Batman vs. John McClane

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I beleive the McClane counter to this would have to be borrowed from Robocop script somewhat, when McClane would say to Batman something like:

"I guess you think you're pretty smart, huh...? Can you outsmart a bullet?"

Only this version asks if Wayne can outsmart 30 of the buggers.

Then Batman tells him in his Bat voice " Now you see me... now you don't" 😄

Originally posted by dadudemon
1. RJ. You're wrong. Bullets don't travel at the speed of sound.

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They travel upwards of double the speed of sound. 😄

2. Quincy is correct. The automatic means jack shit.

3. I've already pointed out that McClane, quite clearly falls for the possum death. We have to go by movie feats. If bat falls, McClane will think he's dead, just like he thought the other dude was dead. Why would McClane think that someone was bullet-proof? He wouldn't. Only Riggs would assume that based off of his fight with flamethrower tin-man guy. (Another reason why riggs>McCLane.)

4. Batman fought against an entire armed gang, some with automatics. Entire armed gang, at once >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> McClane. McClane took out the peeps in the building, 1 at a time, separate from each other. He simply is not even remotely skilled enough to take out a dozen+ at once. 😐

Anyone arguing for McClane is a McClane fanboy. But you guys already know that and willfully admit it.

shame people can't see your points

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Then Batman tells him in his Bat voice " Now you see me... now you don't" 😄

shame people can't see your points

Because there is none, witness the pure pwnage below:

Originally posted by dadudemon
1. RJ. You're wrong. Bullets don't travel at the speed of sound.

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They travel upwards of double the speed of sound. 😄

Speed of sound:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_sound

The speed of sound describes how far this wave travels in a given amount of time. In dry air at 20 °C (68 °F), the speed of sound is 343 meters per second (1,125 ft/s). This equates to 1,236 kilometers per hour (768 mph), or about one mile in five seconds.

An HK 9mm submachine gun:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HK_MP5

Muzzle velocity 400 m/s (1,312 ft/s) (MP5A2, MP5A3, MP5A4, MP5A5)
375 m/s (1,230.3 ft/s) (MP5K, MP5KA1, MP5KA4, MP5KA5, MP5K-PDW)
285 m/s (935.0 ft/s) (MP5SD1, MP5SD2, MP5SD3, MP5SD4, MP5SD5, MP5SD6)
425 m/s (1,394.4 ft/s) (MP5/10)
315 m/s (1,033.5 ft/s) (MP5/40)

So no, I was in the right ballpark. Twice the speed of sound my hairy nutsac.

2. Quincy is correct. The automatic means jack shit.

3. I've already pointed out that McClane, quite clearly falls for the possum death. We have to go by movie feats. If bat falls, McClane will think he's dead, just like he thought the other dude was dead. Why would McClane think that someone was bullet-proof? He wouldn't. Only Riggs would assume that based off of his fight with flamethrower tin-man guy. (Another reason why riggs>McCLane.)

Riggs had a pistol, not a machine gun, and the flamethrower dude clear had armor that was WAY superior to Bat armor.

4. Batman fought against an entire armed gang, some with automatics. Entire armed gang, at once >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> McClane. McClane took out the peeps in the building, 1 at a time, separate from each other. He simply is not even remotely skilled enough to take out a dozen+ at once. 😐

Anyone arguing for McClane is a McClane fanboy. But you guys already know that and willfully admit it.

TheDudeMan wins

SURE he does.

Gracious of you to come to terms with it stoned

Nah, far from a win, I pwned the speed of sound part, I pwned the part about the machine gun making all the difference in the world, third part is up for grabs, fourth part he knows better.

Point is - McClane has CLEARLY and MOST OBVIOUSLY fallen for the "I'm actually dead" thing. He's still in Nakatomi Plaza in this situation, and STILL hoping to rescue Holly. None of that changes.

As for your "scientific research" (and I mean wikipedia link) the gun in question being used in this match is not an H&K MP5, but an H&K94. (although to be honest, at this moment I can't double check on that.)

It seems like you are taking this fight as playing out with "McClane sees Batman and shoots" as the fight. When they both see each other at the same time. Batman HAS taken out a man with a gun (actually quite a few at the same time) while McClane has NEVER seen The Batman.

So essentially, are you saying that McClane will still react before Batman can?

Originally posted by Quincy
Point is - McClane has CLEARLY and MOST OBVIOUSLY fallen for the "I'm actually dead" thing. He's still in Nakatomi Plaza in this situation, and STILL hoping to rescue Holly. None of that changes.

As for your "scientific research" (and I mean wikipedia link) the gun in question being used in this match is not an H&K MP5, but an H&K94. (although to be honest, at this moment I can't double check on that.)

