Kain vs Kratos and Ganondorf

I've already told you that your clinging to specific wording does not change the obvious intention. You don't do well with reading comprehension I guess. No problem. I can spell it out for you and explain the meaning if you like.

lol you just admitted your idea of Ganon having the same powers is based on opinion and guesswork..."sigh"

Just like Kains description on regulation that makes him such an incredible power in canon, the words used for Ganons empowerment of Zant are quite clear, what Zant does with this power is not necesserily exactley what Ganon can do himself, nothing shows or states this at all. Not that its even useful.

There's that comprehension problem again.

Zant has no powers at all. He clearly says his magic is not that of the Twilight tribe's. He says his power comes from Ganon. Ganon is the only reason Zant is even there. Without Ganon, Zant is still a miserable servant of Midna.

yeh, and hes given power and with it, does things Ganondorf has never done himself...not against Link, his companions etc....you cant pull down the PIS flag for him not useing the power of planet smothering twilight in any of his other incarnations...

Now you're just being stupid.

If I have an apple, is it possible for me to give you two apples? No, because I do not have two apples. Hell, technically I can give you two apples, but I'd have to go get another one. Which still means I was in possession of two apples.

Everything Zant can do, Ganon can do.

If you had a power generator and a toaster to power with it, and then you gave me the Generator but I had a microwave, does that mean you also have a microwave? no....

Very good, you're learning.

Ah, now I see what you were doing. But your comprehension problem is still showing. Zant said his magic was not that of the old tribes. The toaster and the microwave are moot.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Show me Ganon doing anything similiar.....and Ganon cant go mist...nor can he drain the blood of his enemies while gaining their abilities. nor can he rip out souls with spells....or freeze opponents in time..or slow several. Theres a great many things the inferior ganon cannot do.

Ive not even seen Ganon teleport, have you? and I am talking Ganondorf himself, not Zant....if so please show me Ganondorf teleporting.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Ive not even seen Ganon teleport, have you? and I am talking Ganondorf himself, not Zant....if so please show me Ganondorf teleporting.

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Ganondorf is in the exploding castle... And suddenly apperas right in front of Zelda/Link. Either he teleported there or moved there really fast. However in the Ganon Boss battle, Ganon can teleport.

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but anyway Ares at least you provided a vid, and yes he must have had some sort of power to get there quickly I suppose, but thats no definite feat of teleportation and its peculier in the fact that he was a dimebodied head one min and now hes in his typical form. It also proves he was not in the castle when it explodes, expelling that durability assumption.

Can you show me this Ganon fight where he teleports plz?

It's more Interdimensional travel and seems rather slow. :/ Of course it is a gameplay mechanic so it truly isn't canon anyway... But none the less here it is.

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but anyway Ares at least you provided a vid, and yes he must have had some sort of power to get there quickly I suppose, but thats no definite feat of teleportation and its peculier in the fact that he was a dimebodied head one min and now hes in his typical form. It also proves he was not in the castle when it explodes, expelling that durability assumption.

Once again, lol. explain then, if Ganon was not inside the castle when it exploded, how he got Midna's fused shadows?

If I had the right system I prob would play twilight princes (is that the game you display?) as it looks far better than the other Zelda games.

Although yes, it is slow, so technically from what you can actually see at base value, Ganon cannot teleport in either of these vids, we can only specuate he did in the first to escape the castle but how it works, how he does it etc are a mystery...its a fairly vague action.

And scream we clearly see the castle explode and Ganon is outside when it does, he prob kills her just before it explodes to escape said explosion.

If I had the right system I prob would play twilight princes (is that the game you display?) as it looks far better than the other Zelda games.

Although yes, it is slow, so technically from what you can actually see at base value, Ganon cannot teleport in either of these vids, we can only specuate he did in the first to escape the castle but how it works, how he does it etc are a mystery...its a fairly vague action.

And scream we clearly see the castle explode and Ganon is outside when it does, he prob kills her just before it explodes to escape said explosion.

So either A; you accept logic or;
B; we do it your way, and Ganon's obviously got supersonic speed since he apparently can't teleport. durlaugh

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Ironicly, it's not even in the top three. It's the easiest Zelda game to date, imho. And comparatively light hearted compared to OoT/MM.

Problem, Midna CAUSED the explosion with the attack we see. Ganon would have to leave, come back, beat her ass, take her fused shadow, and then leave again, all in the time between the explosion and whne he appears in Hyrule field.

So either A; you accept logic or;
B; we do it your way, and Ganon's obviously got supersonic speed since he apparently can't teleport. durlaugh

Looks like the castle shakes AND then explodes to me, its not like midnas blast hits and the castle explodes into pieces....it just seems to collapse as well and fall apart.

hes not got supersonic speed either, perhaps its something to do with his dimesmbodied form being able to port and then he reforms to become his typical shape, either way all we have is speculation, very weak grounds for anything, including teleport.

/Headdesk, he teleports through out the entire series, play a Zelda game. He teleports in the original 8bit LoZ, in aLttP, in ages and seasons, he teleports in WW, TP, ect. He's been teleporting since the eighties.

Stop making up baseless theories and downplaying a character you hate just because you can't get over the idea Kain is not infact the over-hyped mass of fallacies you portray him as. You've spent nine pages down playing how badly Kain gets stomped, and none of your claims have even made any sense.

You've claimed Ganon can't teleport. He has done since the eighties. You've claimed Ganon cannot call down Twilight, he GAVE Zant that power. You've claimed Ganon has no TK/TK-like-abilities, when he's exhibited these in many games as well, and can affect spiritual beings. You've claimed he can't do that in the face of a video contradicting you. You've claimed Ganon can't take souls, when in WW it's stated he can, and in TP, he can reduce an entire dimension, minus Link, to nothing but helpless souls incapable of even perciving him. You've claimed he's not durable, in the face of him surviving a thousand+ tonner stabbing him in the face with his own kryptonite/him survivng two castles being busted with him inside.

Need I go on? Your arguments are invalid, flawed, fallacious, and just down-right dumb.

BT isn't worth it. He's a fool.

I proved him wrong on this exact page and he's just ignoring it like everything else.

Yeah, I think I'm putting him on ignore, his arguments never actually achieve anything, except derailment. They're basicly inconsequential.