Starving Wives in Afganistan

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King Kandy Senior Member

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
before the "war on terror" Iraq was taking wives who had disobeyed and bringing them into the middle of a soccer field with a huge assembly and sawing their heads off.

That was afghanistan not iraq you retard.

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
Saudi Arabia, which we have not touched except to pass our money over, recently sentenced a woman to death by the whip because she was raped.

The people in power in saudi arabia draw their fanances from the US.

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
Now another iraqi nation, afghanistan, decides to starve their wives for sex, and its OUR fault. its a twisted anti-American de-patrotized stand you take.

I think you mean a MUSLIM nation, not and IRAQI nation... if you cannot tell the difference then you cannot call me ignorant on this issue. Hell earlier you couldn't even tell the difference between Iraq and Afghanistan.

King Kandy Senior Member

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
Yes, all the fundamentalist christian westerners went right on over there and told them how to have their heads in their asses.

And women were NOT treated well before the soviets invaders. they have been property in the middle east since the dawn of time.


No it was fundy muslims who got in power because the soviets destroyed the existing government.

Dude in afghanistan pre-soviet invasion (republic of afghanistan) women had voting rights. You can look it up.

Darth Jello Cheese Spelunker

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
You are very mal-informed. Troops invading Iraq caused Afghanistan to create a law that treats women like property? Also, the muslim nation, afghanistan included, is in jiihad with us. they are the ones who blew up the world trade center, not iraq.

So yea... you keep thinking that the radical muslim nation would be civilized and would have equal rights and a democratic republic if we had never made contact with them.

before the "war on terror" Iraq was taking wives who had disobeyed and bringing them into the middle of a soccer field with a huge assembly and sawing their heads off. Saudi Arabia, which we have not touched except to pass our money over, recently sentenced a woman to death by the whip because she was raped.

Now another iraqi nation, afghanistan, decides to starve their wives for sex, and its OUR fault. its a twisted anti-American de-patrotized stand you take.

Iran wasn't a liberal democracy before 1953? Afghanistan wasn't before the Soviet invasion? Bosnia and Herzegovina isn't modernizing?

Were the Seljuks and the Ottomans oppressive and genocidal relative to the European kings and lords? What about the early Muslim kingdoms which built upon and preserved the science and philosophy of the ancient world and provided a safe haven for Jews and commissioned their philosophers to be biblical interpreters of holy law?

King Kandy Senior Member

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
Huh? islam didn't exist before western influence.

It was developed in the middle east, not in the west. This is gibberish.

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
Thus: you are wrong. Islam teaches women are objects. End of story. Radical Islamic countries tend to follow this custom.

I would love to see you quote a passage in the quran that says women are objects. I bet you can't.

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
Islam is very young.

About 300 years younger than the christian bible. Yeah that sure is young.

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
You are obviously misinformed and biased by todays "multicultural" propaganda.

YOU couldn't tell the difference between iraq and afghanistan and somehow i'm the misinformed one?

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
Muslims are not harmless, they are not pursuing the American dream, they are at an open jihad with the USA. They treat their women poorly because it is their religion.

Come on, prove the quran explicitly supports abusing women. Bring it.

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
Any muslims you meet who are peaceful and DONT wear burkhas and try to kill the recievers of said Jiihad are not muslims as they do not follow the teachings of Muhammad.

I did not realize that mohammad taught people to where burkhas given that they were invented after his death. That seems odd. I suppose we can add time traveling to his list of miracles. Wow he really must be a prophet of god. Let's all convert to islam. After all even christ never travelled through time.

~:Mr.Anderson:~ Restricted

Originally posted by King Kandy
You DO know we are at war with afghanistan as well as Iraq, right? Yes that is what helped cause it (though to be honest the greatest blame here probably lies at the feats of the soviet union.)

Ok, explain to me this logic, uh, if you can call it that, works out. We wage fare warfare on a hostile nation because it houses the al-qaeda and so as result of our war with a legitimate threat to the safety of our civilians, (Iraq is a different matter, i'm talking about Afghanistan) they decide to starve their women for sex?

that's not really a fair or logical statement. And don't yell strawman, i can't create a strawman of an argument that hasn't been elaborated on. Also, the soviets are dead or out of power now, so don't blame the USA.

