Kain vs Kratos and Ganondorf

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Kain vs Kratos and Ganondorf

Kratos gets all abilities
Ganondorf has all his abilities shown except when he obtained full triforce.

kain gets all his abilities shown.

takes place on hyrule field.

The same thing that always happens when someone tries to attack Kain, they die. Although Kain either uses dimentional teleport and kills them both through soul devouring blade OR he makes Kratos kill Ganondorf through mind control or inspire hate.

Ganondorf is hopeless, being too slow to stop Kain and not being durable enough to take a hit unlike Kratos who can survive Kains physical but not his magical. Their both at a disadvantage in movement, Kain cna teleport extremely fast and can be all around them while transforming to bats/mist to get a physical movement edge.

Ganondorf has more durability than both. Kratos in his games dies rather easily through impaling. Ganondorf has been impaled with much larger sword. Shot by arrows meant to kill him and stabbed by the sword meant to kill him and he didnt die, but that isnt durable. Ganondorf was a powerful magician before he obtain the triforce of Power. what makes you think that Triforce of Power weakened it?

Kain can only teleport insuccession with a special item. Inspire hate works for a short time even if kratos was effected by it he wouldnt kill ganondorf because Ganondorf could easily possess Kratos like he did Zelda. Kain's physical strength is lower than link's and link stabbed ganondorf in the skull with the master sword and it didnt kill him. How is Kain supposed to hurt him? Ganondorf possesses greater TK than Kain and can also dimensional teleport. Advantage Ganondorf and Kratos. I haven't listed any of Kratos's feats and Kain is still losing.

False, Ganondorf at best has survived a few tons of castle brick, Kratos can survive after an enormous metal contruction (colossus of rhodes) smashes him and can survive a fair duration while impaled on the blade of Omlypus from zeus...lmao, larger sword? which? if your talking of the master sword dont be silly.....the MS can slice through him with ease so his skin has little resistance.

no, the special item is the soul reaver so its not a "special" item, its an incredible powerful sword that is integral to Kains character as the MS is for Link or the triforce of power is to Ganon. Possess him? it was either Sappho or First that said Zelda was not even inhabiting her body at the time.... lol lower than Links? Link is at best a 10/20+ tonner with an item, Kain is without any items around 30+ tonner and the master sword turns Ganon to stone several times nad always defeats him even if he does not permanently die, and the game where Zant dies sounds like Ganon dies as well....

Hurt him? your talking about killing, Kain can slice him to pieces. Link holds back prob because its a game for yougner viewers, if he can pierce Ganon he could have sliced him into bits and buried him like Kain will. If he does not rip his soul out.

Still loseing? based on some fallacious statements and lies? I think not....Kain is more likely to possess Ganondorf, then leave his body to dissolve..and greater TK? TK is irrelvent, with his TK Kain could stop Ganon with just as much ease...

What happens, is Kain slows time nad teleports next to them, casually walking up to Ganondorf he rips out his soul or freezes him completly to drink his blood later. Kratos is even easier, he just holds him dangling slowly in time by the neck then tears out his eyes and drains him of blood.

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
Kratos gets all abilities
Ganondorf has all his abilities shown except when he obtained full triforce.

kain gets all his abilities shown.

takes place on hyrule field.

bash

BT if you keep repressing Ganon's insane durability you'll get a tumor. And we all know you don't want that to happen.

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Originally posted by Burning thought
False, Ganondorf at best has survived a few tons of castle brick, which? if your talking of the master sword dont be silly.....the MS can slice through him with ease so his skin has little resistance.

no, the special item is the soul reaver so its not a "special" item

Possess him? it was either Sappho or First that said Zelda was not even inhabiting her body at the time....

lol lower than Links? Link is at best a 10/20+ tonner with an item,

and the master sword turns Ganon to stone

Kain can slice him to pieces. Link holds back prob because its a game for yougner viewers, if he can pierce Ganon he could have sliced him into bits and buried him like Kain will. If he does not rip his soul out.

TK Kain could stop Ganon with just as much ease...

