Darth Sidious (Youthful prime) Vs. Luke Skywalker (At his most powerful)

This is Darth Sidious from post DE, however he has his physical form restored to its youthful prime, while still retaining all of his post date knowledge, skills and refined abilities.

Versus

The most powerful to date incarnation of Luke Skywalker, which I would presume would be his current incarnation.

Scenario 1: Both are in a battle Colosseum and must fight to the death, they may use all their powers and abilities, they are equipped with their saber/s.

Scenario 2: A battle of purely the force, no sabers

Scenario 3: Melee combat, each may amp their own bodies and minds with the force, but must fight with hand to hand.

Scenario 4: Ship to ship combat, they have the same ship, but whose battle meditation and strategy will prevail in this tactical battle

1. Luke wins, because he beat Sidious before when he (Luke) wasn't as powerful yet.

2. Again, Luke.

3. Even in his "youthful" prime, Palaptine is still pretty old...well, so is Luke, but Luke is stronger in the force and can use it to argument his strength. Plus, Luke probably has more experience in hand to hand combat, whereas Palpatine almost never fights like that.

4. Luke is an expert pilot, or are we talking about big, capital ship fights?

Are you sure luke actuallt "beat" sidious considering that he was empowered by leias BM along with the fact that palpatine was fooling around than him?

And sidious command of the force > lukes.

Yeah this is hard to call. The question becomes has Luke exceeded his DE-super-empowered state? I think he probably has by now, but I don't really know for sure.

Lightsabers only? Luke.
Regular fight? Luke.
Force battle? Sidious.
Space battle. Sidious (unless Sidious leaves a dovin basal next to his ship 😛).

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Space battle. Sidious (unless Sidious leaves a dovin basal next to his ship 😛).

Are you talking about a ship battle in space? When has Sidious flown anything? Does he even have any flying feats at all?

I think he meant a capital ship.

Luke could get into his X wing, fly out of his capital ship, get into the enemy capital ship, sneak through the ship and then kill Sidious.

Or Sidious could destroy Luke's capital ship.

Or...

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Luke could get into his X wing, fly out of his capital ship, get into the enemy capital ship, sneak through the ship and then kill Sidious.

Or Sidious could destroy Luke's capital ship.

Or...

hmm, Stealth-X is next to invisible, AND he can hide himself in the force. Intriguing. If the Empourer was using BM, it would be very clear WHERE he was on the ship. (his dark side presence would be very strong)

Luke might be able to put a shadow bomb right on top of his head.

Unlikely that sidious wouldn't feel it coming, but definitly plausible.

Do we know if Sidious can hide his presence or not, and use BM? If he could Luke might not be able to find him.

Originally posted by mattatom
Luke would use a Stealth X in the first scenario since this is at his prime and thats his most commonly used fighter.

True.

Are Stealth Xs literally invisible, just camouflaged or do they simply evade radar like modern day stealth fighters?

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
True.

Are Stealth Xs literally invisible, just camouflaged or do they simply evade radar like modern day stealth fighters?

A modification of the already formidable XJ3 X-wing starfighter, the StealthX had a star-flecked body of irregular, matte-black fiberplast that rendered it almost invisible against a background of stars. The third torpedo launcher had been replaced by a gravitic modulator designed to defeat mass-detectors, and its shields had been downgraded to make room for a suite of sensor negators. Even its fusial engines had been retooled to burn a special tibanna isotope, designated TibannaX, whose efflux turned dark a millisecond after fusion. The viewports utilized blast-tinting technology.

From Wookieepedia.

If they're totally invisible, then are they not more or less invincible? By their position being given away I'd assume that means that they'll see the proton torpedoes drop from some invisible thing that they'd be able to decipher as the Stealth X, but then the Stealth X could just quickly move away, and they'd be clueless again. So why not land in a star destroyer, and wait. Then Sidious w/his BM helps his troops get the edge. Luke would then reveal himself in the force. Sidious would sense him and go out to meet him, only to see...nothing. So he searches around, and then Luke comes out of nowhere and cuts him down. Why doesn't every army use Stealth X's?

How come it is implied that the gunners for the Anakin Solo SAW the Stealth X's and sh*t in their pants?

mattatom
Do we know if Sidious can hide his presence or not, and use BM?

Palpatine conducted extremely potent Sith rituals on Coruscant without alerting the Jedi to his presence. One assumes that he would be capable of using battle meditation and maintaining his anonymity.

mattatom
If he could Luke might not be able to find him.

If the Emperor doesn't want to be found, he won't be. Not by ten thousand Jedi, including Yoda and Mace Windu, and certainly not by Luke Skywalker.

Luke stomps

BruceSkywalker
Luke stomps

😐

Ashamingly enough I forgot the whole Chancellor Palpatine = Emperor. *Hangs head in shame* Yes I am going to reread the entire mythos.

mattatom
Ashamingly enough I forgot the whole Chancellor Palpatine = Emperor. *Hangs head in shame* Yes I am going to reread the entire mythos.

Well, in all fairness, they do look and act differently.

What happened? Before, everybody would say Luke wins, but now it seems like as if some new book came out that either weakened Luke or strengthened Sidious. Could it be that the days when everybody though Luke > all are ending, just like how before a long while ago everybody in this forum said that Exar could manhandle Yoda and Vader at once?

A[n] [surprisingly] insightful question, HWKA. I think we're all coming to realize that the "top dogs," so to speak are not completely untouchable or peerless in a combat scenario.

Board Walker
Scenario 1: Both are in a battle Colosseum and must fight to the death, they may use all their powers and abilities, they are equipped with their saber/s.

The reborn Emperor seems to have been somewhat out-of-practice when it comes to strict lightsaber combat. Though he is a master of Juyo, and thus a high end master of multiple forms, canon shows us that prior to the events of Dark Empire, he hadn't lifted his lightsaber against an opponent since his battle with Yoda in the Rotunda. Given the timeline for the Emperor's life, the man likely hadn't been using his lightsaber on something of an active basis since he trained Maul. The result is that he's obviously still quite lethally competent with a lightsaber, but that's a far cry from Skywalker's constant use of the weapon in life-or-death scenarios for decades. Skywalker clearly has the more practical experience and skill, if not the same level of classical training; Skywalker has a notable edge in lightsaber combat.

Not to mention the fact that Skywalker is a master of the shatterpoint charism, which would probably bring back unpleasant memories of Mace Windu.

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Scenario 2: A battle of purely the force, no sabers

The Emperor possesses a mastery of the Force that is truly unparalleled. As a Sith, he possesses the advantage in terms of a far greater arsenal of offensive Force techniques and the willingness to use them without hesitation. He has the advantage here.

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Scenario 3: Melee combat, each may amp their own bodies and minds with the force, but must fight with hand to hand.

Skywalker seems, at the very least, decently competent in melee combat, but the Emperor personally trained Maul in various martial arts. The Emperor has the advantage here.

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Scenario 4: Ship to ship combat, they have the same ship, but whose battle meditation and strategy will prevail in this tactical battle

Unless Sidious has a Destroyer, Luke obliterates him.