would realize why Superman defeat Mandrakk.

Superman is the hero of the story, he will always be the center of the picture. Though that doesn't mean he wil defeat anybody. Otherwise, Batman, and other "main" character would be defeating everybody.

Second, if DC makes Superman defeat COIE under his own power then you going to have to deal with it. That's just where his power level is. If you can't then don't bother talking

Batman does defeat everybody. 😕

He knocked captain marvel out with a kick and did well against solomon grundy.

Lets not even bring up what he recently did to an amped supes that was the size of the hulk. 😕

How about batman beating lobo, batman beating wonder woman h2h. Batman kicking the hell out of Darkseid making him bleed. Batman kicking the spectre, staggering him.

Batman being the only one to make titus scream out in pain. Batman ripping through Deathstroke even though deathstroke rapes the titans on a regular basis.

The list goes on with Batman and the list goes on with supes.

Both of these characters (batman and superman) have no limits in dc. Hell, didnt batman rip through amazo one time and then hit him with the bat mobile.

Also, for anyone who needs confirmation:

Originally posted by carver9
Batman does defeat everybody. 😕

He knocked captain marvel out with a kick and did well against solomon grundy.

Lets not even bring up what he recently did to an amped supes that was the size of the hulk. 😕

How about batman beating lobo, batman beating wonder woman h2h. Batman kicking the hell out of Darkseid making him bleed. Batman kicking the spectre, staggering him.

Batman being the only one to make titus scream out in pain. Batman ripping through Deathstroke even though deathstroke rapes the titans on a regular basis.

The list goes on with Batman and the list goes on with supes.

Both of these characters (batman and superman) have no limits in dc. Hell, didnt batman rip through amazo one time and then hit him with the bat mobile.

you're forgetting one key point. superman has the power to back his feats up.

Originally posted by -Pr-
that is the same issue where superman takes on the justice league and escapes to go and find lord. then wonder woman turns up, and as indicated, in ww219, they fight.

what do you mean it's not correct? that's a panel from an issue preceeding the fight.

Let me show you the fight I seen. Wait a minute.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
What? Omg! Did you even read FC😖B ? I am guessing not. Otherwise you would realize why Superman defeat Mandrakk.

Superman is the hero of the story, he will always be the center of the picture. Though that doesn't mean he wil defeat anybody. Otherwise, Batman, and other "main" character would be defeating everybody.

Second, if DC makes Superman defeat COIE under his own power then you going to have to deal with it. That's just where his power level is. If you can't then don't bother talking

I know perfectly well how Superman defeated Mandrakk and actually I kinda thought that was one of the better explanations on how. I liked it and thought it was unique and kinda cool. However, that doesn't change the fact that with plot devices and PIS/CIS off, Superman gets WTF pwned by Mandrakk.

Your next paragraph is LULZ. I can accept DC had Superman winning against AM because of whatever they decided. However, on KMC, superman gets trashed and that is the point your missing. You have to factor in logic and reason along with powersets, not just the fact that DC had superman win ( Duh, of course they did). So, again JL just so we are clear..... In a Superman vs. AM thread you vote for superman because that is what we saw in the comics correct? Your last paragraph very much says that which makes me LOL really hard. I'm sorry JL but I along with many others who choose to look at the bigger picture, vote for AM wtfpwning Superman. Period. However, now I know how you feel.. lol

I thought you came to your senses when you said within reason, and then when on to say I can't see Superman defeating Galactus. Good now your understanding. Then turn around and say well superman defeated the AM so deal with it that is his power level. HAHA LOL

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I know perfectly well how Superman defeated Mandrakk and actually I kinda thought that was one of the better explanations on how. I liked it and thought it was unique and kinda cool. However, that doesn't change the fact that with plot devices and PIS/CIS off, Superman gets WTF pwned by Mandrakk.

Your next paragraph is LULZ. I can accept DC had Superman winning against AM because of whatever they decided. However, on KMC, superman gets trashed and that is the point your missing. You have to factor in logic and reason along with powersets, not just the fact that DC had superman win ( Duh, of course they did). So, again JL just so we are clear..... In a Superman vs. AM thread you vote for superman because that is what we saw in the comics correct? Your last paragraph very much says that which makes me LOL really hard. I'm sorry JL but I along with many others who choose to look at the bigger picture, vote for AM wtfpwning Superman. Period. However, now I know how you feel.. lol

since when did superman beat the anti monitor?

Originally posted by carver9
Batman does defeat everybody. 😕

He knocked captain marvel out with a kick and did well against solomon grundy.

Lets not even bring up what he recently did to an amped supes that was the size of the hulk. 😕

How about batman beating lobo, batman beating wonder woman h2h. Batman kicking the hell out of Darkseid making him bleed. Batman kicking the spectre, staggering him.

Batman being the only one to make titus scream out in pain. Batman ripping through Deathstroke even though deathstroke rapes the titans on a regular basis.

The list goes on with Batman and the list goes on with supes.

Both of these characters (batman and superman) have no limits in dc. Hell, didnt batman rip through amazo one time and then hit him with the bat mobile.

Don't mind JL, he feels that since it's in the comic it applies to KMC rules and environment where we take many more things into account.

Originally posted by -Pr-
since when did superman beat the anti monitor?

Originally posted by carver9
Let me show you the fight I seen. Wait a minute.