Kain slows time

1. Play a Zelda Game. His was impaled by the light blade not the master sword at his execution.
2. Kain could teleport and when he uses the Blood Reaver equipped with the Dimension fragment he can then teleport multiple times in succesion
3. They are clearly idiots. Ganondorf had already kicked her ass and had her unconcious hanging as an ornament
4. Throws Gorons with no strength enhancers
5. When did he turn to stone?
6. How can Kain slice him to pieces when the master sword has not? Link doesnt hold back, Ganondorf does as PIS so that Link can beat him. LOL @ rip his soul out. Ganondorf will not take enough damage from kain for that to be effective
7. Yet he cant stop Galen. hmmmm. Ganondorf can tk from different dimensions.
8. the quote says stop oppenent in time. that is refering to his projectile attack that stops his opponent. you make it seem like he has time control like noz. Ganondorf easily dodges link's arrows he can easily dodge kains projectile magic. Advantage Ganondorf.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
BT if you keep repressing Ganon's insane durability you'll get a tumor. And we all know you don't want that to happen.

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i had that as a ringtone

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
1. Play a Zelda Game. His was impaled by the light blade not the master sword at his execution.
2. Kain could teleport and when he uses the Blood Reaver equipped with the Dimension fragment he can then teleport multiple times in succesion
3. They are clearly idiots. Ganondorf had already kicked her ass and had her unconcious hanging as an ornament
4. Throws Gorons with no strength enhancers
5. When did he turn to stone?
6. How can Kain slice him to pieces when the master sword has not? Link doesnt hold back, Ganondorf does as PIS so that Link can beat him. LOL @ rip his soul out. Ganondorf will not take enough damage from kain for that to be effective
7. Yet he cant stop Galen. hmmmm. Ganondorf can tk from different dimensions.
8. the quote says stop oppenent in time. that is refering to his projectile attack that stops his opponent. you make it seem like he has time control like noz. Ganondorf easily dodges link's arrows he can easily dodge kains projectile magic. Advantage Ganondorf.

1. Ive seen it, I thought that was the master sword the Sages were useing, regardless it shows that Ganon can be pierced by other swords other than the Mastersword, so what if it didnt kill him? I would like to see him come back when Kain rips him in half...or Kratos or Dante for that matter.

2. yes so? and with the powers Kratos gains over his games he can fire typhons bow, usea gorgons head and has the magic of Atlas and Chronos....whats your point? the fragment that slots in the reaver is always there once Kain gains it...its not a powerup, its a canon add on to the sword, considering this is Kain wilth all abilities, it exists...

3. Sappho an idiot yet Screampaste and moocow are not? Sappho is not the one who claims 1000 ton link....

4.

5. Windwaker I think, he puts the sword in ganons head and he turns to stone...

6. The master sword is not as powerful as the reaver and Link has not tried to slice Ganon to pieces, the master sword has stuck in Ganon over and over again, why Link does not cut him into bits is beyond me..and not enough damage? Kain does not need to damage Ganon...its a spell, Kain casts it...Ganons soul is gone, unless your talking the gameplay mechanics of the reaver..sorry but theres never been a gameplay mechanic like that for the soul reaver, certainly not in canon. As Kain says himself, strike and his soul is devoured. and if gameplay is anything to go by, he will explode after losing his soul, or dissolve.

7. No he cant touch Galens Tk.....

8. yeh, his projectile attack stops them in time (gameplay)....problem is Kain can also slow time around him which will slow Ganon so Kain wont even hardly have to aim....just casually walk up to ganon and decapitate him...he has no chance. He does not dodge links arrows while slowed to a crawl in time 😉

prove reaver is superior to master sword. then prove kain can slow down time. prove kain can take a powerful being soul with just a touch, while the being is at full strength.

Windwaker Ganondorf didnt have the triforce. the gameplay that projectile stops the opponent in time not time itself. so prove those statements for me since you made the claim. otherwise it will remain advantage Ganondorf. oh with kratos who has yet to be introduced in the fight.

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
prove reaver is superior to master sword. then prove kain can slow down time. prove kain can take a powerful being soul with just a touch, while the being is at full strength.

Windwaker Ganondorf didnt have the triforce. the gameplay that projectile stops the opponent in time not time itself. so prove those statements for me since you made the claim. otherwise it will remain advantage Ganondorf. oh with kratos who has yet to be introduced in the fight.

There were videos floating around that show Kain slowing down time.

EDIT: The best video I could find right now. I'm sure there are better ones.

