Team Tourney Round 2 part 1

Thats just what your m8 told you, Ive only seen him do the math, not you. Furthermore the numbers based on the faulty logic cannot be lower than that...

I dunno, ive not played FF yet I found out a huge amount of info from the FF wiki and could debate fairly with Phanteros on Exdeath and Ultmecia with Nephyse....dont take me researching things lightly, nor the idea that ive not played hte game. Someone not playing the game is a very very poor argument for them not agreeing with you tbh, you should be trying to make us belive you.

Originally posted by Burning thought
They will fall yeh, but Ganon is falling with the rubble, if he was standing at the bottom he would be hit on the head by the castle falling and and around on top of him. If hes at the top then its likely he does not get hit with as much rubble, also the whole castle did not hit him, based on his size a few blocks may have done. But as I said, humans can survive being buried under rubble, even concrete and metal....

Furthermore saying he cannot be harmed just because the MS doesnt kill him in one hit is fallacious, teh MS does indeed slice him and his durability is not impressive. As such, both dante and Sephiroth who by actual feats can slice through stone/metal, the sort of stone Ganon was prob buried under if not stronger they can easily slice him up, he can survive being buried but being cut into bloody gunk on the floor? I doubt it.

first off, if he was going to be cut up hunk of blood on the floor, it'd happen when the mastersword was cutting him. So therefore he would NOT become a bloody sack of death on the ground from the cutting.

second of all: another word to use is probably impload. When a building imploads it crashes into itself. this means the walls crash inwards, the structure starts to collapse, etc. Ganon would be ontop of the castle as it fell, he would crash through the floor being smashed by walls and rocks hitting him, constantly falling through more rocks and floors as he reaches the bottom. he then crashes into the ground at full speed and is then burried by the rocks and remains. Even if he wasnt 10 feet under the rocks and rubble, thats still enough impact getting down there, and being burried by whatever did hit him. (which would be a good 3-5 feet ATLEAST)

Originally posted by TGYDK
first off, if he was going to be cut up hunk of blood on the floor, it'd happen when the mastersword was cutting him. So therefore he would NOT become a bloody sack of death on the ground from the cutting.

second of all: another word to use is probably impload. When a building imploads it crashes into itself. this means the walls crash inwards, the structure starts to collapse, etc. Ganon would be ontop of the castle as it fell, he would crash through the floor being smashed by walls and rocks hitting him, constantly falling through more rocks and floors as he reaches the bottom. he then crashes into the ground at full speed and is then burried by the rocks and remains. Even if he wasnt 10 feet under the rocks and rubble, thats still enough impact getting down there, and being burried by whatever did hit him. (which would be a good 3-5 feet ATLEAST)

But Link has never attacked Ganondrof in canon in such a way, Ganondorf has been struck usually once or twice in the actual cinematics from what ive seen. Dante nad Sephiroth will be slicing at high speeds....

Ganon will fall in with it but he wont be getting hit by the structures lower half because it being heavier than him will have already fallen to the ground, thats a lot of rock and earth thta doesnt tocuh him, and as I said, based on his size, he would ony have been hit by a portion of the castle.

also show me the particulour one your talking about, the one I am thinking of when hes lieing nearly unconcious on the top of the castle did not look as large as one would think, it looked more from a tower than my current memory can remember although I could be wrong. Its still not a long shot from what a human can survive, people can survive being buried under rubble, even very small children....and dogs...

You cant think thats a more impressive durabiltiy feat than the strength/destruction feats of Dante and sephiroth which include instantly and easily slicing through thick concrete/metal without resistance....

Its beyond Ganon.

http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Ganondorf

http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Master_Sword

http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Golden_Gauntlets

lol I know where I can find the wikis, the important thing is the information from them thats relevent to your argument. Theres nothing on there however about 1000 ton strength, thats for sure.

And ive read the ganon parts clearly, hes been defeated by the MS with fair ease, hes never been brutally butured however...

Originally posted by TGYDK http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Golden_Gauntlets

"When worn, they grant Link God-like strength, allowing him to not only lift rock pillars which, based on their appearance, easily weigh several tons, but hurl them at great distances."

Uh-oh.

several tons, seems like thousands is hardly the general idea...several tons I can belive...it makes sense and it looks like it makes sense...

