Darth Sidious (Youthful prime) Vs. Luke Skywalker (At his most powerful)

Darth_Glentract
In the same instance Wovl mentioned with the Lusankya. As far as the Force Storms, is it that much different than Force lightning? Palpatine isn't summoning the energy from within himself, he is getting it from the Force. Ritual or not, does it matter?

Damn, you already covered this for me. Yes to all cases and Palpatine is confirmed to have used his mindfogging powers to conceal Lusankya in the New Essential Guide to Characters.

Originally posted by Gideon
Palpatine confirms in the Book of Anger that to summon a Force Storm "requires mere thought or inclination."

The fact that the power stems from anger, like all manifestations of the dark side, does not mean that it is "ritualistic in nature" or any different from the steps required to conjure street-grade Force lightning.

It's not entirely a reflection of Palpatine's command of the Force as its execution is largely reliant on an organised procedure that directs the Force in a very specific manner, that indirectly brings about the summoning of a Force Storm. It's not like Palpatine's command of the Force allows him to directly summon a wormhole; all that he directly does is controls the movement of the Force around his body; the summoning of the Force Storm is achieved indirectly through the strict procedure. It better fits the description of ritual than anything else (and before somebody comes along "reminding" me that Palpatine can summon them with a mere though, a ritual isn't defined by how long it takes but how organised its execution is).

*looks for any mentions of anger in there*

BTW, wouldn't ignoring me prevent you from reading through my posts and following me into the comic book forum? 😂 (oh that's right I saw you)

Good point. Noobaris is back on ignore and Rex isn't doing his job.

Dr McBeefington
Good point. Noobaris is back on ignore and Rex isn't doing his job.

I've been telling REXXX for years to give me Modship...

The reign of terror would begin.

😐

Originally posted by Gideon
I've been telling REXXX for years to give me Modship...

The reign of terror would begin.

😐

That wouldn't work because you act with your hormones, like a girl..

Dr McBeefington
That wouldn't work because you act with your hormones, like a girl..

Nonsense.

I work with logic and awesomeness, like an awesomely logical girl.

Dark Empire #6 endnotes:

"The key to Luke's turning is the minute when he and Leia realize the Emperor is no longer defined be his physical form, but has become a chaotic nexus of dark side energies that swell and burst open the fabric of space, tearing apart everything in the vicinity, human and machine".

Also Palpatine describes this power as his full potency.This technique was within Palpatine's own power. One must have intense raw power to summon it, and incredible mastery to control it.

I'd be safe from Gideon's modshipness, he needs me!

Gideon, we've proved that you're a terrible moderator. Conclusively.

We've also proved that THE MAW > Rokf by like a lot.

Originally posted by Gideon
I've been telling REXXX for years to give me Modship...

The reign of terror would begin.

😐

The problem is that, although you are a very good debater, you would probably instantly perm ban some people (me) without any good reason...I mean, come on: you think that my debating sucks, but just because you think that I'm a bad debater doesn't mean that I should be banned. I actually have to do something MAJOR that wrong, and should still be warned for it, which you wouldn't do. You'd just ban anyone that insults Sidious.

Also: Anyone that disagrees with him.

Or tells a bad joke.

Or is not fellating him at the moment.

Or is strictly rational.

Or disagrees with him.

Or is banging his gf.

So... everybody?

That was funny.

Also:

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Or is strictly rational.

Ah, memories.

I see that you understood that reference!

HeWhoKnowsAll
The problem is that, although you are a very good debater manifestation of perfection, you would probably instantly perm ban some people (me) without any good reason...I mean, come on: you think that my debating sucks, but just because you think that I'm a bad debater doesn't mean that I should be banned. I actually have to do something MAJOR that wrong, and should still be warned for it, which you wouldn't do. You'd just ban anyone that insults Sidious.

Prove all of that.

Now.

Nemesis
Also: Anyone that disagrees with him.

They tend to be wrong.

Repeat offenders are clearly trolls.

Nemesis
Or tells a bad joke.

Comedy is an art to be cherished, not abused.

Nemesis
Or is not fellating him at the moment.

Everyone fellates me at all moments!

Nemesis
Or is strictly rational.

If you're referring to the religious incident, Faunus agreed that I was being a prick, but he also agreed that you were thoroughly trapped and cannot disprove the existence of a higher power, since your comprehension is painfully limited in comparison to an omniscient deity. Meaning I win, you lose, and you completely deserved the humiliation at my hands, fool.

Otherwise, you'd beat me in all our debates, but you've never won against me. Either because you're unable to make your point or because you comport yourself with my perspective. In either case, if you fancy yourself a rational perspective, so must I be.

I still win. You still lose.

*Maniacal laughter*

Nemesis
Or disagrees with him.

no

DS
Or is banging his gf.

The best part about college.

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you were thoroughly trapped and cannot disprove the existence of a higher power, since your comprehension is painfully limited in comparison to an omniscient deity.

I never said I could, and if I did say I could then I was mistaken. The point was that I didn't need to and demanding such is not rational. That you thought it was makes you antirational.

Did you even read the Dawkins scale I typed up?

Ahh, memories.

Wait, how can you disprove the existence of a higher power? There are a lot of things you can't disprove, does that mean they are real?

Slash_KMC
Wait, how can you disprove the existence of a higher power? There are a lot of things you can't disprove, does that mean they are real?

I never contended that I could prove or disprove the existence of a higher power (unlike Nemesis).

While I may not be as brilliant as our resident child genius, I am [far] cleverer and wiser.

Apparently so:

Gideon
[quote]All this is to say that while DS isn't providing spectacular heaps of evidence to support the existence of a god, he has you in one aspect: you will never be able to prove that there isn't.

The contention of Judeo-Christians, and Darth Sexy and myself, is that there is a God.
[...]
But if your contention is to disprove or state conclusively that there isn't a god, you are doomed to failure.

Me
It is a common misconception that atheism is the assertion that there is no God. It is incredibly easy to miss the distinction, and it is sometimes easier to accept the cultural misconception simply for the easy shorthand it provides. But. Atheism is not the assertion that there is no god. Atheism is the lack of belief in a god. The difference is that while Theism professes a belief, atheism does not. Atheism isn't the opposite end of the spectrum. It leaves the spectrum entirely. Atheism simply says that there is no reason to believe in a god.

My contention is that there is no evidence suggesting the existence of a god. Ergo, we cannot act as though there is a god.

Edited for emphasis in light of Gideonz liez.