Originally posted by HewhoknowsallI already told you, the evidence that your an idiot is literally written all over the place, so i don't see the point of actually needing to prove your an idiot when your already an established and an accomplished moron.
@WolverineYou claim that I'm an idiot. So PROVE IT! Respond to my arguments and show me how idiotic they are.
Asking me to prove your an idiot already shows your an idiot.
Originally posted by Raptor 7789
Anyway I say 501st wins because according to Wookiepedia the 501st didn't need vader's help to take out the jedi.Let's narrow it down a bit. It's about 5-10 clones vs one Jedi. It could go either way, but I'd lean towards the clones winning.
Well actually in this scenario it's like 50 clones vs one jedi.
But this isn't just one battle, it's a war, so the jedi can wage guerrilla warfare and stuff like that.
The OJO would wtf pwn the 501st though.
Sorry to "bump" an "old" thread (although it isn't THAT old), but just to respond to Advent's claim that only form V users can reflect blaster bolts back at their attackers:
In TPM, both Qui Gon and Obi Wan, ataru users, are shown reflecting bolts back at their attackers.
In ROTS, Obi Wan, a Soresu user, can be seen reflecting back bolts.
In I, Jedi, Corran was told by Kam that they'd soon start learning to reflect bolts back at the droids instead of just blocking them. This was at a time where the specifics of Form V weren't known by the NJO.
Originally posted by Advent
Are you being intentionally dense? I never said they weren't trained for deflection,[quote]
Originally posted by Advent
Another point is that most Jedi aren't trained for the reflection or redirection of blaster bolts, so they certainly aren't at an advantage as a whole in personal combat against the 501st.
Deflection is certainly different than reflection or redirecting the bolt back towards the gun user. And Jedi are not trained traditionally for redirection. Meaning they have no means of ranged attacks if the clones maintain a distance between themselves.[/quote]
I'm enacting a second "LID" order. plz let it die
I don't get it...
Advent said that "they (most jedi) have NO means of ranged attacks if the clones maintain a distance between themselves." And earlier she said that it was ONLY Form 5 users that were able to reflect back shots.
I disproved it:
In TPM, both Qui Gon and Obi Wan, ataru users, are shown reflecting bolts back at their attackers.
In ROTS, Obi Wan, a Soresu user, can be seen reflecting back bolts.
In I, Jedi, Corran was told by Kam that they'd soon start learning to reflect bolts back at the droids instead of just blocking them. This was at a time where the specifics of Form V weren't known by the NJO.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I've never known someone to be so obsessed with being right and approved of.
Funny how countering a claim by using loads of valid, indisputable G canon/C canon evidence that clearly contradicts the earlier claim is met with illogical, unsupported "claims".
Disproving a point makes one "obsessed" with being right? Then everybody here that debates is obsessed with being right!!!!
Oh, and after thinking it over more the jedi would have a VERY hard time with this. Maybe even lose. It could go either way.
@Red Nemesis (who I'm pretty sure was sarcastic when he said "please"😉 and Darth Subjekt:
Originally posted by Advent
Another point is that most Jedi aren't trained for the reflection or redirection of blaster bolts, so they certainly aren't at an advantage as a whole in personal combat against the 501st.
Originally posted by AdventDeflection is certainly different than reflection or redirecting the bolt back towards the gun user. And Jedi are [b]not
trained traditionally for redirection. Meaning they have no means of ranged attacks if the clones maintain a distance between themselves.[/B]
These posts made by Advent all claim that most jedi can't reflect blaster bolts. Well:
In TPM, both Qui Gon and Obi Wan, ataru users, are shown reflecting bolts back at their attackers.
In ROTS, Obi Wan, a Soresu user, can be seen reflecting back bolts.
In I, Jedi, Corran was told by Kam that they'd soon start learning to reflect bolts back at the droids instead of just blocking them. This was at a time where the specifics of Form V weren't known by the NJO.
Originally posted by AdventAccording to the FightSaber article in SW Insider 62, Jedi are not traditionally trained for the reflection of blaster bolts, this requires a specialization, such as with Form V/Djem So. My point stands: the majority do not have access to a ranged offensive or a direct counter to one.
Now I'm interested in hearing Advent's response...but she probably won't.
To the Jedi of the ancient Republic who developed and employed the classical Form V, Shien, the form was known as the Perseverance Form. Shien was described as being well adapted to guarding against blaster fire... Shien was desgine dto defend against blasterfire primarily thats the point she was trying to get across. If she meant elsewise she musta been having a bad day :/ She's been a stunning combatant since her entrance here.
Form II: Makashi "Way of the Ysalamir" or "Contention Form"
Form II represents the ultimate refinement of lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat. Masters of Makashi develop unique offenses and defenses and train studiously against having their sabers taken or damaged.
Form III: Soresu "Way of the Mynock" or "Resilience Form"
Form III was first developed in response to the advancement of blaster technology in the galaxy. Soresu's emphasis on tight, efficient movements that expose very minimal target areas, make it the most defensive and passive of the seven forms.
Form IV: Ataru "Way of the Hawk-Bat" or "Aggression Form"
Form IV is the most acrobatic of all the forms and requires a Jedi to first master the Force Run, Jump, and Spin abilities. By incorporating all the Force powers that allow a Jedi to exceed standard norms of physical abilities, Jedi may resemble nothing less than a blur when using this style.
Form V: Shien / Djem So "Way of the Krayt Dragon" or "Perseverance Form"
Form V was also created in response to the advancement and frequency of blaster use in the galaxy. Unlike the strictly defensive style Soresu, Shien exploits the ability of a lightsaber to block blaster bolts and deflect them back at an opponent in a counter-attack maneuver.
It seems that even Advent can mistake a word or two at times. I must say that these descriptions have been updated since the last time I looked at them and are far different. In any case, Soresu was created for that purpose and given a Jedi and his pre-cog, I see no reason why he wouldn't be able to deflect bolts back at the user.
However, they still have the force and could wipe them out with that. "Don't be so proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force."