Ganondorf's Triforce piece had granted him near-immortality; the only weapons that can harm him are the Master Sword, Silver Arrows and Light Arrows. During a massive time paradox following the Imprisoning War, the universe was severed into two separate time streams, creating two different incarnations of Ganondorf, each having met their ends at the hand of Link, leaving uncertain futures for both. Both incarnations of Ganondorf sport a chin curtain.

right from the link.

Thats a no limits fallacy, in case you dont know the debating fallacies, it pretty much means that statements in a video game that claim that a sword is indestructable or a character can only be harmed by one item is a no limit fallacy beacuse thoes rules are based on that game alone, not the rest of fiction. For example some charactrs in other unvierses can destroy worlds, you cant see them having a problem with Ganon just because no weapon in hyrule other than the MS can harm him.

Their still not invulerable to harm.

Yeah I know, although it doesnt prove his survival, it proves he can take a hell of a beating.

"shrug", it proves he can take a strike, maybe two of the mastersword tbh....I mean it usually beats him in a few hits. Now imagine Dante and Sephiroth moving at high speed with higher strength, slashing him into bits, hes got not chance and neither has link.

>_< saying the asme statement over and over isnt how you win debates, ye know.

Lol, because some kid on the wiki has no idea how much stone weighs, a massive pillar is clearly less dense than styrofoam...

1. Link is much stronger than Dante or Sephiroth.

2. Down playing the master sword is utterly laughable, especially in it's effectiveness against Ganon, it's the most effective thing there is against Ganon, period. Yamato/Rebellion/Masamune will not be even close to that effective on him.

Now add 1+2, and you see very quickly thay Dante and Sephiroth are both useless against Ganon, who has massive durability.

Again, I laugh at the idea you'd rather guess blindly than use incredibly low-balled numbers.

Yea, dante and seph take this, there too fast, and hella strong. The amount of damage that dante can dish out in a couple of seconds is astonishing... he has the strength to stop a massive object coming at him that weighs over 100 tons, and has fast enough reactions to catch bullets with his teeth, can cut bullets in half, and is also fast enough (speed wise) to move so that abnormal superhuman beings in game cant keep there eye sight on him... and this is only counting him with a sword. He has many different guns, ice nunchcucks (cerberus), a sniper, wind and fire twin blades (agni & rudra), devil trigger, ability to regenerate and be impaled many times without even being hurt at all, ability to teleport, gauntlets and grieves which enhance his attacking power, and the ability to summon a shadow version of himself to help him during the fight.

Dont know much about seph other than the fact that hes pretty fast, has some magic and tk abilities.

And that speed will help him how? Sure, maybe he can land a few hits on someone before he gets TK'd, but then it's over, and he's not strong enough to do much before that.

Ganon can survive the mastersword through his brain, why would Rebellion be any different, even if Dante was strong enough to put it there?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lol, because some kid on the wiki has no idea how much stone weighs, a massive pillar is clearly less dense than styrofoam...

1. Link is much stronger than Dante or Sephiroth.

2. Down playing the master sword is utterly laughable, especially in it's effectiveness against Ganon, it's the most effective thing there is against Ganon, period. Yamato/Rebellion/Masamune will not be even close to that effective on him.

Now add 1+2, and you see very quickly thay Dante and Sephiroth are both useless against Ganon, who has massive durability.

Again, I laugh at the idea you'd rather guess blindly than use incredibly low-balled numbers.

Oh damn, a bunch of bee stings... TK'd!

There's not a lot Dante can do, you're drasticly under-estimating Ganon's durability. in TP, Midna hit him so hard the entire castle exploded... And Ganon was what, totally unhurt? Dante can do better, why?

Ganon TK's him, and crushes his head between his hands, or seals him in the gap between dimensions. Maybe he rips Dante's arms off, over and over for lulz?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
And that speed will help him how? Sure, maybe he can land a few hits on someone before he gets TK'd, but then it's over, and he's not strong enough to do much before that.

Ganon can survive the mastersword through his brain, why would Rebellion be any different, even if Dante was strong enough to put it there?

1. He could just teleport out of his tk.

2. its different because dante can do it, do it again with another sword, do it again with dopple ganger, and do it again and again and... all in the matter of a couple of seconds. There is no way ganon can tank that and still be functional.

And this is only counting dante; seph is still in this fight.

Seph's a nonfactor, can't hurt either Ganon or Link.

Is there a seph respect thread around here? because so far i think they both can teleport iirc, so ganons tk is useless... and then it comes down strictly to how fast dante can kill the two.