Originally posted by quanchi112
So it can be used for him but not against him. I tried using his punch which is strength but Thats a no go.
Great, so I have to clarify this again. I'm going to bookmark this post in future so that I don't have to repeat myself.
Using the punch is fine, as long as you're using it in the proper context.
It (Sacrifice) can be used as an example of how strong he can be with less restraint. It can be used to show that Wonder Woman went up against a high herald that was operating at above average power, and not just survived, but actually held her own at times.
It CAN'T, be used as an example of him operating at his best, or close to it, though. And it's not just because of the mental capacity thing, but that's the easiest way of using it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Black Adam wasn't a remorseless killer. He actually let MM go. I don't think Superman is pulling his punches but he isn't out to kill everyone either IMO.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Making the same comments as always, at some point you should read some comics and TRY to understand them.Let me help you out because apparently this words in English are to hard for you to understand
[b]blood·lust:
noun
1. uncontrollable desire to kill or maim others.Killing Men, Women and CHILDREN counts as "blood·lust" 😂
blood·lust:
noun
1. uncontrollable desire to kill or maim others.[/B]
If anything Black Adam was even more of an evil bastard to let J'onn run away with the horrors he just experienced that Adam committed. But really Quanny, you're arguing that Superman in this state of mind won't kill, despite this situation is different than the situation with J'onn. I see straw grasping, here. Since that's exactly what it is.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So my point was he didn't kill everyone he faded without restraint in the story. Again undeniable.
If I'm understanding you correctly, you're trying to argue Black Adam's desire to kill lessened over the course of the story. The problem with this, is unless I missed it in the OP, Superman didn't kill countless people before entering the gauntlet. And you're trying to argue one instance of him sparing someone(which you very well might be incorrectly using) out of countless Adam killed, to try and argue Superman will show restraint at some point in the gauntlet that has far fewer opponents to kill.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Speculation and ultimately I disagree since an all out Superman with a sun amp failed to defeat WW one on one let alone two Hulks with this healing factor.
I KNOW you've been shown and told the problems with this argument numerous times. I've straight-up showed you Superman was not trying to kill, wanted Doomsday to suffer first. I know you've been pointed-out the problems with Superman not being aware of who he's facing and how he was at a disadvantage there due to that. Yet you still cling to this no matter how many times you've been corrected. If you're not intentionally misleading with your arguments, then your reading comprehension is just piss-poor. So Quanny, are you dishonest, or....?
As for the topic itself.....
With knowledge of the characters before hand, I say he clears it in the first scenario. Most of the characters are below him, and honestly, him reading their bios helps him far more than them reading his helps them. He has the capacity to one-shot many of them, as well as BFR. Knowing Namor is strengthened by water would lead to heat could hurt him, and I've seen more examples of Namor being hurt by heat than resisting it well. And the only example I can recall of him resisting it well is far below what Superman is capable of, so he could go higher without even going all out. He does seem to typically fight smarter against teams, and has taken on larger, more powerful(both raw power and versatility) teams and matched or beaten them.
When it comes to World-Breaker Hulk, Superman has feats superior to this version, like busting through Soulfire Darkseid, amongst others. But the biggest thing I see, is that radiation. Some think it'll kill Superman, but it's just really potent gamma, right? The Sun produces gamma radiation. I see Superman actually absorbing and being amped by it.
As for scenario two, a bloodlusted, CIS off Superman? So basically an all-out Superman doing tactics and using his powers in ways that people use CIS to argue he doesn't win against such and such a character? He clears it with ease. Anybody who argues otherwise is either completely ignorant Superman, or a Marvel(or just Hulk) fanboy, either way have no clue what they're talking about.
So lets actually see what QUANI is trying to say here.
Starting by him agreeing with Carver's post
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...CIS off doesnt mean the character turns into killers.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree.
Carver's post was trying to corrupt my argument, notice how I never said "Because of CIS off, Superman will become a killer or kill every SINGLE character"
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
On the second scenario Superman will give little to no regard on the other characters well being, So he does not care if he kills them, maim them, cripple them, lobotomize them, burn them or drill holes at super speed on their chest.
He clears the second round.