The above statement also doesn't give credit to the Afghanistan nation. They are humans with morals. Lets give an example.

Germany, in world war I and II, was a legitimate threat to america, and had waged war upon the entire known world. Granted, they had a better war machine, but they still did. We waged war on them.... Twice. oh, and the soviets invaded them. Did they make a law for the starving of women for sex? No. Did they make any such laws? no.

Afghanistan is a nation consisting of human beings that can think for themselves, and are in a situation similar, but less drastic than post ww2 germany. To say that they are a mindless beast that will do evil things when prodded would be racism against their people.


You're saying EVERY muslim nation is at jihad with us... including the ones we are allied with? Every single one? What about Turkey? U.A.E.? I don't think you know what you're talking about.

the muslim nation announced Jiihad. According to the qur'an all muslims must conform and go to hell. Those who are not conforming will go to hell, according to their religion. They can't believe in something that they don't fear like that.

So somehow EVERY muslim country blew up the WTCs... Uhuh and here I thought the fact that every single terrorist involved there was saudi might somehow imply that it was saudis who were responsible rather than EVERY muslim country put together.

Everyone knows al-qaeda was housed in Afghanistan, and they are the ones who put it together. Even though its an international organization, who can draw members from as far as saudi-arabia, their base of operations was in Afghanistan.

It wasn't a radical muslim nation before the soviets invaded, though. That's the thing.
elaborate.

Darth Jello Cheese Spelunker

So what is your suggested solution, Mr. Anderson?

~:Mr.Anderson:~ Restricted

http://missioneuropakmartell.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/top-10-quran-quotes-every-woman-must-see/

~:Mr.Anderson:~ Restricted

Originally posted by Darth Jello
So what is your suggested solution, Mr. Anderson?
uh, don't give a shit. There are women elsewhere who are dying because of things they can't help.

For one: If the girls that hungry...

For two: We aren't going to do anything to help anyone, we are just going to act like the wuss nation we have become and wonder if we could have possibly caused that with our little temper tantrum, and bite our nails.

Darth Jello Cheese Spelunker

Little wuss nation?

~:Mr.Anderson:~ Restricted

Im quite patriotic, but i'm also sick of the thing where the instant we do something remotely militarized like making a minor campaign (congress didn't even declare war) on an enemy who killed 11,000 citizens in one attack and threatens to kill more, have the nation bites their nails and tries desperately to stop us before we actually fix anything. (war on iraq was a mistake, i'm not talking about that). And then the instant anything bad happens, we blame ourselves. We aren't the red cross, we are a strong world power, and it seems whenever someone provokes us we do more help then harm.

King Kandy Senior Member

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
Ok, explain to me this logic, uh, if you can call it that, works out. We wage fare warfare on a hostile nation because it houses the al-qaeda and so as result of our war with a legitimate threat to the safety of our civilians, (Iraq is a different matter, i'm talking about Afghanistan) they decide to starve their women for sex?

No the logic is that their legit government was destroyed by the soviets. Ever since then it was been lunatics, first Mujaheddin, then Taliban, now this. Now the US should not get the majority of the blame here (that honor goes to the soviets) but rather the problem in the US is the poor follow up... the taliban got dumped which is good (they are the ones who performed the public execution you talked about btw, not iraq), but the US should have built up infrastructure like schools, new govt, etc but we moved on to iraq instead.

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
that's not really a fair or logical statement. And don't yell strawman, i can't create a strawman of an argument that hasn't been elaborated on. Also, the soviets are dead or out of power now, so don't blame the USA.

The soviets are gone but the effects of what they did are still in full swing... afghanistan would never recover from them if it was not aided... which we have made no effort to do despite our countries safety depending on the stability of the area.

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
The above statement also doesn't give credit to the Afghanistan nation. They are humans with morals. Lets give an example.

