Originally posted by KingD19
Subjekt 17 won their 1st fight. Superman even stated that Subjekt was getting stronger as they fought. Then he came back and was dressed like a samurai for some reason, it looked like he let Supes win, so he could justify Superman choosing the humans over him.
They fought later on. Superman found his weakness, and Superman was just about to break his arm when he was teleported out.
Originally posted by KingD19
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Superman 667 -Tide and TorrentAnd Subjekt 17 is more than a match for Supes.
I doubt DS can match The Brute Force, Range and Ferocity of a Bloodlusted Spectre.
For DS to win he'd have to destroy the elements which power Teth Adam.
He'd probably need the ALE and a Direct Line to YAHWEH to have a shot at pulling off such a feat.
Without Prep DS goes down Hard after a valiant struggle. With Prep he can make the fight last longer.
Originally posted by Philosophíadarkseid's power dips down to fight superman.
Hm. If it's established that Superman steps up quite a bit above his normal level when he fights powerfull characters like Darkseid, then how come losing to Superman is held against him every single time he is put up against Thanos and even the likes of Thor/Silver Surfer ? Or is this acknowledged only when characters from a certain company are involved ?
Originally posted by batdude123
No, he can't, but neither can Black Adam, so the point is completely moot.Also, the rest of your post was complete bullshit, so I didn't both responding to the rest.
Why the hostility.
Would you prefer it if I said the character has a static powersetting with two applicataions; flying fast and punching stuff
Originally posted by Philosophía👆
Hm. If it's established that Superman steps up quite a bit above his normal level when he fights powerfull characters like Darkseid, then how come losing to Superman is held against him every single time he is put up against Thanos and even the likes of Thor/Silver Surfer ? Or is this acknowledged only when characters from a certain company are involved ?
Originally posted by -Pr-
superman holds back against marvel too.and it isn't just about being a poster boy. he is genuinely that powerful.
Ummmm nothing to do with holding back at all really. On panel words and actions prove that supes considers Marvel his equal and in some cases even talked up Marvel because of his magical abilities. So, it's not a holding back issue but that is just how DC views them, which has been shown over and over again. However, we know that BA basically owns Marvel and yet people say Supes walks through BA... the same BA who trashes Marvel and has the same magical advantage... lol right.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiSuperman considers everyone stronger then him. He views John stronger then the entire JLA. He says Icon's hit was the strongest he felt...etc. He always thinks highly of people.
Ummmm nothing to do with holding back at all really. On panel words and actions prove that supes considers Marvel his equal and in some cases even talked up Marvel because of his magical abilities. So, it's not a holding back issue but that is just how DC views them, which has been shown over and over again. However, we know that BA basically owns Marvel and yet people say Supes walks through BA... the same BA who trashes Marvel and has the same magical advantage... lol right.
However, all this is proven wrong when it comes to down the fights and the feats.