Carver's post was then refuted by Zack's
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Fortunate for Superman he is bloodlusted too as per OP.
Which is explained in plain English by Bada's OP
Originally posted by Badabing
Round 2 - CIS is off and bloodlust is on for Superman. Think of Superman with the rage Black Adam has in WW III.
Then Quani starts grasping straws
Originally posted by quanchi112
Black Adam wasn't a remorseless killer. He actually let MM go. I don't think Superman is pulling his punches but he isn't out to kill everyone either IMO.
Which in turn answered by PR
Originally posted by -Pr-
Pretty sure Bada was talking about the rage that killed an entire country and took on an entire army of superheroes.
In those conditions, Superman should/would be willing to kill.
AGAIN, ONLY SOMEONE whose reading comprehension skills are far below average, will not understand this idea
Originally posted by Badabing
Think of Superman with the rage Black Adam has in WW III.
Quani FAILS to answer or acknowledge the MOD'S post and then continues to grasp straws and digging deeper into his poor argument
Originally posted by quanchi112
My comment about Black Adam was to prove in that storyline he wasn't trying to kill everyone in his path. Not at all. I listed an example thus backing my reasoning within that particular story.
Which no one so far said that Black Adam on that story line killed every SINGLE person he found, but is Quani's reading comprehension skills anyway
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you admit he didn't try to kill everyone. Progress.
Which No one ever said that, this is a classic Quanuver trying to corrupt someones argument
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, I get that he isn't pulling his punches but that's what I basically said from the beginning. Black Adam wasn't pulling his punches either nor did I say he did. He didn't try to kill everyone who crossed his path. Undeniable.
Again, his poor reading comprehension skills have not allowed him to understand that NO ONE said Black Adam killed every SINGLE character he found, but that Black Adam basically killed a lot of people on that arc and therefore like PR said, "Superman should/would be willing to kill."
Originally posted by quanchi112
So my point was he didn't kill everyone he faded without restraint in the story. Again undeniable.
Again a classic Quanuver, still has not been to understand the concept that Bada is giving, PR's point "Superman should/would be willing to kill." or the explanation I gave: "On the second scenario Superman will give little to no regard on the other characters well being" or the term bloodlust: uncontrollable desire to kill or maim others.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I said Superman will be all out while trying to defeat anyone in his path without focusing on death only which you maintained.
Nope, never said that, and you keep trying to corrupt my argument for a failed 3rd time
Originally posted by quanchi112
My stance hasn't changed.
Actually, it has, your ORIGINAL stance was:
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...CIS off doesnt mean the character turns into killers.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree.
So your ORIGINAL stance was that CIS off does not turn a character into a killer
then You changed it into:
Originally posted by quanchi112
Black Adam wasn't a remorseless killer. He actually let MM go. I don't think Superman is pulling his punches but he isn't out to kill everyone either IMO.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Doesn't change the fact he spared Mm. This statement only applies to that scene and afterwards. Superman not pulling his punches is the same thing Adam did at this point. My stance has still not changed.
That stance is the one that you are digging into it now and now you are far inside that you can't get out of it.
Thinking that by some miracle Superman will not kill Namor out of KINSHIP, which BTW was the reason why Black Adam did not killed Martian Manhunter, but I guess you did not know this 😆
So what now Quani?, are you going to tell me that Superman is not going to kill Namor or Hulk out of kinship? Well let me tell you that Black Adam not killing MMH was a 1 in TWO MILLION chance at least, because the population of Bialya was counted in MILLIONS with an S in end indicating PLURAL meaning at least TWO
So Black Adam letting MMH go OUT OF KINSHIP was a 1 in a two million chance, Superman is going to let Hulk or Namor go out of KINSHIP too? 😆
My stance has not changed Superman on the second scenario will give little to no regard to the other characters well being So he does not care if he kills them, maim them, cripple them, lobotomize them, burn them or drill holes at super speed on their chest.
You base your argument that for some reason Superman will not kill in a 1 in a two million odd based on some sort of kinship shared by MMH and Black Adam which is laughable and pathetic.
I am so sure about this issue that I am willing to get this debate moded and who ever loses leaves KMC banned in shame forever with a note in the closed profile that says "banned for being a b1tch and a troll", are you game?
