Batman vs. John McClane

McClane.

However. Given his armor and reaction time Batman should be able to escape the original encounter. Not because he can dodge bullets. Rather because he has a shot at dodging McClanes shots/aim. Remember they see each other at the same time and John is understandable baffled by Bat's appearance, but lets assume Mac immidiatly assumes Bat's is a wacked out terrorist. John's first thought is shoot, Bats first thought is move. Now given on screen feats i'd say Bruce has better reaction time(though McClane is by no means slow). That aside though if Bats is hitting the deck at the same time Mac is shooting then Mac is at the very least not going to hit him were he wants to. Which with Wayne's armor coverage gives him a good chance at surviving and rolling out of the way of the next shot. Infact even if Bat's took the first couple of shots before he got the dodge off. Mac being a cop is likely going to be shooting for center mass. Meaning Bruce has a good shot at surviving anyway.

Now that we are past the initial encounter. At some point Batman is going to close the distance and get up close and personel. That's how he opperates. He is most comfortable at melee range. Unfortunatly. This is where things go down hill for him. Considering the guys that Mac has taken out in CQC and the beating he can take. Batman pounds on him for a spell until Johny boy gets his opening and knocks Batman the fu<k out.

Yeah I said it. McClane doesn't win because he shoots Batman. He win because he straight up beats his head in. Well Bale Batman anyway. Anthology Batman would cave his skull in.

McClane.

However. Given his armor and reaction time Batman should be able to escape the original encounter. Not because he can dodge bullets. Rather because he has a shot at dodging McClanes shots/aim. Remember they see each other at the same time and John is understandable baffled by Bat's appearance, but lets assume Mac immidiatly assumes Bat's is a wacked out terrorist. John's first thought is shoot, Bats first thought is move. Now given on screen feats i'd say Bruce has better reaction time(though McClane is by no means slow). That aside though if Bats is hitting the deck at the same time Mac is shooting then Mac is at the very least not going to hit him were he wants to. Which with Wayne's armor coverage gives him a good chance at surviving and rolling out of the way of the next shot. Infact even if Bat's took the first couple of shots before he got the dodge off. Mac being a cop is likely going to be shooting for center mass. Meaning Bruce has a good shot at surviving anyway.

Great post.....

Now that we are past the initial encounter. At some point Batman is going to close the distance and get up close and personel. That's how he opperates. He is most comfortable at melee range. Unfortunatly. This is where things go down hill for him. Considering the guys that Mac has taken out in CQC and the beating he can take. Batman pounds on him for a spell until Johny boy gets his opening and knocks Batman the fu<k out.

Yeah I said it. McClane doesn't win because he shoots Batman. He win because he straight up beats his head in. Well Bale Batman anyway. Anthology Batman would cave his skull in.

....until you said this. Batman wreaks McClane in CQC.

I think all McClane backers need to be banned for a week or so, to cool off and have a good think over about their actions.

Originally posted by Placidity
I think all McClane backers need to be banned for a week or so, to cool off and have a good think over about their actions.

You're blinded by your McHatred, let go of your McRage, overcome your McFear, come into the McLight of reason.

Originally posted by Placidity
I think all posters named Placidity need to be banned for a week or so, to cool off and have a good think over about their actions.

I support this fully.

Batman wouldn't make it past the initial 30 rounds in the face.

I really cant believe people believe Batman to basically be a T-800/wolverine in a mask.

How boring it must be for Batfans to watch their movies, knowing that if God itself turned up, Batman would be able to endure alll it could give out.... No danger element in a character once he has been promoted to Adamantium God level by his fans....

At least with McClane is interesting, cause he seems to be an underdog, til he assrapes the bigger dogs and steals their biscuits..

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Batman wouldn't make it past the initial 30 rounds in the face.

I really cant believe people believe Batman to basically be a T-800/wolverine in a mask.

How boring it must be for Batfans to watch their movies, knowing that if God itself turned up, Batman would be able to endure alll it could give out.... No danger element in a character once he has been promoted to Adamantium God level by his fans....

At least with McClane is interesting, cause he seems to be an underdog, til he assrapes the bigger dogs and steals their biscuits..

Originally posted by Placidity
I think all McClane backers need to be banned for a week or so, to cool off and have a good think over about their actions.

I don't think they're so much Mc Clane fanboys or backers but more like contrarian. Very likely people who are fed up or bother by the Batman movies. Which is the reason I refuse to contribute any further in this thread.

No point in getting my dick dirty with shit. I'll just play it safe and observed.

