Originally posted by Delta1938Black Adam let him go due to their friendship. He wasn't trying to psychologically screw with him at that point. Quit being dishonest with me. Mits bad enough you do so to yourself but don't drag me into your affairs.
If anything Black Adam was even more of an evil bastard to let J'onn run away with the horrors he just experienced that Adam committed. But really Quanny, you're arguing that Superman in this state of mind won't kill, despite this situation is different than the situation with J'onn. I see straw grasping, here. Since that's exactly what it is.If I'm understanding you correctly, you're trying to argue Black Adam's desire to kill lessened over the course of the story. The problem with this, is unless I missed it in the OP, Superman didn't kill countless people before entering the gauntlet. And you're trying to argue one instance of him sparing someone(which you very well might be incorrectly using) out of countless Adam killed, to try and argue Superman will show restraint at some point in the gauntlet that has far fewer opponents to kill.
I KNOW you've been shown and told the problems with this argument numerous times. I've straight-up showed you Superman was not trying to kill, wanted Doomsday to suffer first. I know you've been pointed-out the problems with Superman not being aware of who he's facing and how he was at a disadvantage there due to that. Yet you still cling to this no matter how many times you've been corrected. If you're not intentionally misleading with your arguments, then your reading comprehension is just piss-poor. So Quanny, are you dishonest, or....?
As for the topic itself.....
With knowledge of the characters before hand, I say he clears it in the first scenario. Most of the characters are below him, and honestly, him reading their bios helps him far more than them reading his helps them. He has the capacity to one-shot many of them, as well as BFR. Knowing Namor is strengthened by water would lead to heat could hurt him, and I've seen more examples of Namor being hurt by heat than resisting it well. And the only example I can recall of him resisting it well is far below what Superman is capable of, so he could go higher without even going all out. He does seem to typically fight smarter against teams, and has taken on larger, more powerful(both raw power and versatility) teams and matched or beaten them.
When it comes to World-Breaker Hulk, Superman has feats superior to this version, like busting through Soulfire Darkseid, amongst others. But the biggest thing I see, is that radiation. Some think it'll kill Superman, but it's just really potent gamma, right? The Sun produces gamma radiation. I see Superman actually absorbing and being amped by it.
As for scenario two, a bloodlusted, CIS off Superman? So basically an all-out Superman doing tactics and using his powers in ways that people use CIS to argue he doesn't win against such and such a character? He clears it with ease. Anybody who argues otherwise is either completely ignorant Superman, or a Marvel(or just Hulk) fanboy, either way have no clue what they're talking about.
No, I am saying he didn't pull his punches in combat. He was trying to beat everyone in his path. He wasn't holding back just like I said Superman wouldn't hold back. It is the same thing. When did I say Superman would spare his combatants similarly to the interaction with Black Adam and the MM ? I didn't. Learn from me, sport.
He still punched as hard as he could. That was the point but it isn't up for debate anyways so I won't be responding again. Your insults are petty and lack a sting.
Stops at both Hulks at four IMO.
Too much to overcome IMO.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElCIs off doesn't mean a character turns into a killer that is undeniably true. I agreed with that basic statement which doesn't mean it is the same idea for this thread.
So lets actually see what QUANI is trying to say here.Starting by him agreeing with Carver's post
Carver's post was trying to corrupt my argument, notice how I never said "Because of CIS off, Superman will become a killer or kill every SINGLE character"
Carver's post was then refuted by Zack's
Which is explained in plain English by Bada's OP
Then Quani starts grasping straws
Which in turn answered by PR
AGAIN, ONLY SOMEONE whose reading comprehension skills are far below average, will not understand this idea
Quani FAILS to answer or acknowledge the MOD'S post and then continues to grasp straws and digging deeper into his poor argument
Which no one so far said that Black Adam on that story line killed every SINGLE person he found, but is Quani's reading comprehension skills anyway
Which No one ever said that, this is a classic Quanuver trying to corrupt someones argument
Again, his poor reading comprehension skills have not allowed him to understand that NO ONE said Black Adam killed every SINGLE character he found, but that Black Adam basically killed a lot of people on that arc and therefore like PR said, "Superman should/would be willing to kill."
