Darth Sidious (Youthful prime) Vs. Luke Skywalker (At his most powerful)

Luke never really seemed to be in any danger against Koro Zill though.

No, but he still struggled with him. Koro Zill must be pretty darn powerful. His force powers seem to surpass that of...well, a great majority of jedi/sith.

probably. Author's are not fond of their "then Luke owned them all easily" moments, though occasionally, they give him some of those.

Plus, we could argue that Luke was surprised by the ferocity of the lightning i guess, while Yoda had already been hit by it once...

so yeah, inconsistency.

Force Battle goes to Sidious. No doubt, he is the strongest force user to ever live
Saber fight goes to Luke. That's just my weak opinion
Regular fight goes to Sidious

one thing i never thought about is, luke is more like Caedus than we gave him credit for: Being able to take all manner of abuse and continuing to fight.

We looked at the downside of him being repeatedly injured in fights, but the upside is it proves his durability.

...what? I don't have the Dark Empire comics, so I really can't make a claim, but I thought that it was established that Luke by NJO > DE Sidious.

No, DE sidious > Njo luke as far as command of the force and force mastery goes.

Yeah, Luke has done some pretty awesome stuff, but the Force Storms and mind controlling half of Coruscant is UP THERE.

And mind raping millions of coruscant citizens to forget they ever saw the lusankya.

Sidious has demonstrated far more destructive powers with the force.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Yeah, Luke has done some pretty awesome stuff, but the Force Storms and mind controlling half of Coruscant is UP THERE.

As Palpatine himself describes the Force Storm:

"When the Force is sensed and moved by emotion, from the very centre of the body, and meditated from the lower vital centers of the being, it acts with the destructive power of a storm, and the savagery of a beast.

I have learned to meditate Anger and Will with clarity and precision, and I have learned to open the hidden reservoirs of dark side Power.

Anger concentrated by Will in the vital center of the body creates a portal through which vast energies are released-the energies of the dark side of the Force." – The Essential Guide to the Force, Pg 179.

It's not entirely a reflection of Palpatine's command of the Force as its execution is largely reliant on an organised procedure that directs the Force in a very specific manner, that indirectly brings about the summoning of a Force Storm. It's not like Palpatine's command of the Force allows him to directly summon a wormhole; all that he directly does is controls the movement of the Force around his body; the summoning of the Force Storm is achieved indirectly through the strict procedure. It better fits the description of ritual than anything else (and before somebody comes along "reminding" me that Palpatine can summon them with a mere though, a ritual isn't defined by how long it takes but how organised its execution is).

When did he mind control half of Coruscant?

In the same instance Wovl mentioned with the Lusankya. As far as the Force Storms, is it that much different than Force lightning? Palpatine isn't summoning the energy from within himself, he is getting it from the Force. Ritual or not, does it matter?

That wasn't ever proven though was it? I recall members here speculating about it a while back.

The difference between the Force Storm and Sith Lightning is how organised the procedure is described to be and how indirect the execution is. Force lightning is presumably more direct and straight forward; we see Force Users instinctively use it and some master it in a matter of moments.

You're an idiot Noobaris, especially with the way you try to spin things.

I have learned to meditate Anger and Will with clarity and precision, and I have learned to open the hidden reservoirs of dark side Power.

That he describes the dark side power he is accessing through the technique as "hidden reservoirs" would indicate that he's accessing something he wouldn't otherwise have access to.

Originally posted by XER
I have learned to meditate Anger and Will with clarity and precision, and I have learned to open the [b]hidden reservoirs of dark side Power.

That he describes the dark side power he is accessing through the technique as "hidden reservoirs" would indicate that he's accessing something he wouldn't otherwise have access to. [/B]

Great. Which he's been the only one to do that in the entire SW mythos. More proof that he's the most powerful. Now..Stop boring me.

1. He's not. Freedon Nadd has been confirmed to be able to perform the attack.

2. That he cannot summon them directly but has to perform an organised action to gain access to "hidden reservoirs of dark side power" would indicate that it's not a reflection of his regular ability with the Force.

3. Reported for the Ab Homen attacks.

Originally posted by XER
1. He's not. Freedon Nadd has been confirmed to be able to perform the attack.

2. That he cannot summon them directly but has to perform an organised action to gain access to "hidden reservoirs of dark side power" would indicate that it's not a reflection of his regular ability with the Force.

3. Reported for the Ab Homen attacks.

1. No.

2. No

3. Ab homen? Why would you even bother reporting me? All it does is alert Rex to your presence and earn you a ban? You really ARE this dumb aren't you Noobaris?

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
2. No

Prove it.

No. When YOU go into a debate, you automatically lose. I don't have to prove a single thing yet I already win. See how easy that is?

Palpatine confirms in the Book of Anger that to summon a Force Storm "requires mere thought or inclination."

The fact that the power stems from anger, like all manifestations of the dark side, does not mean that it is "ritualistic in nature" or any different from the steps required to conjure street-grade Force lightning.

Nebaris's theory has been debunked; we do not tolerate spin doctoring here. So do as REX directs and ignore him.