Germany, in world war I and II, was a legitimate threat to america, and had waged war upon the entire known world. Granted, they had a better war machine, but they still did. We waged war on them.... Twice. oh, and the soviets invaded them. Did they make a law for the starving of women for sex? No. Did they make any such laws? no.


The thing is, the rest of the world FORCED GERMANY TO RECONSTRUCT. If they had been left with nothing who knows what would have happened... the soviets withdrew as well whereas in afghanistan they would not leave until the mujaheddin forced them to. If the soviets had been left in germany to do whatever they pleased then Germany would be a hellhole comparable to afghanistan.

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
Afghanistan is a nation consisting of human beings that can think for themselves, and are in a situation similar, but less drastic than post ww2 germany. To say that they are a mindless beast that will do evil things when prodded would be racism against their people.

The thing in germany is that other countries were active in it's redevelopment... afghanistan was left to the mercy of warlords and the USSR. If the USSR had had to fight guerilla wars in germany like in afghanistan with not help given to reconstruct germany germany would be just as bad if not worse than under the nazis or afghanistan under the taliban or mujaheddin.

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
the muslim nation announced Jiihad. According to the qur'an all muslims must conform and go to hell. Those who are not conforming will go to hell, according to their religion. They can't believe in something that they don't fear like that.

What muslim nation? There is no universally recognized authority that has the power to issue jihad in the muslim world. For instance Jihads declared by the iran Ayatollah Khamenei are followed mostly in iran... those issued by the taliban were followed only in afghanistan. Jihad is not universal because there is no agreement on who has authority over it. There is scripture as well that says only individuals can declare jihad, not nations. It is not the uncontested issue you think it is.

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
Everyone knows al-qaeda was housed in Afghanistan,

This is true...

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
and they are the ones who put it together.

...however this is not. the taliban offered no aid to the WTC operation. al qaeda did that all on their own.

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
Even though its an international organization, who can draw members from as far as saudi-arabia, their base of operations was in Afghanistan.

Their base of operations was in afghanistan in the same sense the KKK is based in the US... it's true but it does not mean that the government was behind the lynchings. And you say saudi arabia like it's the exception: al qaeda is an organization of saudis.

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
elaborate.

I'm not sure what kind of elaboration you're expecting... it simply wasn't. It was a democratic republic (it was corrupt sure but that was not because of islam), not an islamic theocracy. Most muslim nations only became theocracies after outside forces removed their existing governments.

Darth Jello Cheese Spelunker

I was wondering if your location was a reference to those lame ass matrix movies or if you actually lived in Israel.

dadudemon Senior Member
Originally posted by Darth Jello
I was wondering if your location was a reference to those lame ass matrix movies or if you actually lived in Israel.

Take your best guess. 😐

And the Matrix movies are the best. 😐

King Kandy Senior Member

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
Im quite patriotic, but i'm also sick of the thing where the instant we do something remotely militarized like making a minor campaign (congress didn't even declare war) on an enemy who killed 11,000 citizens in one attack and threatens to kill more, have the nation bites their nails and tries desperately to stop us before we actually fix anything. (war on iraq was a mistake, i'm not talking about that). And then the instant anything bad happens, we blame ourselves. We aren't the red cross, we are a strong world power, and it seems whenever someone provokes us we do more help then harm.

The US made absolutely no legit effort to repair afghanistan. We did not fix a thing and had no intention to.

BackinBlack Restricted

Okay, I'll say it. The wonders of Islam, behold. Bunch of ****ing savages

i'd think twice before i speak, if i were you. the west isn't as civilized as it likes to pretend it is. now this whole afghani thing is horrible and an affront to women and men alike but lets not forget:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/philip-n-cohen/throwing-stones-at-afghan_b_188646.html

not to mention that just because afghanis are doing it, it doesn't mean islam condones such actions. to suggest so is stupidity.

Bardock42 Junior Member

Originally posted by §P0oONY
Boo hoo? Other countriess have different laws and customs, that's life really.