Again a classic Quanuver, still has not been to understand the concept that Bada is giving, PR's point "Superman should/would be willing to kill." or the explanation I gave: "On the second scenario Superman will give little to no regard on the other characters well being" or the term bloodlust: uncontrollable desire to kill or [b]maim
others.Nope, never said that, and you keep trying to corrupt my argument for a failed 3rd time
Actually, it has, your ORIGINAL stance was:
So your ORIGINAL stance was that CIS off does not turn a character into a killer
then You changed it into:
That stance is the one that you are digging into it now and now you are far inside that you can't get out of it.
Thinking that by some miracle Superman will not kill Namor out of KINSHIP, which BTW was the reason why Black Adam did not killed Martian Manhunter, but I guess you did not know this 😆
So what now Quani?, are you going to tell me that Superman is not going to kill Namor or Hulk out of kinship? Well let me tell you that Black Adam not killing MMH was a 1 in TWO MILLION chance at least, because the population of Bialya was counted in MILLIONS with an S in end indicating PLURAL meaning at least TWO
So Black Adam letting MMH go OUT OF KINSHIP was a 1 in a two million chance, Superman is going to let Hulk or Namor go out of KINSHIP too? 😆
My stance has not changed Superman on the second scenario will give little to no regard to the other characters well being So he does not care if he kills them, maim them, cripple them, lobotomize them, burn them or drill holes at super speed on their chest.
You base your argument that for some reason Superman will not kill in a 1 in a two million odd based on some sort of kinship shared by MMH and Black Adam which is laughable and pathetic.
I am so sure about this issue that I am willing to get this debate moded and who ever loses leaves KMC banned in shame forever with a note in the closed profile that says "banned for being a b1tch and a troll", are you game? [/B]
Black Adam in his story wasn't trying to kill everyone in his path. Once he started engaging he didn't pull his punches and did everything in his power to put down those in front of him. I argued Superman did that from the get go.
Your insults are lame like your English.
Superman doesn't hold back just like Black Adam doesn't hold back. Same thing, sport.
You conceded the point. I accepted. 🙂
I said Superman wouldn't hold back. When someone hits you as hard as they can people can die. Again, I have always maintained as much so I am still right where I started.
Superman will put people down while going all out. I never disputed this. Calm down and compose yourself.
That statement was only in relation to that statement. Cis off in and of itself doesn't turn characters into killers. That is true.
Black Adam was not a completely remorseless killed otherwise he wouldn't have spared MM. He wasn't going to give him a second pass. That again is undeniable.
When did I ever say Superman would pull his punches against Namor ? Never did. 😄
The end of yours is a rant which has nothing to do with the debate itself. I see him going down to the pair of Hulks, 10/10. Too much for him.
Most boards agree Hulk at his best is beyond Superman nowadays. Things have changed.
🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
Black Adam let him go due to their friendship. He wasn't trying to psychologically screw with him at that point. Quit being dishonest with me. Mits bad enough you do so to yourself but don't drag me into your affairs.No, I am saying he didn't pull his punches in combat. He was trying to beat everyone in his path. He wasn't holding back just like I said Superman wouldn't hold back. It is the same thing. When did I say Superman would spare his combatants similarly to the interaction with Black Adam and the MM ? I didn't. Learn from me, sport.
He still punched as hard as he could. That was the point but it isn't up for debate anyways so I won't be responding again. Your insults are petty and lack a sting.
Stops at both Hulks at four IMO.
Too much to overcome IMO.
I wasn't being dishonest, I was pointing-out how it'd be a lot more evil. And you were trying to justify your argument Superman wouldn't kill by citing something that has no relevance to Superman facing strangers.
Your argument has changed after your poor reading comprehension was exposed. Now you're arguing technicalities to save face. Just man-up and admit your error.
And I make no insult. You're either dishonest, you have horrible reading comprehension, or both. Which is it Quan? You citing the SACRIFICE fight to this day after being corrected on it numerous times has painted you in a corner.
And your opinion is the same opinion that didn't realize bloodlust was on and thought Doomsday had his "bacteria expunged" by Imperiex Prime.