I will however, in the spirit of a good sport...mention that there is a scene in which Mc Clane is on the radio trying to warn the bomb on the roof. As he he tries to send the message the brother of the terrorist killed earlier sneaks behind him easily. Mc Clane have a gun with him and just practically gets into a punching match. So there goes his "stealth alert" as well as his "shoot first ask questions later"

Hopefully my last two cents for this thread.

McClane's attention was focused elsewhere, in this scenario, his attention is all on the Bat.

Well, the obvious question now for you RJ is this:

"How does Mc Clain know that Batman is there, when Batman is hidding in the shadows?"

What? you now gonna say Mc Clain is going to use his "Sixth Sense"?

Read the opening post, dude.

I read it...and I'm asking you a question.

Batman is not hiding in the shadows here, he is standing there, he and McClane facing off.

There, Rob. I did it. Eat my ass.

Batman (Bale) infiltrates the Nakatomi Plaza trying to save everyone from Gruber's gang. John sees Batman and doesn't know what the f*ck to think. Batman sees John and thinks he is one of the terrorists. John advances on Bats armed with a Beretta 92F 9mm pistol and the HK94 he had when he was talking shit to Hans via the walkie talkie.

Batman has all of his standard equipment and armor. Duh.

Haha, that's not how Batman works. What, do you think he's f***ing stupid Hans?

Then I don't think you're following RJ.

Concentrate on this part:

John advances on Bats armed with a Beretta 92F 9mm pistol and the HK94 he had when he was talking shit to Hans via the walkie talkie.

Notice he says "advance"...does it say John shoots? Does it say John is paying full attention to Batman (obviously not since he is talking with Hans)

As you seen in the Batman movies...he appears one moment..then disappears into the shadows.

Are you with me so far?

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Haha, that's not how Batman works. What, do you think he's f***ing stupid Hans?

Originally posted by Nightstick
McClane.

However. Given his armor and reaction time Batman should be able to escape the original encounter. Not because he can dodge bullets. Rather because he has a shot at dodging McClanes shots/aim. Remember they see each other at the same time and John is understandable baffled by Bat's appearance, but lets assume Mac immidiatly assumes Bat's is a wacked out terrorist. John's first thought is shoot, Bats first thought is move. Now given on screen feats i'd say Bruce has better reaction time(though McClane is by no means slow). That aside though if Bats is hitting the deck at the same time Mac is shooting then Mac is at the very least not going to hit him were he wants to. Which with Wayne's armor coverage gives him a good chance at surviving and rolling out of the way of the next shot. Infact even if Bat's took the first couple of shots before he got the dodge off. Mac being a cop is likely going to be shooting for center mass. Meaning Bruce has a good shot at surviving anyway.

Now that we are past the initial encounter. At some point Batman is going to close the distance and get up close and personel. That's how he opperates. He is most comfortable at melee range. Unfortunatly. This is where things go down hill for him. Considering the guys that Mac has taken out in CQC and the beating he can take. Batman pounds on him for a spell until Johny boy gets his opening and knocks Batman the fu<k out.

Yeah I said it. McClane doesn't win because he shoots Batman. He win because he straight up beats his head in. Well Bale Batman anyway. Anthology Batman would cave his skull in.

Bale Batman can rip trucks open with his amplified gloves.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Got a problem with the OP? Its not mine, its Impediments.

Oh, and there is this classic scene which can be used in this thread:

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Yeah...I know what the Mc Claneans are going to say....

LOLZ! JOHNS GOING TO SHOOT ALL BATS!!!!!

Originally posted by WhoopeeDee
Then I don't think you're following RJ.

Concentrate on this part:

John advances on Bats armed with a Beretta 92F 9mm pistol and the HK94 he had when he was talking shit to Hans via the walkie talkie.

Notice he says "advance"...does it say John shoots? Does it say John is paying full attention to Batman (obviously not since he is talking with Hans)

As you seen in the Batman movies...he appears one moment..then disappears into the shadows.

Are you with me so far?

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
He never specified exactly where this takes place. There is ample evidance of Batman's stealth feats in a variety of environments. You are assuming that they are in an arena.

Check it out:

Originally posted by Impediment
He has armor, you know. And he's very versatile. I'm sure he could, very much like John did, tuck and roll to find cover in a skyscraper full of obstacles.

Originally posted by Impediment
Batman wouldn't let that happen, says I. He's a trained ninja, FFS. Once John and Batman see each other, they are both gonna attack and/or duck for cover.

Kinda implies that Batman is NOT under the cover of shadows, or under cover at all.