It seems like you are taking this fight as playing out with "McClane sees Batman and shoots" as the fight. When they both see each other at the same time. Batman HAS taken out a man with a gun (actually quite a few at the same time) while McClane has NEVER seen The Batman.

So essentially, are you saying that McClane will still react before Batman can?

OK, weird:

http://www.tripatlas.com/HK_94

The 'HK-94' is a semi-automatic carbine version of Heckler & Koch's MP5 submachine gun. It was sold exclusively in the United States.

Semi auto? And BTW, it is a variant of the MP5, so my previous post about it's muzzle velocity is accurate.

I think Impediment got it wrong, I think McClane used an MP5, check it:

http://www.yourprops.com/view_item.php?movie_prop=17405

And this:

http://www.ashleypomeroy.com/2004/diehard.html

The terrorists generally use the Heckler and Koch MP5, a 9mm submachine-gun made famous by the SAS. Alexander Gudonov's character uses a Steyr AUG, an Austrian 5.56mm assault rifle made mostly out of plastic.

Yeah, it's an MP5.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Why would McClane think that someone was bullet-proof?

1) Because the person he just riddled with bullets is wearing a fancy high-tech looking suit.

2) Bullets make different sounds when crushing against something than they do cutting into flesh.

3) He isn't a complete imbecile

This is why this whole "Batman plays possum and then pwns, pwns real hard" bit in nonsense.

When did Batman play "possum" in Begins? I can't recall it. Anyone?

Originally posted by Robtard
1) Because the person he just riddled with bullets is wearing a fancy high-tech looking suit.

2) Bullets make different sounds when crushing against something than they do cutting into flesh.

3) He isn't a complete imbecile

This is why this whole "Batman plays possum and then pwns, pwns real hard" bit in nonsense.

When did Batman play "possum" in Begins? I can't recall it. Anyone?

As for the suit looking high tech - it just looks like Black Leather.

He possumed in Dark Knight. What's wrong with that evidence?

The shot in Dark Knight where Dent shoots Bats sounded just like any other shot. Not to mention McClane wouldn't be able to hear what the impact sounded like anyways, if he's firing in bursts with a H&K94

Originally posted by Quincy
As for the suit looking high tech - it just looks like Black Leather.

He possumed in Dark Knight. What's wrong with that evidence?

The shot in Dark Knight where Dent shoots Bats sounded just like any other shot. Not to mention McClane wouldn't be able to hear what the impact sounded like anyways, if he's firing in bursts with a H&K94

It looks a bit like body armour, actually.

We're going off DH1 and BB feats only, so Batman isn't trying that possum trick here. Which is actually better for him, as it'd be a deathtrap.

So off the "Batman pwns hard!" list:

-Doing a piroutte so the bullets bounce off

-Playing possum

Next?

This is what the McClane fanboys remind me of. They just won't die. Damn, dudes. Give it up.

YouTube video

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Originally posted by Robtard
It looks a bit like body armour, actually.

We're going off DH1 and BB feats only, so Batman isn't trying that possum trick. Which is actually better for him, as it'd be a deathtrap.

It has a shape to it, but it looks like leather to me. It certainly doesn't look like kevlar bi-weave bullet protection. I mean, the armor was made to save the lives of soldiers. Soldiers get shot at. Right?

also-

So you're saying that Batman is incapable of playing possum because he hadn't done it yet? So he doesn't know how to do it?

And for christ sakes none of it even matters.

Originally posted by Quincy
It seems like you are taking this fight as playing out with "McClane sees Batman and shoots" as the fight. When they both see each other at the same time. Batman HAS taken out a man with a gun (actually quite a few at the same time) while McClane has NEVER seen The Batman.

So essentially, are you saying that McClane will still react before Batman can?

Oh you "editing to sound tougher" *****

fight you robtard!

No need, I have a verified eToughness rating of 98.2, I just rarely pull it out.

Originally posted by Quincy

And for christ sakes none of it even matters.

If you were bat-smart, you'd argue that Batman would immediately dive/roll for cover(which he has done in BB), as to avoid McClane fire. Then use a combo of his bat-call signal to fill the floor with bats and then take out McClane via that bat-bomb ghe used to blow through the brick wall in Arkham.

Originally posted by Robtard
If you were bat-smart, you'd argue that Batman would immediately dive/roll for cover(which he has done in BB), as to avoid McClane fire. Then use a combo of his bat-call signal to fill the floor with bats and then take out McClane via that bat-bomb ghe used to blow through the brick wall in Arkham.

stoned:

Originally posted by Quincy
I think that gives Batman the second he needs to batarang. Or just...you know, get behind some cover?

Bats are also unnecessary. The HF Transponder can be used at a lower frequency to cause incapacitating headaches. Click of the heels and Mac is holding his bald head in agony.

Only rap music has that effect on McClane.