Originally posted by Gideon
You might want to pop on MSN. I'm currently in the middle of an argument with LS on this very same subject and I'm in no mood to be civil here.Especially with all of the... reaching.
I'm on and you aren't. And what reaching? The fact that we're trying to be consistent with the character of Luke Skywalker and you're trying to tell us the most consistency involves him not being that good?
Originally posted by Gideon
Because I don't tolerate reaching from anyone. I didn't tolerate it from Janus, Nebaris, ect. Why should I tolerate it from anyone else?Hell, I don't even do it for me.
I will be back.
And there will be suffering...
And pain...
And more suffering...
u wayte
😐
Edit: That was to TJ. Logging back on, DS.
lol, i fear, i tremble. I've got a date tonight. I'll be on later.
Originally posted by Gideon
Easily.Empire's End shows Palpatine's personal physician and dark side adepts telling him, point blank, that he brings himself closer to death with each further usage of the Force and when he gives himself to strong emotion. That's why the adepts attempt to disable the Jedi when they intercept Palpatine making his bid to abduct Anakin.
That's a far greater level of physical weakness than Luke, who was able to use the Force to compensate for his weakened body.
Now stop making excuses.
Luke has an attunement to the Force that is without peer, with the exception of Anakin Skywalker. Count Dooku demonstrated the ability to strengthen his frail body to the point of taking on a man with unlimited Force reserves and the great Obi-Wan Kenobi on a whim; Jedi Master I-Get-Winded-Reaching-For-My-Cane Yoda is able to use the Force to strengthen his body to keep up with the aforementioned Count Dooku at a time when Dooku's prodigious powers were being enhanced to an even greater level by the dark side properties of the planet Vjun; Darth Sidious, whose body was failing him as a result of the dark side energies within him, was able to use the Force to strengthen his body to compete with the aforementioned Yoda, blitz four "celebrated swordsmen" when they were prepared, and instakill two Jedi capable of outdueling his dark side adepts at such a time when he was literally on the brink of death.
...And you're telling me that Luke, whom you consider to be more powerful than all the above by a considerable degree, can't do the same against no-name Sith?
Either he's not as powerful as you make him out to be or... well, that seems like the only valid option.
Please. He wasn't dueling Vestara; she stumbled into him, he allowed her to cut him, and he punched her out. That was when he wanted to take Vestara prisoner. Lady Rhea was the one who gave him hell, and he "was in no condition to be merciful."
Try again.
Yoda, Dooku, and Sidious all did better.
You're right. One of them did it as an octogenarian aristo who, prior to that, was on the verge of Force exhaustion, losing vision (among other things). This, again, versus two powerful Jedi -- one of whom was the beneficiary of unlimited Force reserves. The other did it as a diminutive Jedi of nine centuries whose primary mode of transportation was a hover chair, to demonstrate his lack of natural mobility and stamina. And the last did it despite the fact that he was in a natural state of near death due to the nature of the dark side within him.
Great. Now tell me where Rhea was, since Luke clearly owned her.
Obviously. But this isn't the first time Luke has performed subpar. The truth is that he's not nearly as good as you say he is.
K i'll make this quick i'm on my way out of town for the weekend, going camping and bringing my 4 wheelers and jet ski's 🙂
as to palpatine getting weaker you said he gets weaker every time he uses the force that in no way comes close to starting off a fight against no-name sith(who can still be powerful even though we haven't seen the full extent of their abilities) already near death. Ben push's for him to get back as soon as he can because his body is going to die soon. He is very weak at this point.
and IMO yoda and dooku using the force to strengthen their bodies isn't in the same league as to what Luke has to do to keep fighting here since againhe is almost DEAD.
how is dooku near force exhaustion in the beginning of ROTS during their fight?
as to the vastera prisoner thing You got me there
BUT as to luke fighting Rhea when he isn't merciful she was in the middle of her "leaps of evasive maneuvers" and Luke just went for the kill.
as to yoda using a hover chair i'd say it'd because he is tiny and even when he was 100 years old or 50 or whatever his prime is he would still use a hover chair because we as larger creatures have WAY longer strides. Yoda using a hover is in no way because he is old and weak it's because for every step mace takes he would have to run to keep up with him.
if i didn't address everything send me a PM and we can continue this over PMing if you'd like when i get back monday.
Originally posted by OmniverseriaWell its highly likely shes a celestial or some sort of god like cosmic entity.
I think people are being a little presumptuous with regards to this Aberforth character. What has she actually displayed that's so god like?
DS is speculating that this entity is vastly more powerful than both luke and sidious.