EDIT: hahah So much wrong with Quanny's response to Rao in general, but this one particularly got me laughing.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Most boards agree Hulk at his best is beyond Superman nowadays. Things have changed.🙂
He's proud he's using the Appeal To Popularity Fallacy.
Originally posted by Delta1938Yes, you were since that wasn't why he did what he did. You always try to put spins on things.
I wasn't being dishonest, I was pointing-out how it'd be a lot more evil. And you were trying to justify your argument Superman wouldn't kill by citing something that has no relevance to Superman facing strangers.Your argument has changed after your poor reading comprehension was exposed. Now you're arguing technicalities to save face. Just man-up and admit your error.
And I make no insult. You're either dishonest, you have horrible reading comprehension, or both. Which is it Quan? You citing the SACRIFICE fight to this day after being corrected on it numerous times has painted you in a corner.
And your opinion is the same opinion that didn't realize bloodlust was on and thought Doomsday had his "bacteria expunged" by Imperiex Prime.
My comments were only in reference to the story itself not Superman facing strangers in this thread. 🙂
No, my stance has never changed. You and the other guy (can't remember his name) have misinterpreted my stance from the get go.
I referenced Sacrifice and you responded to post prior to being told that. No, I'm not.
I'm at a loss for words for your inability to understand both my position and my points.
Stay on topic here. 🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, you were since that wasn't why he did what he did. You always try to put spins on things.
Nope, simply pointing-out one of the flaws in your argument.
Originally posted by quanchi112
My comments were only in reference to the story itself not Superman facing strangers in this thread. 🙂No, my stance has never changed. You and the other guy (can't remember his name) have misinterpreted my stance from the get go.
More straw grasping. Just admit your error. Only the dumb, or those unfamiliar with you are going to buy your lies.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I referenced Sacrifice and you responded to post prior to being told that. No, I'm not.
No. You've been corrected on the error of using SACRIFICE the way you do by myself and others. So, what is it Quanny? Poor reading comprehension, dishonesty, or both? The fact that you fail to answer proves me right.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm at a loss for words for your inability to understand both my position and my points.Stay on topic here. 🙂
It's relevant to the topic. 🙂 See? I can hit the smilie icon too. Or did you type it out?
Originally posted by Delta1938There were no flaws just misinterpretations on your end.
Nope, simply pointing-out one of the flaws in your argument.More straw grasping. Just admit your error. Only the dumb, or those unfamiliar with you are going to buy your lies.
No. You've been corrected on the error of using SACRIFICE the way you do by myself and others. So, what is it Quanny? Poor reading comprehension, dishonesty, or both? The fact that you fail to answer proves me right.
It's relevant to the topic. 🙂 See? I can hit the smilie icon too. Or did you type it out?
I said Superman wouldn't hold back. That's exactly how he is fighting in this thread along with angry. I'm right as rain.
I stand by my opinion and disagree with yours. I can't go over a mod though so I'll leave it alone.
Hulks win.
🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
There were no flaws just misinterpretations on your end.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I said Superman wouldn't hold back. That's exactly how he is fighting in this thread along with angry. I'm right as rain.
So, either you're STILL not manning-up and admitting your error, or you're doing such complex mental gymnastics you actually believe it. Neither is good for you.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I stand by my opinion and disagree with yours. I can't go over a mod though so I'll leave it alone.
Still either poor reading comprehension, dishonesty, or both, and not manning-up to answer the question. You're so lucky a mod gave you an excuse.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulks win.🙂
He wins as much as this guy did at the time.
Originally posted by Delta1938You misinterpreted.So, either you're STILL not manning-up and admitting your error, or you're doing such complex mental gymnastics you actually believe it. Neither is good for you.
Still either poor reading comprehension, dishonesty, or both, and not manning-up to answer the question. You're so lucky a mod gave you an excuse.
He wins as much as this guy did at the time.
Nothing I said was wrong. Your obsession with it is kind of odd.
You're lucky I can't get into it.
That is what is going to happen to Superman when Hulk gets a hold of his face.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You misinterpreted.Nothing I said was wrong. Your obsession with it is kind of odd.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You're lucky I can't get into it.
You might believe it. Doesn't mean it's correct.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That is what is going to happen to Superman when Hulk gets a hold of his face.
What a convincing and witty response. You've shown me the light.