Originally posted by carver9
How about this, show me another instance where he used his forcefield after that (You wont find it.)
how about this: show me where it says he DROPPED his force field in that battle with thor, because i can show you he HAD it up PRIOR to the GB being delivered. this scan is from the same battle just prior to the GB attack:
http://img24.imageshack.us/i/jug.jpg/
"my personal force field is already affecting your dumb mallet."
note that there is no visual representation of the force field, and yet jugg's states it is present. so, why would he have it for that simple hammer throw, and suddenly (without ever mentioning it at any time) suddenly DROP his force field for the GB?
Originally posted by leonidas
why would i bother showing that? are you saying it was pis that he had a force field?
Not pis, just the person not knowing about the characters abilities. I could put up at least 12 scans showing juggernaut taking attacks that would drop other people without his forcefield.
Originally posted by leonidas
how about this: show me where it says he DROPPED his force field in that battle with thor, because i can show you he HAD it up PRIOR to the GB being delivered. this scan is from the same battle just prior to the GB attack:http://img24.imageshack.us/i/jug.jpg/
"my personal force field is already affecting your dumb mallet."
note that there is no visual representation of the force field, and yet jugg's states it is present. so, why would he have it for that simple hammer throw, and suddenly (without ever mentioning it at any time) suddenly DROP his force field for the GB?
Leonidas, please stop using the same fight as reference to juggernauts entire history.
Juggernaut doesnt always have his forcefield up, its something that needs to be activated. Juggernauts skin is invulnerable, I cant remember the last time he used his forcefield.
Originally posted by carver9
Leonidas, please stop using the same fight as reference to juggernauts entire history.Juggernaut doesnt always have his forcefield up, its something that needs to be activated. Juggernauts skin is invulnerable, I cant remember the last time he used his forcefield.
me either, but you're changing the question--i'm not concerned with juggs' history. it was said that jugg's did not have his force field up for the god blast. i showed he had it up for the first part of the fight, and it was never said he dropped it at any time. THAT was my issue.
forgetting his history, you agree then that for that thor battle jugg's DID have the force field up for the god blast? you may disagree with how the field was represented, but do you agree he had the force field up when thor hit him with the GB?
Originally posted by leonidas
me either, but you're changing the question--i'm not concerned with juggs' history. it was said that jugg's did not have his force field up for the god blast. i showed he had it up for the first part of the fight, and it was never said he dropped it at any time. THAT was my issue.forgetting his history, you agree then that for that thor battle jugg's DID have the force field up for the god blast? you may disagree with how the field was represented, but do you agree he had the force field up when thor hit him with the GB?
Yes, he had a force field up but I dont even think he needed it but again, the writers relied on the forcefield as being his durability.
Here is juggernaut vs the exemplers. Each of these beings are equal to thor in power (from what I heard) and juggernaut crush them without a forcefield even being shown. The narrator even comments about the juggernauts hide. On one the scans one of the Exempler actually hits juggernaut with pressure points attacks.
I also want you to look at the last fight that he has, this is the reason I think his strength is above Hulk, Supes, etc... read the narrator.
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/632/jug8thdayp305sx.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9318/jug8thdayp318bm.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/72/jug8thdayp332kl.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/7686/jug8thdayp363ld.jpg
Here is another fight, its in hungarian but it proves that juggernaut doesnt need his forcefield and he's still invulnerable.
I want to start it of with juggernaut using super speed, running at in a blur (people keep saying he's slow.).
http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/74/wifv209403hun8cl.jpg
Looks like he created a sonic boom.
Here is the mags fight.
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/9130/wifv209406hun8mr.jpg
http://img455.imageshack.us/i/wifv209411hun8fr.jpg/
http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/5548/wifv209412hun7df.jpg
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2716/wifv209413hun4zr.jpg
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3387/wifv209416hun2vo.jpg
Originally posted by carver9
Yes, he had a force field up
seriously, that was all i was questioning. your scans are fine but i'm not arguing he has some invulnerability aside from his shield. in that battle with thor, and against the godblast, he did have the force field though. that's all i wanted to know.
and i know juggs is strong. how strong is and always will be a matter of opinion.
Originally posted by carver9
Bad example. That was one of the last time we actually SEEN juggernaut use his forcefield. The writer knew nothing of juggernauts durability.
Not only that, the editor labeled Juggernaut a Mutant. He just didn't know much about the character.