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
So lets actually see what QUANI is trying to say here.Starting by him agreeing with Carver's post
Carver's post was trying to corrupt my argument, notice how I never said "Because of CIS off, Superman will become a killer or kill every SINGLE character"
Carver's post was then refuted by Zack's
Which is explained in plain English by Bada's OP
Then Quani starts grasping straws
Which in turn answered by PR
AGAIN, ONLY SOMEONE whose reading comprehension skills are far below average, will not understand this idea
Quani FAILS to answer or acknowledge the MOD'S post and then continues to grasp straws and digging deeper into his poor argument
Which no one so far said that Black Adam on that story line killed every SINGLE person he found, but is Quani's reading comprehension skills anyway
Which No one ever said that, this is a classic Quanuver trying to corrupt someones argument
Again, his poor reading comprehension skills have not allowed him to understand that NO ONE said Black Adam killed every SINGLE character he found, but that Black Adam basically killed a lot of people on that arc and therefore like PR said, "Superman should/would be willing to kill."
Again a classic Quanuver, still has not been to understand the concept that Bada is giving, PR's point "Superman should/would be willing to kill." or the explanation I gave: "On the second scenario Superman will give little to no regard on the other characters well being" or the term bloodlust: uncontrollable desire to kill or [b]maim
others.Nope, never said that, and you keep trying to corrupt my argument for a failed 3rd time
Actually, it has, your ORIGINAL stance was:
So your ORIGINAL stance was that CIS off does not turn a character into a killer
then You changed it into:
That stance is the one that you are digging into it now and now you are far inside that you can't get out of it.
Thinking that by some miracle Superman will not kill Namor out of KINSHIP, which BTW was the reason why Black Adam did not killed Martian Manhunter, but I guess you did not know this 😆
So what now Quani?, are you going to tell me that Superman is not going to kill Namor or Hulk out of kinship? Well let me tell you that Black Adam not killing MMH was a 1 in TWO MILLION chance at least, because the population of Bialya was counted in MILLIONS with an S in end indicating PLURAL meaning at least TWO
So Black Adam letting MMH go OUT OF KINSHIP was a 1 in a two million chance, Superman is going to let Hulk or Namor go out of KINSHIP too? 😆
My stance has not changed Superman on the second scenario will give little to no regard to the other characters well being So he does not care if he kills them, maim them, cripple them, lobotomize them, burn them or drill holes at super speed on their chest.
You base your argument that for some reason Superman will not kill in a 1 in a two million odd based on some sort of kinship shared by MMH and Black Adam which is laughable and pathetic.
I am so sure about this issue that I am willing to get this debate moded and who ever loses leaves KMC banned in shame forever with a note in the closed profile that says "banned for being a b1tch and a troll", are you game? [/B]
You better tone that down, before the mods close it.....after they take pity on Quanny's begging to end his humiliation.
Why is a thread a mod started so off topic?
Hulk and Superman are as strong as needed, more or less. This misnomer about Hulk starting off weaker has been dealt with by both PR and me. That assumption is based from handbooks and not what's been shown on panel. And this is dealt with in the CBvF rules which have been around for years:
Originally posted by Digi
Debating Format[b]Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels. [/B]
Pr, and some posters, have already addressed this point. I'll just reinforce it:
Originally posted by BadabingIt's safe to say that Superman will be full on with no remorse. So killing is definitely an option.
Round 2 - CIS is off and bloodlust is on for Superman. Think of Superman with the rage Black Adam has in WW III.
So we have both sides being wrong. Now that everything is cleared up please get back to the topic instead of spamming up the thread with inane minutia and incorrect blather.
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
I can't think of a Superman portrayal that could make this gauntlet, even with CIS off.You have to dig pretty deep to think of a Superman portrayal that can go 1v1 with Worldbreaker.
Maybe the one that went toe-to-toe with an amped Infinity Man until he was restrained by an energy construct, survived unprotected being right by the destruction of The Source Wall(which seems to be equivalent to a galaxy buster), then breaking through Soulfire Darkseid? Plus, I pointed-out in all likely hood, the energy WB Hulk emitted will just amp Superman.