Yeah, who cares if other people are oppressed and raped and killed, as long as there is a law justifying it in their country.

Originally posted by chomperx9
why should we feel sorry for them starving they could careless if everyone in the US dropped dead tomorrow

That's such a weird generalization. Not only presumes it that everyone in that country thinks the same (while disregarding the rather valid reasons why one might hate the US in those regions), it also extends that hate to an oppressed minority who has little to do with terrorism if at all. Wouldn't your dumbass "patriotism" bullshit rather want to support the women that are oppressed by the people who fight your beloved soldiers, enemy of my enemy kinda thing.

Though I think your line of thought is just "eww they are brown I hope they die"

Bardock42 Junior Member

Originally posted by BackinBlack
i'd think twice before i speak, if i were you. the west isn't as civilized as it likes to pretend it is. now this whole afghani thing is horrible and an affront to women and men alike but lets not forget:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/philip-n-cohen/throwing-stones-at-afghan_b_188646.html

not to mention that just because afghanis are doing it, it doesn't mean islam condones such actions. to suggest so is stupidity.


I am not sure what he is saying. Does he mean that 10 - 14% of women in marriages get raped and it is because of the laws never punish the rapist. Or is it that 10-14% of women get raped, and never report it, which seems more likely, and is still sad, but the government can do little about it, no?

Either way, comparing the situation of the US to that in some Muslim countries, is ridiculous in scale, of course there are still things wrong in the US, with many different minorities involved, but this law goes much, much further.

inimalist Junior Member

Originally posted by King Kandy
Look at muslims in western countries (cept Holland), it is not nearly as predominant. It is the fact that a theocracy has been allowed to form that gives way to this issue.

Let's look at Turkey. Nearly everyone in muslim. This sort of thing is not being enshrined in law (in fact the opposite has happened). Let's look at Islam prior to western influence. Women were treated well. It is the theocracies that cause this, not Islam.

this is ridiculous.

the figures on honour killings among south Asian immigrants is astounding.

not to mention, many women in immigrant communities are oppressed by their lack of access to institutions and society by over baring husbands and basic fiscal/linguistic concerns.

I'd agree, the problem isn't Islam, however, Islam is a HIGHLY patriarchal system, which is the problem, and those who want to keep power, need only pull the gender strings, and they are able to keep power. The use of women's bodies as political symbology in Iran is a really good example of this.

Bicnarok From Ganymede
Originally posted by §P0oONY
Boo hoo? Other countriess have different laws and customs, that's life really.

But it so happens that Islamic countries barbaric middle ages type customs are decremental to human survival, happiness and development.

Thats why they come to the west.

dadudemon Senior Member

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, who cares if other people are oppressed and raped and killed, as long as there is a law justifying it in their country.

That's such a weird generalization. Not only presumes it that everyone in that country thinks the same (while disregarding the rather valid reasons why one might hate the US in those regions), it also extends that hate to an oppressed minority who has little to do with terrorism if at all. Wouldn't your dumbass "patriotism" bullshit rather want to support the women that are oppressed by the people who fight your beloved soldiers, enemy of my enemy kinda thing.

Though I think your line of thought is just "eww they are brown I hope they die"

This post was filled with pwn.

Sorgo can eat his heart out. 313

Originally posted by Bardock42
I am not sure what he is saying. Does he mean that 10 - 14% of women in marriages get raped and it is because of the laws never punish the rapist. Or is it that 10-14% of women get raped, and never report it, which seems more likely, and is still sad, but the government can do little about it, no?

Either way, comparing the situation of the US to that in some Muslim countries, is ridiculous in scale, of course there are still things wrong in the US, with many different minorities involved, but this law goes much, much further.

Also the fact that he/she snidely remarks at 16 being a shitty age to allow women to get married. Pfffft. I guess he/she doesn't realize that early man's life expectancy was 18. Guess when the "women" made babies? 😐

This also doesn't change the fact that lots of people are making the sex before 16 in the US, making his/her comparison to marriage at 16 retarded.

Edit - Read the name and looked at the picture on the article. It's a dude.