Originally posted by carver9
Here is another fight, its in hungarian but it proves that juggernaut doesnt need his forcefield and he's still invulnerable.I want to start it of with juggernaut using super speed, running at in a blur (people keep saying he's slow.).
http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/74/wifv209403hun8cl.jpg
Looks like he created a sonic boom.
Here is the mags fight.
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/9130/wifv209406hun8mr.jpg
http://img455.imageshack.us/i/wifv209411hun8fr.jpg/
http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/5548/wifv209412hun7df.jpg
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2716/wifv209413hun4zr.jpg
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3387/wifv209416hun2vo.jpg
I gotta say, Juggernaut is not running in your first scan. He was shot by a Sentinel and basically was blasted into that building. Those scans are from a What If? comic.
Leonidas, you're using a terrible example as a basis for your argument. In Thor 428-429 Juggernauts forcefield was portrayed as the source of his invulnerability. He's had tremendous feats of durability while not wearing it.
Not having his FF in this fight won't help Hercules. He's no match for the Juggernaut.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Leonidas, you're using a terrible example as a basis for your argument. In Thor 428-429 Juggernauts forcefield was portrayed as the source of his invulnerability. He's had tremendous feats of durability while not wearing it.Not having his FF in this fight won't help Hercules. He's no match for the Juggernaut.
not terrible at all. it was also shown that way in the previous thor arc 411-412. you said he didn't have his force field up for the GB. he did. i'm not interested in his history--i was interested in the battle with thor specifically. you can call it pis--which it sounds like you are--that's fine. i'm curious how you would explain the fact that nimrod physically knocked his helmet off though?
i've no doubt he's had great showings without the FF. could herc take him? i don't know for sure. using his invulnerability (which has been removed in this thread) as it was depicted in thor, hercules could certainly take him though.
Originally posted by leonidas
not terrible at all. it was also shown that way in the previous thor arc 411-412. you said he didn't have his force field up for the GB. he did. i'm not interested in his history--i was interested in the battle with thor specifically. you can call it pis--which it sounds like you are--that's fine. i'm curious how you would explain the fact that nimrod physically knocked his helmet off though?i've no doubt he's had great showings without the FF. could herc take him? i don't know for sure. using his invulnerability (which has been removed in this thread) as it was depicted in thor, hercules could certainly take him though.
Nimrod knocked his helmet off the same way everyone else does. It's always physically removed.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33if hes suppose to be invulnereble without FF then why does he even have a FF if it dont change nothing? 🙄
Leonidas, you're using a terrible example as a basis for your argument. In Thor 428-429 Juggernauts forcefield was portrayed as the source of his invulnerability. He's had tremendous feats of durability while not wearing it.Not having his FF in this fight won't help Hercules. He's no match for the Juggernaut.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
if hes suppose to be invulnereble without FF then why does he even have a FF if it dont change nothing? 🙄
Protect him from when he doesn't want to be touched. Like say he was fighting against the X-Men, or Thanos. Both teams could down him with telepathy, but a smart Juggernaut would activate his field so there would be no chance of his helmet coming off.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenixbut if hes invulnerble without his FF then it dont change nothing if hes touched or not (cept if its for hygene reasons or somethin lol)
Protect him from when he doesn't want to be touched. Like say he was fighting against the X-Men, or Thanos. Both teams could down him with telepathy, but a smart Juggernaut would activate his field so there would be no chance of his helmet coming off.
(and his helmets been taken of even tho he wasnt touched)
why did he use his FF when Thor throw his hammer at him? (and Thor wasnt using it to knock of his helmet)
thats the 2nd fight where he need his FF
Juggernaut doesnt NEED his forcefield to be invulnerable. the only time that was even hinted at, was in the thor fight 😉. it wasnt stated that juggernaut erected his forcefield when thor threw the godblast. the only 2 times i remember it being referenced were when thor threw his hammer (juggernaut didnt want to be touched) and stopped it so he could right it back to thor for the KO.
the other time was when thor negated most of juggernauts magics (thor said it would negate them all, not just the force field), and i believe that near the end of the 30 seconds juggernaut was in a panic trying to bring his force field back because he had never been in a situation like that not having it when he wanted it.
but its not the source of his invulnerability 😉. its for when he doesnt want to be touched (like thors hammer, or spidermans web, or doesnt want to get wet walking through water, or a number of other things).