Linking YouTube videos directly here never works for me, so here's just the URL.
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watch?v=JvCOiIZF2GI

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
There were videos floating around that show Kain slowing down time.

EDIT: The best video I could find right now. I'm sure there are better ones.

Linking YouTube videos directly here never works for me, so here's just the URL.
1:53
watch?v=JvCOiIZF2GI

YouTube video

[ youtube ] JvCOiIZF2GI [ / youtube ]

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
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[ youtube ] JvCOiIZF2GI [ / youtube ]

Oh, so all you need are the numbers? Thanks, didn't know that.

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
prove reaver is superior to master sword. then prove kain can slow down time. prove kain can take a powerful being soul with just a touch, while the being is at full strength.

Windwaker Ganondorf didnt have the triforce. the gameplay that projectile stops the opponent in time not time itself. so prove those statements for me since you made the claim. otherwise it will remain advantage Ganondorf. oh with kratos who has yet to be introduced in the fight.

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/weapons.php

"Time fades even legend, and the origin of the Soul Reaver has been lost long ago. But its purpose remains - to feed on the souls of any creature it strikes. Kindred, this blade and I."

The soul reaver is an incredible weapon, do you not realise this? first it can slow time, move Kain through dimensions at incredible speed, make all enemies around him fight eachother or even control energy (in the form of lightning in gameplay). And thats its normal powers, Kains reaver is imbued with Raziel which would give it all the elemental powers, fire, wind, earth etc....and Raziels soul itself that devours the souls of enemies it touches. The blade also has many effects that it is inflicts on those it strikes based on all its elements, the Earth and time slow the enemy, dimension strikes all entities nearby with similiar force, energy fires lightning from the blade as it hits. And you think the master sword has anything? hell the Sword can cause major damage and pain to a being such as the Elder God who is beyond anything in LoZ, at least beyond anything the MS strikes since I highly doubt it has sliced the gods of hyrule.

No, in gameplay Kain fires the projectile and it freezes his opponent in time:

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/spells.php

I would imagine out of gameplay there would be no projectile since that portion of the spell only makes sense in gameplay balance as well as the limits of the controller at the time. Although that cannotbe proven so we will stick with projectiles:

"Through this magic, I can stop my enemies in their tracks. Frozen in time, they can do nothing to hinder their own doom. Sometimes, I draw out their fate, for the added fear sweetens their blood."

Although note that Kain never states a projectile or a blast in any of his own lore descriptions of the incapacitate, mind stun, mind control etc, only the gameplay claims projectiles and Kain states a projectile on blood gout....which leads to it likely not having a projectile.

Although I am talking about what A.G has shown, the reaver can slow time around Kain by about 50%, probably more outside of gameplay but around 50% is roughly shown. Either way, Ganon slowed as well as Kratos means they are dead meat....

Heres a time slow AOE vid of my own:

6:30-6:48

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"sigh" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8KHYFh2C6c

i never downplayed the reaver's power i know its strong i asked you to prove it stronger than the master sword. can he inspire hate on boss level creatures? i will give you he slows time. but doesnt kratos as well? and im interested in how he will pull it off if ganondorf tk's him.

Kain still loses due to not being able to harm Ganondorf. He can slow time all he wants though.

The master sword has done nothing other than its petty apparent power to reflect evil which it seems to also be poor at if it cant kill Ganon, has it shown anything worth noting?

I am not sure, theres no bosses in Defiance where he can inspire hate since theres only one enemy at a time...not that its relevant....why would the gameplay title and mechanic of a "boss" help anyone? Kratos is not a boss...

Kratos slows time when he is in the vicinity of a special object found on the levels of the three sisters, I doubt there are any in hyrule.

If Ganon TKs him I would be very surprised he does something so poor and pathetic, Kain can escape TK with his lowly mist power, or a teleport. It takes him as you can see by the video very very little time to start the time reaver power. As soon as he appears next to Ganon and kratos they may as well be made out of paper and be as weak as small animals since they cannot touch him or stop him. He will effortlessly strangle the life out of them with his grubby claws.

Ganon can TK the mist form.

If someone can indeed show me Ganon Tking a weather formation then teleport works just as well if not better, afterall escpaing TK and giving yourself some room between your opponents is better than just escape.

how can kain fight if he is mist?